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Honda ST1300 Section => Ask A Tech about your Honda ST1300 => Topic started by: Brett on August 24, 2014, 10:52:45 AM
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Hello, I have a 2010 ST1300 and after about an hour of riding the heat gets so bad that my inner thighs get burnt. I wear Kevlar jeans but still am having an issue.
Has anyone else had this issue and how have you fixed it.
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If you did a search you will see that this is a common issue with this model. You will also find the ways that members have dealt with it with more or less success.
Regards,
A.
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When I was doing my research before buying an ST1300 the heat issue was the most common issued raised, (Well that and Pan Weave. Er ....and the weight and the top heaviness and the difficulty parking) but it appears to be very idiosyncratic
My 2004 ST1300 gets warm but not uncomfortably so even on a 40 deg day and yet I know another guy who has the same problem you do. Maybe it is a year model thing because his is a 2007 I think.
On the face of it there should be no reason why one bike would run hotter than an identical bike but, assuming the cooling system is ok, could it be some engines are running leaner and so hotter than others? A smarter guy than me would have to answer that.
As an aside I have been looking at buying a Triumph Bonneville and you can tell which ones have had the air injection removed by looking at the pipes. The ones still with air injection have deeply blued pipes from the extra heat the air injection generates. If the ST's have air injection maybe the extra heat is due to a malfunction in that. Again the tech guys would need to answer that.
The only other thing I can think of is something is disturbing the airflow under the fairing and deflecting to heat to unwanted areas. I have been running my bike without the lower fairings while I sort out another problem and the bike definitely runs cooler without them.
(It would have to, the pipes are exposed. It looks very cool I might add! If only the pipes were chromed!! )
It only takes five minutes to take the lower fairings off why not give it a go and see if it solves the problem. Then you will know it is an airflow thing.
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One of the simplest ways of minimising the heat problem is to fit a sheepskin seat cover. It will improve the seal between the seat and the tank, and reduce the hot air escaping from under the bodywork to places it's not needed.
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here we go, I forget who posted this up earlier, so whoever did thank you
http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/ (http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/)
If anyone in Brissy or surrounds is going to tackle this project, please let me know :popcorn
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One of the simplest ways of minimising the heat problem is to fit a sheepskin seat cover. It will improve the seal between the seat and the tank, and reduce the hot air escaping from under the bodywork to places it's not needed.
Do you think it has something to do with the seat position? mine is in the lowest maybe the higher positions allow the heat to escape
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Strange but I never feel and heat when ridingunless I stop at traffic lights on hot days (eg 40 or so)
Early model though 2003 no abs, and additional side fairings fitted
Rally
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Strange but I never feel and heat when ridingunless I stop at traffic lights on hot days (eg 40 or so)
Early model though 2003 no abs, and additional side fairings fitted
Rally
Same. Mine is 2004 model so maybe the early bikes don't have the problem as much. That would make an interesting survey. Age of bike vs if heat is a problem or not. It may indicate if the issue is associated with the age or year model of the bike. Mine also has the additional wind deflectors.
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I have a sheepskin on my 2009 ST13. It still gets very toasty around the calfs. I use my highway pegs when out of the traffic to reduce the problem. One simply cannot wear shorts (unwise for other safety reasons anyway).
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I have a sheepskin on my 2009 ST13. It still gets very toasty around the calfs. I use my highway pegs when out of the traffic to reduce the problem. One simply cannot wear shorts (unwise for other safety reasons anyway).
Now that would be a look. Baggy shorts on highway pegs.
You know what they say Biggles. It pays to advertise!!
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Now that would be a look. Baggy shorts on highway pegs.
You know what they say Biggles. It pays to advertise!!
Dunno what it pays, but baggy shorts don't become my slender figure! :p
The highway pegs will put a draft up your legs though. Which is a minus in winter when you have to either tuck them in the boots or slip on bicycle clips.
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I have a 2004 :blu13 and have had major heat issues like yourself :eek
On a peculiarly hot ride home from Esk a couple of years ago I found the tank was so hot my legs were burning through my Kevlar jeans whenever they touched the tank :H :H :H
The issue for me was fixed with two items I highly recommend :thumbs
- Bagster tank cover (This blocked all the heat that was coming off the tank from getting to my legs :-++)
- MCL Highway Blades (Just as Biggles said, they are a great way to get airflow directed up your legs :thumbsup :runyay 8))
Anyway that was the fix for me, make sure to let us know what you find works for you :hatwave
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Well that put paid to my theory about the year model! Mine is a 2004 without heat issues.
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On an '04 here as well. They are certainly a warm bike but I have not experienced the kind of heat as previously expressed. For what it may be worth, I do have a full custom fitted sheepskin seat cover.
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Thanks guys for all your suggestions. A lot of ideas to try- some I've already tried. I might get a tank cover and see how that goes.
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Id certainly be checking the cooling system first... I can't see any reason for such heat issues between models unless something was not right....
Firstly, are both cooling fans working ? Do the cooling fans come on at the same temperature as the earlier models ( I don't have the specs, but perhaps some research might dig up something). I know that my bike (2002) doesn't have to get very hot before the fans actuate... Different types of coolant perhaps ?
I doubt whether the fuel mapping would have changed that much between models, it may vary slightly, but wouldn't be enough to make it run that hot...
I've never had any heat issues with my bike at all, thank goodness :)
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I had the bike checked, cooling system is ok. I have ordered a tank cover- hoping that will help. Thank you all for all your help. I will let you know if the tank cover works.
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Good luck mate :hatwave
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Mine is the same age as yours Shiney, and I only get warm. Weird.
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for what it is worth on my 2005 I have wind deflectors and sheep skin seat covers with seat set on lowest setting
my fuel tank is always cold to touch however in the week before Texas/Inverell on a trip to town I lost the small piece of fairing that you remove to top water
on left side now with this missing the left side of my fuel tank is heating up and while riding can feel hot air coming up along the entire length of the left side
of the tank right hand side cold as no hot air felt any where
just my observation ( new parts should be here this week so back to cold tank )
Peter
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I have an '03 model, but have never noticed any heat issue. I gather from the above discussion that the problem is coming from the tank and I have had a Bagster tank cover since soon after I bought the bike. I do remember that the bike came with some stick-on rubber pads for the tank sides, so if they were missing presumably you could heat transfer through the tank metal.
Allan
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Having just bought my 2005 ST1300, i have just returned from a short ride and my legs have been roasted with the heat from the engine. It heats up after only 5 ks and doesn't seem to cool down. HELP :H
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Having just bought my 2005 ST1300, i have just returned from a short ride and my legs have been roasted with the heat from the engine. It heats up after only 5 ks and doesn't seem to cool down. HELP :H
Have you read this whole topic through? There's not much else that can be said.
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Having just bought my 2005 ST1300, i have just returned from a short ride and my legs have been roasted with the heat from the engine. It heats up after only 5 ks and doesn't seem to cool down. HELP :H
Have you read this whole topic through? There's not much else that can be said.
only 5km seems a little odd though?
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sorry that was 15k not 5k.....Still it is unbearably hot.
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What sort od traffic were you in, and what was the ambient temperature???
Wear kevlar lined jeans, that will keep the heat off the legs..You were wearing jeans, and not shorts I hope..?
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Thanks Brock,
I was on the motorway heading south. Ambient temperature was 28c and doing 100kph. I was wearing normal denim jeans and the heat was just blasting out from the engine. The fairing in front of my legs was scorching hot.
I don't know where to start to try to alleviate the heat issue. Being in QLD it is only going to get hotter as summer progresses and i'm not looking forward to roasting each time i go for a ride. :H :blu13 :H
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Maybe you should upgrade to a ST1100? :grin :grin
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Maybe you should upgrade to a ST1100? :grin :grin
To be sure, that if and when I am in the market for an upgrade, that will be one issue on the look out for. Only go for a ride on a :H day to test pilot the bike.
Dont get any of that issue with my 1100. Go figure.................................. :wht11
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There's a thread on ST-Owners about lining the cowl with aluminium foil. It's a lot of work, but had some benefit. Another suggested fix is removing the centre (black) cowl in front of the radiator to improve airflow. Another has holes drilled in the inner cowl also for better airflow.
So it's not uncommon, but oddly, not universal.
I bought exhaust pipe bandage to try to keep the heat from coming off the pipes but a mechanic advised against it, saying it would concentrate the heat on the heads with ill effects.
So jeans and highway pegs rule. Not ideal, but manageable. Let's face it- hot days are miserable in the jackets and helmets. Maybe leave the bike in the shed when it's over 25o out if you own a hot one?
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Biggles, you of all people should know that the chances of the temp being below 25c are about the same as winning lotto. If i do that i will only get to ride for about a quarter of the year. I will certainly be warm in winter if this keeps up.. :wink1
I did read the post on the ST Owners site and it sure looks like a lot of work for varied results. I'm not overly confident about trying to dismantle the beast as yet so was hoping there was a simply remedy or that it was a problem that was easily fixed.
The pillion in a million would not be happy if i said that it was too hot and needed to change it to another bike ...FJR... Just kidding about the FJR.
Hopefully another of our learned members will be able to diagnose what can be done, if anything. Upgrade to ST1100 as Totgas suggested.
Thanks everyone.. :blu13left
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Never had a heat problem with my bike......but it was fitted with knee/leg wind deflectors from new and my first ride was from Brisbane to Tasmania in 32 degrees for a very large part of the way. I've also since added a tailored sheepskin seat cover and a Bagster, not for heat issues I should add, but for comfort and tank protection, as well as being able to fit a fixed tank bag to the Bagster. Perhaps if I rode through city traffic every day I might notice the heat from the motor, but I don't............lucky me, hey!! :grin
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Couch I like you don't really suffer from heat and my bike like yours has the deflector kit on it. Maybe that is the common denominator. It would be interesting to see if heat issues are less common on bikes fitted with deflectors.
I have foil lined my pie warmers and I think I can detect a redcution in heat inside the boxes.
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Couch I like you don't really suffer from heat and my bike like yours has the deflector kit on it. Maybe that is the common denominator. It would be interesting to see if heat issues are less common on bikes fitted with deflectors.
I have foil lined my pie warmers and I think I can detect a redcution in heat inside the boxes.
I have the wind deflectors on my ST1300 and don't have a heat problem at all
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I have the wind deflectors on my ST1300 and don't have a heat problem at all
Intuitively they would be counter-productive, if their purpose is to decrease the airflow to the rider.
It's just possible they change the airflow around the legs which would explain the difference.
Has anyone who had heat problems fitted the deflectors for whatever reason and found the heat ameliorated?
And Justin, we get cooler weather more than 3 months of the year!! I'd say the heat is a problem for me for four months, November to February. And among those, there are some quite pleasant days. I think you took a hiding like everyone last week when the hot air mob came to Brissie (the G20 gravy train) and the climate change lobby ordered up a couple of scorchers to make their point. :grin
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I just took the wind deflectors off and havent noticed any difference, though I always wear full bike gear including padded and armoured pants.
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I just took the wind deflectors off and havent noticed any difference, though I always wear full bike gear including padded and armoured pants.
Bloodman might be PMing you with an offer to buy.
I agree the heavier the pants, the better for coping with the engine heat.
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Might I ask why?
I just took the wind deflectors off and havent noticed any difference, though I always wear full bike gear including padded and armoured pants.
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The original reason for fitting them was to reduce the wind turbulence on my pillion, but she doesnt ride with me much these days. A while back I lost one of the side mirrors and although I got a replacement I would have needed to obtain the wind deflectors for that mirror to keep the bike balanced, so I removed all of the upper deflectors.
In addition I had noticed that there was more turbulence since I had them fitted and the fuel usage was higher (about 1 km/L) so I decided to remove the lower deflectors as well and see what difference it makes. I find the bike is now slightly more stable in turbulent conditions such as when behind a truck though I havent ridden enough to know how the fuel usage has changed.
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Fair enough...........I've only ever ridden with wind deflectors fitted so I can't pass comment on the difference, with or without! The turbulance experienced when travelling behind another vehicle, particularly trucks, has never worried me at all, I try to stay back a little until the opportunity to pass comes along, then I'll move forward and just go for it. :grin
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posted this on the previous page but it looks as though nobody is interested in tackling it.....bugger as I wanted to watch and see how it went
here we go, I forget who posted this up earlier, so whoever did thank you
http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/ (http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/)
If anyone in Brissy or surrounds is going to tackle this project, please let me know :popcorn
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tj189 ,
I would also like to see if someone is keen to tackle this project, even if just to see it if it makes a difference to my problems.
I went out again today, as it is a little cooler, with dririder pants on and still cooked. Starting to contemplate Biggles idea of selling .... and buying one that doesnt cook my legs.
Only as a last resort . :-[
:blu13
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tj189 ,
Starting to contemplate Biggles idea of selling .... and buying one that doesnt cook my legs.
Noooo! I didn't say that! I wouldn't!! I meant he might sell you the deflector kit to see if it improved the airflow on your bike.
It's a strange thing. I rode for 2.5 hours this morning with 29o on the temp gauge and didn't have a problem at all. It mainly gets me in traffic, especially sitting at the lights. But then I put both legs down and out and have instant relief.
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There are some plastic attachments to the underside of the mirrors. Are these deflectors ? If so maybe I should take them off !! If not then maybe it would be worthwhile buying them to see if they fix or reduce the intensity of the heat. :thumbs :blu13
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posted this on the previous page but it looks as though nobody is interested in tackling it.....bugger as I wanted to watch and see how it went
here we go, I forget who posted this up earlier, so whoever did thank you
[url]http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/[/url] ([url]http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/[/url])
If anyone in Brissy or surrounds is going to tackle this project, please let me know :popcorn
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While I don't have a 1300, I would have thought that this would be a no brainer. Haven` read through his blog it makes it clear that what he has done works....thats where I`d be .....trying it., just sayin`................................ :wht11
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Well I did a 100km on the bike today with temps hitting 40 degrees, and I had no cooking of the legs.
I have the wind deflectors and I also have a bagster tank cover on as well if that helps
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There are some plastic attachments to the underside of the mirrors. Are these deflectors ? If so maybe I should take them off !
If it's easy to get them off, then try it. Got to be easier than lining the skin of your bike with alfoil!!
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I clocked up 1157kms one day in my ride from Brisbane to Tasmania, with the temp averaging around 32 degrees most of the way, and I never noticed any heat build up in the legs, I think the wind deflectors do deflect the heat from the motor around the legs, I admit, I didn't have too many stops in traffic along the way, and I think that it could make a difference if you're stopping and starting in traffic all the time. Fortunately most of my kms are on country roads! :grin
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As most of my riding is in the City commute ( yes Townsville IS a city .... quite a big one too!)I also find the heat issue to be a little uncomfortable at times .... particularly when i am wearing my safety crocs and safety shorts! :fp :spank :whistle
But less so when i am wearing my jeans and boots.
I am not sure what the solution is for us that have the city stop start commute but would be happy for any advice for the ST11 ..... particularly pics.
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I am not sure what the solution is for us that have the city stop start commute but would be happy for any advice for the ST11 ..... particularly pic
Awww that's easy, move to Tasmania!! :grin
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/Frozenrider.jpg) (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/Frozenrider.jpg.html)
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had same issue when first purchased my st1300 2006.
I applied heat wrap to the headers with little improvement.
The best advice I can offer is:
invest in good quality FULL LENGTH boots! they will insulate your legs / shins from the heat. :thumbsup
I would NOT :-((( recommend removing the black inner fairiing covers near the radiator or the lower ones as they are positioned to increase air flow thru the radiator
and to protect your wiring and frame from road grime and splatter....
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I just took the wind deflectors off and havent noticed any difference, though I always wear full bike gear including padded and armoured pants.
Can I buy them off you. Can’t find them anywhere
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Pictures of wind deflectors