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General Category => LONG DISTANCE RIDING, Proper preparation, Safety and Tips => Topic started by: tj189 on March 30, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
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Please ask your questions here
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• All riders will be logged in and signed off on the Group Ride spreadsheet (an example is attached)
Trevor is there a link or did I miss it???
Many thanks for your efforts :thumbs
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Thanks ABE, I have deleted that part so as to not have any confusion. There will be a spreadsheet at the start and finish to log in odometer readings and signatures etc
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TJ,
Can you put the link to this post in the Expressions of interest Post?
Assuming sticking to the speed limits, I'm guessing if riding only to stop for fuel and food the anticipated arrival times to:
a: Pennant Hills 7:30 to 8:00 am
b: Gundagai 11:30 am to 12: 00 noon
c: Campbelltown 2:45 to 3:15 pm
d: Newcastle 4:30 to 5:00 pm
e: Coffs Harbour 9:00 to 10 :00 pm
Is that how you see it TJ or do you have a planned stop for a kip somewhere?
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I'm sure TJ will have a better longer reply, but my 2 bob's worth is the SS1600 allows 4 hours sleep. I always take 3 hours (did it in Dubbo enroute Ballarat). Everyone is different and needs it at different times. Some might like to split the cost of a motel room for the time.
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Thank you Gary, added the link :thumbs
Mate, in short your timings are around the mark. Each of us will ride differently so will have different times. The minimum OA for a SS1600K is approximately 74Kph, I would expect our OA to be above that, considering that we have a large amount of 110Kph speed limits. Riders will take breaks at times that suit them and their riding abilities, so there are no planned breaks where riders have to stop, it is up to the rider. I will list a range of refueling locations that will allow for riders to choose when and where they refuel. I will also list a number of Rest Areas as well. That information will come out in the package that will be sent out to riders that are confirmed on the eventual list.
TJ,
Can you put the link to this post in the Expressions of interest Post?
Assuming sticking to the speed limits, I'm guessing if riding only to stop for fuel and food the anticipated arrival times to:
a: Pennant Hills 7:30 to 8:00 am
b: Gundagai 11:30 am to 12: 00 noon
c: Campbelltown 2:45 to 3:15 pm
d: Newcastle 4:30 to 5:00 pm
e: Coffs Harbour 9:00 to 10 :00 pm
Is that how you see it TJ or do you have a planned stop for a kip somewhere?
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I would guess the Westies are not included in this?
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of course the Westies are included as are any OZSTOC rider, if you would like to come over then please feel welcome.
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I would guess the Westies are not included in this?
of course the Westies are included as are any OZSTOC rider, if you would like to come over then please feel welcome.
Had to start somewhere.....starting the ride in the middle of the highest populated portion of the OzSTOC demographic gave the best possible chance of reaching the numbers for a successful IBA SS1600k..... but rest assured this wont be the last if we can prove this a viable concept.
:beer
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Thanks TJ,
Discussed it with the wife and it looks quite possible.
Things we've thought each rider might need to consider include:
Being prepared (financially and psychologically) for emergency accommodation should a rider decide to pull out due to fatigue or breakdown.
Possibly stay in Coffs a couple of nights in advance to ensure well rested before the start in the wee hours of the morning.
Possibly plan for a couple of nights stay in Coffs afterwards to recuperate to ensure a safe trip home.
Quote from: tj189 on 30 March 2014, 13:04:21 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6640.msg75586#msg75586)<blockquote>Thank you Gary, added the link :thumbs
Mate, in short your timings are around the mark. Each of us will ride differently so will have different times. The minimum OA for a SS1600K is approximately 74Kph, I would expect our OA to be above that, considering that we have a large amount of 110Kph speed limits. Riders will take breaks at times that suit them and their riding abilities, so there are no planned breaks where riders have to stop, it is up to the rider. I will list a range of refueling locations that will allow for riders to choose when and where they refuel. I will also list a number of Rest Areas as well. That information will come out in the package that will be sent out to riders that are confirmed on the eventual list.
Quote from: Gadget (Gary) on 30 March 2014, 11:09:45 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6640.msg75575#msg75575)<blockquote>TJ,
Can you put the link to this post in the Expressions of interest Post?
Assuming sticking to the speed limits, I'm guessing if riding only to stop for fuel and food the anticipated arrival times to:
a: Pennant Hills 7:30 to 8:00 am
b: Gundagai 11:30 am to 12: 00 noon
c: Campbelltown 2:45 to 3:15 pm
d: Newcastle 4:30 to 5:00 pm
e: Coffs Harbour 9:00 to 10 :00 pm
Is that how you see it TJ or do you have a planned stop for a kip somewhere?
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We are negotiating a deal with a small Motel in Coffs Harbour in a quiet traffic free location away from the usual Friday/Saturday night party central noises......few minutes from the start location, Bowling club near by for meals, Coffee shop on the corner :wink1
Watch this space ;-*
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We are negotiating a deal with a small Motel in Coffs Harbour in a quiet traffic free location away from the usual Friday/Saturday night party central noises......few minutes from the start location, Bowling club near by for meals, Coffee shop on the corner :wink1
Watch this space ;-*
:law :law Hey. No coffee or sugar allowed... It did say so in the IBA best tips section.
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The ideas from Gary above good points, personally I will be there the day before and leave the day after.
Here is a link to an article which is posted up elsewhere on our forum regarding fatigue management, it too is worthwhile reading.... http://www.rcmedic.com/images/MotorcycleFatigue.pdf (http://www.rcmedic.com/images/MotorcycleFatigue.pdf) there is a bit in there regarding caffeine
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Probably a silly question but do you have to have done a Farride before you can do this?
I am planning on doing one before hand but just in case.
Silly question no.2 can I start in Campbelltown meet the group in Coffs and finish in Campbelltown?
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Probably a silly question but do you have to have done a Farride before you can do this?
Short answer: No, this has nothing to do with FarRiders, IBA is a completely separate organisation.
Silly question no.2 can I start in Campbelltown meet the group in Coffs and finish in Campbelltown?
For this Special event the answer is also no, you can organize your own, but it wont be an "OzSTOC IBA SS1600" event.
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Probably a silly question but do you have to have done a Farride before you can do this?
Short answer: No, this has nothing to do with FarRiders, IBA is a completely separate organisation.
Silly question no.2 can I start in Campbelltown meet the group in Coffs and finish in Campbelltown?
For this Special event the answer is also no, you can organize your own, but it wont be an "OzSTOC IBA SS1600" event.
thanks for the quick response.
I have a sister at Woolgoolga so I can make aweek of it.
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TJ,
Is certified by the IBA USA or the IBA AUS??
Cheers Buddy!
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TJ,
Is certified by the IBA USA or the IBA AUS??
Cheers Buddy!
This is certified by IBA USA.
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TJ,
Is certified by the IBA USA or the IBA AUS??
Cheers Buddy!
This is certified by IBA USA.
:thumbs
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:thumbs thanks for the quick responses Streak
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TJ, I've just re-read the IBA SaddleSore 1600K, 2000K and Bun Burner 2500K Guidelines last revised on 4 March 2014.
Firstly, I found nothing in the IBA rules concerning waivers, showing driver's licences or proof of personal injury and property damage liability insurance coverage. Did I miss these IBA requirements for a group ride or is this an OzSTOC embellishment?
I'd like to nominate for the ride though I'd like the opportunity to read the waiver before I confirm my attendance and pay the non-refundable fee.
Secondly, I did find the following two sentences in the IBA rules which seem to indicate that the riders in a group IBA ride are to travel together:
"When planning a ride, keep in mind that group rides are only as fast as the slowest person in the group (italics mine). This can extend your riding day many hours pushing you toward fatigue."
Can we check if riders in a group IBA ride are required to travel together, eg, stop at the same petrol stations, rest point(s)?
Thanks, Lionel
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will get back to you very shortly
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I was just having a yarn with Trevor and he has got considerable information direct from the IBA in regards to group IBA rides.....he is just putting it all together to post here for us all.
He is a little snowed under at the moment.....but watch this space ++
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Great questions Lionel, appreciate you taking the time to ask them. I will attempt to cover your areas of concern.
If I may the second question first, may I direct you and others to the information I posted in the EOI post regarding the following:
"A few recommendations:
• It is strongly recommended that you read the IBA Archive of Wisdom located here http://www.ironbutt.com/tech/aowprintout.cfm (http://www.ironbutt.com/tech/aowprintout.cfm)
• Read the Saddle Sore history and rules located here http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/getdocument.cfm?DocID=30 (http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/getdocument.cfm?DocID=30)
• Riders are encouraged to ride at their own pace, as opposed to riding as a single, monolithic group - it's much safer and more efficient. Riders will naturally ride in small groups (two or three riders) based upon riding style, fuel range, bladder size, etc."
you will notice the third dot point, this is a direct quote from the information given from the IBA regarding group rides (I will post you a copy of this information, it will be part of the information package that participants get, should others wish the information prior to then please request it).
Now the first question gets the same answer, and it obviously would be in the package sent out to participants, I will send this with the other information in an email to you. It is not an embellishment from OZSTOC but a requirement from the IBA.
I must admit that this was an EOI, you have done well in voicing your interest and what concerns you. Hopefully I have answered your concerns and you will shortly receive the information promised above.
would you mind checking my profile and sending me a quick email so as I can send the information please?
TJ
TJ, I've just re-read the IBA SaddleSore 1600K, 2000K and Bun Burner 2500K Guidelines last revised on 4 March 2014.
Firstly, I found nothing in the IBA rules concerning waivers, showing driver's licences or proof of personal injury and property damage liability insurance coverage. Did I miss these IBA requirements for a group ride or is this an OzSTOC embellishment?
I'd like to nominate for the ride though I'd like the opportunity to read the waiver before I confirm my attendance and pay the non-refundable fee.
Secondly, I did find the following two sentences in the IBA rules which seem to indicate that the riders in a group IBA ride are to travel together:
"When planning a ride, keep in mind that group rides are only as fast as the slowest person in the group (italics mine). This can extend your riding day many hours pushing you toward fatigue."
Can we check if riders in a group IBA ride are required to travel together, eg, stop at the same petrol stations, rest point(s)?
Thanks, Lionel
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Thanks TJ.
PM sent
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Hey Lionel,
As long as you are on the same road you are riding together. Some gaps are just a little bigger than others :whistle. Don't worry, some of us might be able to keep up with you! |-i
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:rofl
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FarRides have always been on my radar, but I've never got around to undertaking one. While I've done lots of kilometers, it's always been strings of 700km or thereabouts days, with my biggest single day being only 950km. These are baby rides compared to those undertaken by many of you.
I see this SS1600k as a significant personal challenge, am well prepared to pull out at any time if I'm not up to it, and to take advice from the more experienced LD riders. Arriving at Coffs a couple of days early is a good idea, and after cooling my heels for a couple for days, I'll be champing at the bit to get going. In the meantime, I plan on doing a couple of 1000km days as "training", to identify any shortcomings with bike, kit, body and attitude.
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Pete, I like your idea "training" as that is exactly what you are doing. LDRiding to me is a sport and I have attempt to approach it that way, started with the smaller runs, read as much as I could about this sport trying to understand what it is all about (I am still reading), trying to understand what is happening to my body and senses as I ride, learning about fatigue management, learning about my bike and a whole heap of other things.....and I am still learning.
Safe Long Distance Riding, I believe, is about the above as it is with many sports, we train, learn and understand our sport and hopefully from gaining these skills, knowledge and experience we will become better at our sport.
No FarRides on this run of ours Pete, they are done by the FarRiders group ;-*
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Pete,
Just to clarify the point, the IBA group ride, SS1600, being organised by TJ has nothing to do with FarRiders.
Similarly, FarRides that you'll see "advertised" on the FarRider Forum are not sanctioned nor certified by the IBA.
Some FarRiders, myself included, undertake both IBA rides and FarRides.
FarRides are less onerous as you can nominate for a 1,000km ride and obtain your FarRider number if the ride is completed as per the rules.
The minimum IBA ride is an SS1600 (actually 1610km).
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Thanks gents. I do understand the differences between the two quite separate orginizations, and perhaps "long distance ride" would have been a more precise term. Either way, I'm keen to do some accredited long distance riding.
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goodonya Pete, I am looking forward to catching up :thumb
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Great strategy Pete, some training will make all the difference. My suggestion would be to consider a buildup over time to develop your ride fitness for the day. That is, a slow buildup over time so you peak on the day.
When you try some longer rides keep an eye on your body. Test out some different snack foods (Oat bars and Sultanans and dried pineapple are my faves) that give you the energy you need without upsetting your stomach or having to eat fast food along the way. On single day rides I have breakfast before I leave and eat from the top box until a stop 8.30pm/9.30pm when I"ll have a plain burger and one coffee.
On your training runs take water with you so you get the feel of how much you need to drink to balance hydration and too many pit stops. The more you take with you the less time you'll need to spend ratting around servos looking for something you might like. I generally eat while refueling and paying for it.
If you are a coffee drinker go on one of your longer rides without having the morning brew, if the headache and nausea come you might need to think about weaning yourself off it before the big one (along with the alcohol and recreational drugs if yo indulge).
On your test rides see if you can develop a routine when refueling and make a mental note, or a written one, about how long each stop takes and see if you can make them quicker. Practice your routines on your short rides too. This includes getting your dockets, checking them, writing the ODO reading on them, securing them and keeping a log suitable for IBA submission. It even includes gloves, helmets, earplugs. I've seen people ride off on the last legs of long rides without their gloves. I've seen people helmet on, forgot the plugs, helmet off, "what did I take the helmet off for?", nah, helmet on, forgot the plugs, too late I'm going. The latter used to be me although I now would take the helmet off again and put the plugs in.
If you take, or are thinking of taking ibuprofen or paracetamol (I never do while I'm riding) or use it for another reason be aware of it's effects on your body. On the test rides think hard about anything on the bike or gear related that annoys you and see if you can sort it.
I have no doubt that pretty much anyone can turn up on the day and ride an ST 1770k's in 24 hours, it's really not that hard. Riding with others, in my experience, helps with fatigue because you can take turns just following along and rest the brain a bit. But getting some of these basics right will help make the big day easier and much more fun for you.
Like TJ, I treat this as a sport and I adopt the same strategies for LD riding that I do when I train for half marathons and marathons. The principles are the same. Hydration, nutrition, don't go too hard and don't waste time at drink stations, oh, and train.
There's more, but it's great to see people thinking about this stuff.
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Thanks Craig :-++ :-++ :thumb
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Thanks Wombattle, Lionel and TJ. All quite sound and relevant information, and great advice for any beginning LD rider.
I'm looking at some routes for 1000km+ "out and back" training rides from home.
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I'm considering a BP North Caboolture to Rockhampton round trip approximately 1250 km via the Bruce (but lots of road works) or 1420 km via the D'Aguilar and Burnett Hwy.
I won't necessarily do it in the 24 hour time frame, but it will provide practice at sitting in the saddle long distance an Overall Average (OA) speed.
The other one I've considered is from BP North Caboolture out to Charleville (1520 round trip) or Mitchell (1160 km Round Trip) for the long straight roads and for the endurance training.
*Edit I've just worked out a trip from BP North Caboolture to Cunamulla would be 1624 km round trip. 8)
https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/Cunnamulla+QLD/BP+North,+A1,+Burpengary+QLD+4505/@-27.4342316,147.1602552,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x6bacb7a23b537cdb:0x400eef17f20a130!2m2!1d145.6836102!2d-28.0678858!1m5!1m1!1s0x6b93f199a1bab53f:0x743e0d7847afa0e4!2m2!1d152.976733!2d-27.124015!5i1 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/dir/Cunnamulla+QLD/BP+North,+A1,+Burpengary+QLD+4505/@-27.4342316,147.1602552,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x6bacb7a23b537cdb:0x400eef17f20a130!2m2!1d145.6836102!2d-28.0678858!1m5!1m1!1s0x6b93f199a1bab53f:0x743e0d7847afa0e4!2m2!1d152.976733!2d-27.124015!5i1)
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Consider that LDriding is a sport.....a sports person dosnt train for a 10 k swim by going out and swimming 10k's.......over a period they will do a few 3k's then a 5k then upto a 8k then rest for some days before the event with the right sustenance and stretching.
Working on techniques that streamline fuel and food stops is also equally important.
:beer
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Does that mean we can place some bets on who will win?
Dont think so, Marcus for two reasons,
1. Its not a competition (except rider against his/her self)
2. They are all winners.
But then again, if you are one of those that will bet on one fly crawling up a wall, then go for it. Some one somewhere will give you odds for it.. o:) o:) o:)
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Can we see who will be the first "Winner" then? :nahnah
No one will ever admit to that, in the spirit of LD riding. The IBA actively discourages record breaking distance/times.
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Gary,
I've just returned home after completing a few IBA rides in SA/NT. My biggest worry on these long rides is the possibility of hitting an animal on or crossing the road at night.
On one ride a couple of years ago I hit a roo at 10am near Mitchell so you always have to be on the look out.
Your round trip, Caboolture to Cunamulla, will require riding at night therefore plan your start time to minimise riding in the dark. Perhaps ride out to Cunamulla, stay overnight, then ride back the next day will be a good training run.
Also an SS1600 requires you to complete a minimum of 1610 kms.
cheers,
Lionel
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:dred11
:think1 Does anyone want to share the cost of a room Fri Sat nites.? Let me know.
I dont snore and hope you dont either :eek :fp :nahnah