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Honda ST1100 Section => Oils, Oil Filters & Servicing ST1100 => Topic started by: Gavo on October 11, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
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Does any body use these reusable oil filters much like the air filters like K&N
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-ST1300-03-11-REUSABLE-OIL-FILTER-PCRACING-/310345263855?pt=Apparel_Merchandise&hash=item484204eaef
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Looks good until you look at the $220 postal fee, Thats a lot of Repco filters
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Nah that must be a mistake for such a small item its just not right. Cant be
Regardless of shipping it would be a good thing.
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Just done a quick calculation, based on a similar filter for the 1100. At $300 landed, that would buy about 40 ROF135 filters, so thats approx 400000Ks before break even point is reached ( using 10000Ks as an oil/filter change point), thats (for me ) 16 yrs of riding. Not sure if I will be still able to hold the 1100 up at 74yrs, or if it will be still going or able to get parts for..
:eek :eek
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PC-RACING-FLO-REUSABLE-OIL-FILTER-03-09-HONDA-ST1300-/170529207338?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b455342a
I knew i saw it elsware $28 delivery international
You got to be real careful with these guys
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I have noticed a few U.S. sellers putting very high delivery costs onto the eBay items. Sometimes that's where they make their money (although that item was excessively high).
You see it with K&N air filters. some have a cheaper filter price but high delivery cost. There is one seller on eBayUK at the moment with a good filter price and delivery cost!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200658389810?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1060wt_1163
$80 delivered!
Rodd
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If you do a search on those stainless mesh filters you will find that they don't filter out as fine a particles as a paper element filter.
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I have bought 10 OEM filters from the states @$8.49 approx. Snail freight was $22.00. I got them a bit cheaper when the Aussie dollar was higher.
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REPCO ROF135 Filters
Just looked at their cross reference for their own part.
This suites Mazda 121 1997 to 2002, and Mazda 2 2002 to 2007, plus Ford Festiva 1998 to 2001
That may help for other sources of filters too. Thanks to Brock for finding that one. The RYCO cross from the Repco is a Z436 ($10.46 at Supercheap).
I am going to pick up a Repco one today, wanting to drop my oil again, so will swap out the Honda filter and may try some Deisel oil in the old girl. Penrite HPR 15 (15 - 50) Semi Synthetic for $31 (5 Litres)
I will check to ensure it does not have any friction addatives first, but I should be clear with a deisel oil, shouldn't I?
Mark
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Mark, should be fine with the 15W-50, as with most of the 15W-40s which are very common. Any oil above a 30 weight is unlikley to have any friction modifiers (but look out as magnatec is not supposed to be good in a wet clutch bike due to that molecular stuff). Make sure the oil is rated for American diesels, and not Japanese ones. The ash content in the Japanese diesel oils is way too high. One way to make sure is to see if the oil has an Allison rating, as that is for use in trasmissions with wet clutches
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Mark, should be fine with the 15W-50, as with most of the 15W-40s which are very common. One way to make sure is to see if the oil has an Allison rating, as that is for use in trasmissions with wet clutches
saaz
Thanks for that info
Went to the Penrite site and in the spec sheet for this Diesel engine oil it actually states:
"May be used in four stroke motorcycles including those that have wet clutches. Can be used in petrol engines as a mixed fleet oil" ash mass content is 1.22%
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/HPR%20DIESEL%2015%20AUGUST%202010.pdf (http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/HPR%20DIESEL%2015%20AUGUST%202010.pdf)
I was just interested in trying a diesel engine oil, there is quite a lot of chat about giving smoother gear changes, and finding neutral easier. If there is any truth in it, the base oil used is better quality for Diesel stock, than for normal engine oil?
The HP4 Honda oil I put in (first oil change in two years for the bike, after the guy I bought it from had it stood in the garage for two years), I have found that the High Performance oil that Honda shop recommended, it appears to change as the bike gets hot (within 10 minutes of driving), then the gears feel "sticky", the oil appeared OK when I first put it in, but seems to have de graded very quickly, or it could be the weather warming up here in WA now?
The HP4 is a 10-30 semi synth oil, which the Honda shop says the ST1100 should use.
:hijacked sorry
Mark
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Mark, diesel oils usually have higher levels of anti wear additives and extra things to neutralise acids and other things that build up in oil over time. Essentially they are like bike oils should be. The 10W-30 can be used in the ST1100 but it is only a recent recommendation for late model bikes.
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Mark
Also check that your reservoir is full. The sight glass in mine is a bit frosty and my gear changes weren't the best. I checked the reservoir and it was low.. topped it up and gear-change is much improved.
Also, I read today where people have checked the linkage connecting the gear lever with the gearbox and found a severe lack of lubrication in the little ball-joints.
I'll be checking mine before too long.
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Mark
Also check that your reservoir is full. The sight glass in mine is a bit frosty and my gear changes weren't the best. I checked the reservoir and it was low.. topped it up and gear-change is much improved.
Thanks Rodd
My sight glass is clear as new glass, lucky for me.
Strange story about this one too with me. When I did an oild change (just after I purchased the bike) and used Honda HP4 oil, I also fitted a new Honda oil filter. Well, when I put the new oil in, I kept adding a little at a time (after I had put in about 3 litres, heading to the 3.7 it should use) and kept checking the Oil sight glass. I waited until it was level with the top marker, then ran the bike for about 5 minutes. Checked again after 5 minutes of the bike being off, and the oil was half way between full and low level, so I topped it up a little at a time again until it was just under the top marker.
Used the bike that week for work and play, and after that first week, checked the levels again (after the bike has been in my garage overnight), still OK, just under the top marker. After another week of driving, and some hot engine days with driving on the Freeway when it is a carpark, and no lane splitting, so I was stop start just like the cars. I looked at my oil level again after an overnight in the garage, and the oil level was about 3 mm over the top oil marker.
My bike is always parked on its centre stand, I don't park up using my side stand apart from when I am getting off. So that is not why the levels are up and down. So I put it down to senile dementia, because unless someone is sneaking into my locked garage overnight and putting free oil in, I don't get what that was about.
There is no clouding or froth in the oil, so it did not gain some coolant. No idea what had happened. I spoke with a friend who is way more bike savvy than me :phone, and he said it may be possible that one of the oil channels had a blockahge from when the bike spent two years sat idle with the previous owner, and the blockage cleared after the oil change and some hot riding over a couple of days. Then, the oil that was backed up in that drain channel has emptied back to the sump :crackup. It does not take much to put the oil over the top marker.
I think my friend may have been on magic mushrooms though. :rofl
Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it?? :eek
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Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it?? :eek
Well - If it starts producing a few barrels a day, you could be sittin on a very pretty retirement! :rofl
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I read on the US ST site that they found that if you keep the oil level just below half way on the sight glass there is less vibration!
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Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it?? :eek
Well - If it starts producing a few barrels a day, you could be sittin on a very pretty retirement! :rofl
My bike is like the goose that laid the golden egg right :thumbs
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Mark..........I'd be very careful mentioning any reference to the word "Goose" if I was you..................don't forget "Diesel" IS WATCHING!!
My bike is like the goose that laid the golden egg right :thumbs
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Hmmmm....................
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you only post so you can use your new smiley thingy's :well
:o :eek :rofl :crackup :nahnah
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I would not worry about an apparent variation in oil level like that. If it is between half full I just ride and perhaps check it. :beer
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I read on the US ST site that they found that if you keep the oil level just below half way on the sight glass there is less vibration!
May be just in my mind, but I did my oil change with Penrite HPR 15 Diesel oil, and have filled to half way on the oil sight glass. :thumb
Now been running the bike since Sunday like this, and my gear changes are smooth, the engine "sounds" better, and thought I never thought I had any vibration with my bike engine, since this change and level setting, I know there must have been, as I hardly know the engine is running, can't "feel" it through my hand grips, or hear as much engine noise, over the road noise. :beer
Not like an enormous change, but very noticeable.
Thanks for all the tips. The Repco filter alone is a decent saving on costs at around $7 instead of $25, and the Oil at just over $30 for 5 litres compared to $60 to $80 for 4 litres of Honda HP4 oil. :thumbsup
Gotta love this site :-++
Mark
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The Repco filter alone is a decent saving on costs at around $7 instead of $25, and the Oil at just over $30 for 5 litres compared to $60 to $80 for 4 litres of Honda HP4 oil. :thumbsup
Gotta love this site :-++
Mark
Right you are Woody - most manufacturers would have you believe that you HAVE to use their products on them, when a lot of the time, an independent or third party product is as good, if not, better, and even a fraction of the price.
People tend to do this... :eek when they hear you are putting diesel oil in a big sport/touring bike... but those in the know do this..... :thumb
If I cant get hold of Couch's Yamalube this time round, I'm heading back to Shell H5 Diesel oil.
The diesel FUEL can get phaaarked tho! :-((( :wink1
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you only post so you can use your new smiley thingy's :well
:o :eek :rofl :crackup :nahnah
That's not true ..... (Diesel looks for a "flip the bird" smiley)... >:()
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:cop
Just for Diesel in case he gets pulled over again
When you use non-OEM parts some don't like it :CB--
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FYI
When I first got my bike, I purchase a genuine Honda filter (ST1100) from David Silver Spares (UK), the filter comes with a free filter removal tool.
Well, over this weekend I was trying to get the damn filter off my 4 cyl 2009 Camry sedan, the dealer must have put in on with damn threadlock or something (I do every second oil and filter, so the dealer gets once a year).
My normal strap wrench was crushing the outside of the filter as I was trying to get it off. So I then thought I would just see if this tool fits the Camry oil filter. And it does. Put my half in drive socket set on it, and off with very little effort.
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Does anybody have a Ryco or Repco oil filter number suitable for the 1300 im guessing the Z436 and thr ROF 135 is for 1100
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Z436 and valvoline VO33 are for the ST1100. I will have a look to see if the ST13 uses the same, as I know Honda rationalised its range of filters and magically one filter now fits more than one model!
I also admit to servicing a camry 4 cylinder, but it is not my car :)
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Ok, just checked online with US OEM part suppliers, and Honda now recommends the same part number for the oil filter for the ST1100 and the ST1300 (15410-MFJ-D01), and for a lot of other models it seems. So the Ryco Z436 and Valvoline v033 will work, as will any other brand that is equivalent (the Ryco and valvoline are the same dimensions as the Honda OEM - a slightly longer filter will fit on the ST11 but I don't know how tight the ST13 space is). I like the Pure one filters but Supercheap stopped selling them. I have used Ryco and valvoline filters for many years in cars no problems. If Honda did not love to keep their filters rather than sell them I would use them.
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Being uber geeky >:()
I use a Z411 because the relief pressure is lower than the Z436
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Thats geeky allright :) Is lower relief pressure better, as that bypasses the filter?
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Im guessing when the oil filter blocks up you still got flow
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Sorry for my ignorance but am i reading this right ... that you guys are running engine oil designed for a diesel engine? :think1 ... im looking at dropping my fluids so if this is the go then i'll do it to if its good for her :thumbsup
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Instead of thinking about the oil as diesel oil, think of it as really heavy duty oil that is rated for long service and harsh conditions ( a HDEO - heavy duty engine oil). It has to be rated for petrol engine use, but most of the diesel oils have extra anti wear additives that do not meet the latest petrol oil standards due to the effect on catalytic converters and fuel economy standards. Most normal car oils will have a diesel oil rating as well, but it is usually a really old outdated diesel oil standard as they just don't have all the robust additives.
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Cool so the consensus is that the Penrite HPR 15 Diesel oil with the ryco Z436 filter is the go?
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The reason for using a diesel rated oil, is that it seems to smooth out the gear changes, and maybe quieten the jetson whine slightly. Also, if a diesel can do 20000Ks or more between changes then there is no reason our ST motors cant as well.
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You can't go wrong lets say. The ST11 and ST13 are easy on oil from all the all reports I have seen. The penrite oil is better than the standard Honda recommendation (their own 10W-40 - how about that!) that easily goes for 12500kms between oil changes.
I like the jetson whine, but it is a bit more noticeable on the ST13 - it sounds odd to me at idle but great once you are going.
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Thanks for clearing that up lads! ... Tho if it will quieten the whine i might have to reconsider lol ... I really like that on my ST13 :runyay ... Question ... Why is it called a jeston Whine??? is it something to do with the cartoon? The Jetsons or is there a part in the bike that makes that noise called the jetson? :think1 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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From the cartoon, its the sound of the Jetson aircar
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I generally use after market filters from the states. Some sell on E-bay as well.
If the motorcycle industry does a similar thing to the automotive industry then a lot of aftermarket stuff is made by the same OE companies
The last time I bought two for the same price for one a local Honda dealer. I also bought the filter and remover from david silver spares UK which makes it easier.
Now I seem to be missing something here.
I have yet to experience what you call the Jetson noise on my 1100.
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Alan
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Cool so the consensus is that the Penrite HPR 15 Diesel oil with the ryco Z436 filter is the go?
Let me know how the filter change went coz I'll be doing the same me thinks
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Im using the Z436 at one turd the price of Honda :thumb no problem there.
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Well just got my z436 filter and penrite diesel oil. Came to a grand total of $49 lol. Will let yaz know how it goes ;-) :blu13
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Im using the Z436 at one turd the price of Honda :thumb no problem there.
So how much are the Honda ones? I've only had mine done at the dealers
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Invoiced out at tirdy bucks at a time $30.00
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I have Gen filters I bought from America.
$10 love you long time.
0411460126
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Honda oil filters are around $40.00
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try $25.
I bought one about 6 months ago, before getting them from america.
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well it was a long time ago, only ever bought one and been using Reco ROF 135
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I must admit that untill I start doing a lot more k'ms on the bike I'll keep using the Honda filter I do a change bout every 6 months then put it into the dealers for a service once a year coz ATM I'm doing about 6,000 kms a year, pretty slack eh!
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Okie dokie well i did my first oil change on my girl this afternoon. Its a breeze compaired to my old Hayabusa and the current bikes i have atm. For the no believers i have taken a couple of pics of the items used.
Ryco Z436 Filter
Penrite Deisel 15 oil.
IMO i Cant say i notice any difference RE: less vibration or less Jetson whine but hey its done now and all for a great price :runyay
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you only post so you can use your new smiley thingy's :well
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I didn't know you got smileys when you get lots of posts, methinks I might have to get busy posting. :crackup