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Honda ST1300 Section => Honda ST1300 General Questions => Topic started by: Dragonstaff on April 20, 2022, 08:10:16 PM
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Trying to remove the airbox to fit my cruise control, and find a butcher has been there before me. I am using the correct screwdriver from the bike's toolkit, but I suspect that this one is beyond it.
If I drill the head off, will there be enough thread left after removing the housing to get hold of with a pair of vice-grips, or will I have to drill far enough to get an ezy-out into it?
Does anyone have any other ideas? Drilling it would be a last resort measure.
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Drill with a lefthand drill bit, if it grabs it may screw the screw out. If not and you use the right size you can then use an easy out.
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Drill with a lefthand drill bit, if it grabs it may screw the screw out. If not and you use the right size you can then use an easy out.
Snap... I was going to say the same. Make sure you cover that hole first, fill with a rag and tape over. dont want swarf (metal bits) getting into dont go areas..
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I have been a mechanic for 40 years, sometimes professionally, and I have never heard of left-handed drill bits. Everywhere I have worked has just used standard ones.
The left-handed ones make difference to your success rate?
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I started my mechanical engineering 54 (correction I started in 1970 so only 52 years ago)years ago and only came across left hand or reverse action drills this year. This is one link but not the set I have. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185002127352?hash=item2b12fc6ff8:g:3qEAAOSwmORhGytg (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185002127352?hash=item2b12fc6ff8:g:3qEAAOSwmORhGytg)
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I came across them a few years ago while in the RAAF, (OK that was 27 years ago) . I recently got a couple. When drilling a stuck screw, they often bite and pull the screw out.
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I started my mechanical engineering 54 (correction I started in 1970 so only 52 years ago)years ago and only came across left hand or reverse action drills this year.
This makes me feel like less of an ignoramus.
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Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??
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Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??
My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
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Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??
My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
The end comes off my old impact drive leaving a 1/2" drive to which you can fit lots of things. See attached PDF
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Vessel make a beaut JIS impact screwdriver...
https://tinyurl.com/5ha8j7as
Not real cheap but I reckon they are definitely worth it and much better than a standard phillips head screwdriver! :thumbs
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Worth a read if you don't know the difference between a JIS screwdriver and a Phillips screwdriver...
https://www.motorcycle.com/ask-mo-anything/difference-between-japanese-jis-phillips.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/ask-mo-anything/difference-between-japanese-jis-phillips.html)
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Impact drivers bought. A #2 and a #3. They are about on par with the sets like a standard impact driver for price, so not too bad, and I was looking at another of those just for the bits.
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Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??
My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
The end comes off my old impact drive leaving a 1/2" drive to which you can fit lots of things. See attached PDF
Mine does the same, Glen. But to get a 6mm bit on it is a 1/2-3/8 adaptor, then a 3/8 - 1/4, then a 6mm socket, then a bit. And I will still probably drop the bit down the guts of the thing. :cuss :cuss
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Mine does the same, Glen. But to get a 6mm bit on it is a 1/2-3/8 adaptor, then a 3/8 - 1/4, then a 6mm socket, then a bit. And I will still probably drop the bit down the guts of the thing. :cuss :cuss
Yes along way around but I have had to do that (except I could go to a 3/8" 6mm socket) and it works.
Good luck.
If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.
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If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.
Haven't even thought about that yet. I will probably need three of them before I am done. Two more are showing signs of being reluctant.
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If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.
Haven't even thought about that yet. I will probably need three of them before I am done. Two more are showing signs of being reluctant.
Screws seem to be available from one of the bigger dealers in Adelaide, and I will try my local Honda shop first. I am going to need three of them. :cuss :cuss :cuss
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Or you could just use some Allen head screws with spacers and flat washers easily available at Bunnings or most nut and bolt places.
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Use stainless bolts, the wont corrode into the threads..
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https://www.grabberman.com/Media/TechnicalData/127.pdf (https://www.grabberman.com/Media/TechnicalData/127.pdf)
If you want more on the topic...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=stainless+steel+aluminium+electronegativity&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=stainless+steel+aluminium+electronegativity&sc=8-43&qs=n&sk=&cvid=E89DC2DC0DA244A1827B155CD4344E63 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=stainless+steel+aluminium+electronegativity&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=stainless+steel+aluminium+electronegativity&sc=8-43&qs=n&sk=&cvid=E89DC2DC0DA244A1827B155CD4344E63)
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Or you could just use some Allen head screws with spacers and flat washers easily available at Bunnings or most nut and bolt places.
I take it the spacers are in place of the shoulder on the stock bolt?
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Yes, some aluminium or steel tubing cut to correct size 👍
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JIS screw drivers (#2 and #3) and left-handed drill bits (that sounds like an apprentice test, like a long weight) arrived yesterday, so tomorrow might be time for the next attempt. Replacement screw are on the way from Honda. Not cheap, but available.
Watch this space.
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Success!
It ended up being a drill and ezy-out job, on three screws, and the JIS impact driver got the fourth. Once the last one came out, I quickly packed up and left it for the day, so that I didn't push my luck with the mechanic Gods. Three successful attempts out of three with ezy-outs was stretching the friendship in my book.
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:runyay Good Effort
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Well done.
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Good thing I ordered four replacements. By the time I got this sorted, I had to remove and replace a couple of times, and the fancy Vessel screwdriver finished the last one off.
I was only doing them with finger grip too, not over-tightened by any means.
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Speaking of those Vessel Impacta Screwdrivers...I added another pair a few weeks ago to the assorted collection of JIS screwdrivers I already had...
These days they are my screwdriver of choice when I'm working on my ST or car...
I always reckon you can't have too many tools! :grin
(https://i.ibb.co/gwxdcnf/JIS.gif)