Post by: LindsayGT on January 24, 2021, 07:51:51 PM
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/boyer-lecture-andrew-forrest
Or is he on to something?
Post by: Yorkie on January 24, 2021, 09:08:59 PM
Post by: ST1100_GREG on January 25, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on January 25, 2021, 02:02:22 PM
They make much more sense than lugging around a heavy bank of batteries which then require hours to charge.
Hydrogen tanks can be similar in size to a petrol driven car's tank and filling time will be similar...much more convenient in my opinion.
Toyota & Hyundai already have cars being trialled in Australia...
Post by: Gadget on January 25, 2021, 05:34:47 PM
1000 km Range on a tank does make it attractive. However, the only Hydrogen bowser on Brisbane, is over at Rocklea, 42 km (50 minutes) each way.
And for Hydrogen to work, it needs to be Green Hydrogen (produced by renewables, not Coal or Gas)
I have 10 and 15 Amp GPOs in the garage, so recharging won't be a problem.
My normal work commute is just over 30 km, and the Daughter's place is a similar distance. So once a week recharge would suffice. Connecting and disconnecting take about 20 seconds each.
There are alternatives to Copper for engines. Aluminium is quite a good conductor, and there's heaps of that.
Also Battery Tech is evolving so fast, lighter batteries with more dense energy are less than 10 years away.
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Post by: Kev Murphy on February 12, 2021, 06:45:37 PM
Post by: Kev Murphy on February 12, 2021, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: Gadget on February 12, 2021, 07:14:41 PM
https://youtu.be/oQqEHd0gQCM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on February 12, 2021, 08:32:45 PM
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Post by: Jdbiker on February 12, 2021, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 12, 2021, 09:05:28 PM
I think I'll stick with my little diesel for a while longer.
I can't see an Eveready/Duracell powered vehicle having a 1,300km range like my little Hyundai has any time soon... 8)
Post by: Kev Murphy on February 12, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
Post by: Langers on February 12, 2021, 10:18:09 PM
Unfortunately, I suspect I will be a gopher jockey before that happens.
Post by: Kev Murphy on February 12, 2021, 10:29:44 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 12, 2021, 10:40:35 PM
https://jetcharge.com.au/resources/ev-guide/vehicle-plug-types
Post by: cravenhaven on February 14, 2021, 08:08:20 AM
In OZ there are 3 different plugs for EV's, CCS1, CCS2, ChaDeMo. CCS2 is the adopted standard, but some legacy support for the others still need to be supported, conversion kits are available however. How many handles are there at the standard service station ATM, at least 4 sometimes 5, sometimes 6 (Diesel, Adblue, unleaded, premium, 98, Gas)
The conversion of hydrogen to electricity and then back to electricity is around 50% each way hence hydrogen powered vehicles are around 25% efficient. Way better then ICE at around 15%, but not a patch on EV's at 80-90%. And thats efficiency from well to wheels.
The majority of EV owners simply plug their car in at home and charge overnight, or for those of us retired folks, during the day while the sun is shining. It's only a lack of infrastructure that prevents more of this at parking buildings and workplaces for those who work during the day.
And, before anyone jumps on their high horse about do we have enough electricity to power all this, just be aware that the electricity generator regulator (AEMO) regularly curtails output from solar and wind farms because we cant use their output and our existing coal and gas units are unable to respond quickly enough to changes in output requirement.
How many riders swing into a servo at 400km, fill up, and swing straight out for another 400km's. 90% (a guess) of riders do a couple of hours at a stretch between coffee or meal breaks, easily enough time to add several hundred kilometres of charge to your EV.
Their are limitations on raw materials for batteries ATM, but there is rapid development on changing materials and processes to reduce or remove difficult materials like Cobalt, copper etc.
In addition, we have almost limitless ability to produce electricity in Australia. Wind, Solar, Gas, Coal, Wave energy, Hydro..... Yet we still prefer to import oil/petrol/diesel.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 14, 2021, 03:31:56 PM
What worries me more than anything though is the time it takes to charge...
While it is probably not a major issue at the moment, I'd like to know what happens down the track when there are thousands of vehicles needing a charge at the same time?
It's all well and good saying people can get a partial charge while they are shopping or having a meal or coffee or such, but imagine hundreds of people wanting to do that at the same time?
It can get busy enough at a petrol station at times and most people are only stopped there for a few minutes...what's it gonna be like at a charge point when electric vehicles need to be hooked up for an hour or more and there are dozens of cars lined up waiting???
Post by: cravenhaven on February 14, 2021, 04:29:39 PM
Everyone thinks of EV's the same way they think of ICE cars, but you need to rethink the way you charge/fill them. We all have the one stop a week paradigm in our head to fill the car up with petrol for the weeks shopping/work etc. Anyone with an EV does their business and comes home to charge/topup/whatever. I believe there a couple of thousand petrol stations in Australia, how many 10amp GPO's are there?.
It's not the lack of range that is the problem with uptake here, its the lack of variety and minimal 2nd hand market. Look at the number of EV vehicle types we have here compared to what's available in UK, Norway, even the USA, we have 1/3 to a 1/5 of those countries. No manufacturer is going to spend the huge outlay in support etc when the attitude of the government towards their product is so negative. Who knows, the govt might put some huge tax on EV's just to support the oil industry. Look at Angus Taylors latest bleatings, his report compares a large EV version of a commercial van with a smaller diesel version and then says that EV's are not competitive.
A few state govts are starting to mandate EVs for govt vehicles, partly to create a 2nd hand supply in the future. There's even a Tasmanian business solely focused on bringing in 2nd hand EV's, and I'm sure more will jump on that bandwagon soon.
BTW have you seen the Electric M'bikes available: Harley Davidson, Zero, Savic(coming). Fonzarelli, Evoke, even Honda has some coming. Nothing of any real interest for touring, but it's definitely coming.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 14, 2021, 06:24:21 PM
I for one certainly won't be rushing out to buy an electric motorcycle or car.
Not enough travel range for those of us that live out in the sticks except perhaps the Hyundai Kona, I guess...and even that would be pushing it.
As for motorcycles..$50,000 for an electric Harley??? They've got to be joking! |-i
Post by: cravenhaven on February 15, 2021, 09:24:45 AM
Post by: Brock on February 15, 2021, 11:11:02 AM
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We live in the sticks and have no problem with range in our EV.
Not many of have a 30KVA Cummins Diesel genset in a trailer...
o:) o:) o:)
Post by: Kev Murphy on February 15, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
Post by: Gadget on February 15, 2021, 11:54:24 AM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on February 15, 2021, 11:57:05 AM
We live in the sticks and have no problem with range in our EV. Its much less of a problem than you think. Very few places in Australia without electricity of one sort or another.
Not too many EV charging points in our area...The only one locally, I believe (which is in the next town) is set up for Tesla's and is for Motel patrons only...Other than that, there doesn't seem to be anything within at least a 30k radius.
Post by: cravenhaven on February 15, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
However if you increase your radius a little you have Wongathi, Cape Paterson, Koo we rup, Phillip Island... And I'm sure there are plenty of GPO's around if one asked nicely.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 15, 2021, 02:15:17 PM
https://myelectriccar.com.au/charge-stations-in-australia/
Still, most are a fair distance away so while there are some out there, there's certainly nothing convenient about any of them...
It's not just about how far away they are either, it's also the time you have to spend waiting for a charge and obviously the more electric vehicles that end up out there, the higher the possibility of having to wait in line before you can even hook your car up.
While I understand charge times are getting less compared to a few years ago, it still takes way way longer than filling a car up with petrol/diesel.
Like I mentioned earlier, I think I'll stick with my little diesel for a while longer as I can't see any EV getting the "range" that my car gets in the foreseeable future...
Cheers :beer
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 15, 2021, 02:27:06 PM
https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-advice/around-melbourne-then-to-adelaide-and-back-in-a-2019-hyundai-kona-electric/
Post by: cravenhaven on February 16, 2021, 08:38:26 AM
I just checked another app which gives better route planning and in a Tesla could do the Melbourne-Adelaide trip in about 9 hours, including an hour and a half of charging along the way. With the same Kona as in the article it would take 10 minutes longer. AND you dont need any cables :) (That collection of cables was crazy.)
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 16, 2021, 09:48:12 AM
AND you dont need any cables :) (That collection of cables was crazy.)
That's another thing that bugs me, why couldn't manufacturers settle on a standard plug?
https://jetcharge.com.au/resources/tools/what-kind-of-ev-cables-do-you-need/
Post by: LindsayGT on February 16, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Jaguar+ev&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs= (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Jaguar+ev&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=)
I suspect many more to come.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 16, 2021, 10:25:40 AM
Post by: cravenhaven on February 16, 2021, 10:37:53 AM
That's another thing that bugs me, why couldn't manufacturers settle on a standard plug?Emerging industry, different ideas. In reality the standards body have settled on a standard plug, just that it took them a while to get around to it.
https://jetcharge.com.au/resources/tools/what-kind-of-ev-cables-do-you-need/
As I said above, the standard plug in Australia for all EV's is the CCS2 type. There are still some legacy vehicles and chargers around, such as the original Teslas's (although Tesla offer an upgrade), early BMW, Chev/Holden Volt, probably a few others that use the CCS1 plug, but there are fairly cheap converters available. The biggest issue is the ChaDeMo standard (Japanese) which offers bidirectional power, so that you could use your cars battery to power your house. CCS2 doesnt offer this capability and arguably it is probably not that sensible as an option. The only new vehicle that supports ChaDeMo is the Nissan Leaf, although it has a CCS AC port as well.
Nearly all fast chargers in Australia support both ChaDeMo and CCS2 so its not really an issue. Bit like petrol and diesel, or 10amp and 15 amp power points.
These days, the only adapter that you would carry with you for all but around Australia trips, is one to plug into your standard household power point. We've had our EV for 16 months and have never used that adapter since the very beginning.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 16, 2021, 11:01:06 AM
https://jetcharge.com.au/resources/tools/what-kind-of-ev-cables-do-you-need/
Post by: cravenhaven on February 16, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-16/luxury-car-brand-jaguar-to-go-all-electric-by-2025/13158112?fbclid=IwAR1jOFRCIHG5FVvXCMS6trwkXer2tCxuSkD0KxRz4c4qECVst50GGtPSHkY (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-16/luxury-car-brand-jaguar-to-go-all-electric-by-2025/13158112?fbclid=IwAR1jOFRCIHG5FVvXCMS6trwkXer2tCxuSkD0KxRz4c4qECVst50GGtPSHkY)
You are correct re: Tesla Superchargers. Elon Musk says that he has offered use of the SC's to other manufacturers but they have not taken up the offer. I'm sure there are strings attached to this offer that make it unattractive to other manufacturers, because the SC network is a major Tesla advantage. Using SC's are a seamless transaction from a user perspective because the identity of the user (billing target) is tied to the car identity so once you have an account with Tesla you just plug in and go.
Post by: LindsayGT on February 16, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
Along with a lot of commentary.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 16, 2021, 03:58:58 PM
I figured it was probably in relation to what cravenhaven posted but you know what happens when you assume... :whistle
Anyways, I did notice that Jaguar/Land Rover are to test fuel cell (hydrogen) powertrains within the year so good to see they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket... :thumbs
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/jaguar-land-rover-test-fuel-cell-powertrains-within-year (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/jaguar-land-rover-test-fuel-cell-powertrains-within-year)
Post by: LindsayGT on February 16, 2021, 11:24:08 PM
https://copperalliance.org/about-copper/long-term-availability/
Post by: Gadget on February 24, 2021, 10:28:50 AM
An extra 100 km range in 5 minutes charge, or from 10% to 80% charge in 20 minutes. That'll do me.
That's enough time to have a coffee and toilet break.
Oh, and it also has 2 Power Point to run any appliance up to 3.6 kW.
Kettle, microwave, toaster, charge another car etc.
https://thedriven.io/2021/02/23/hyundai-unveils-ioniq-5-all-electric-suv-ahead-of-q3-launch-in-australia-2/
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Post by: ruSTynutz on March 25, 2021, 08:09:07 PM
https://tinyurl.com/5ccpcp6u
Post by: hobs on March 27, 2021, 07:47:58 AM
Post by: Williamson on March 27, 2021, 12:12:43 PM
1. ... all the charges required when you are on a trip and need to pull into a charge station?
I'm just not sure what you mean by that.
2. ... Incorrect charging can destroy a battery pack very quickly.
Surely there is, or will be, enough fails safe measures in the EV system to prevent misuse.
3. Who would every trust the salesman if purchasing a second hand EV that the battery pack is good to go.
How do you know that a sales person is lying? His/her lips are moving. But surely there is, or will be, a battery diagnosis test that will tell you the health of a battery.
4. Saying technology will resolve the distance travel issues is no assurance it will ever be overcome.
Agree.
5. I can see a time when the highways and byways will be littered with abandoned EVs with flat or worn out batteries and pollution issues with redundant batteries like today's tyre disposal problems.
Yes, that would be a problem.
Post by: ppopeye on March 27, 2021, 02:02:20 PM
Post by: cravenhaven on March 27, 2021, 04:07:53 PM
Things to think about if EVs become the vehicle of choice.What costs are you referring to. If you mean the cost to charge the car, then the user pays just like you do for petrol/diesel. In fact it is becoming much easier now with the main charge station companies allowing you to register the VIN of your vehicle and then the billing automatically is processed as soon as you plug your car in. So no messing around with cards and apps and so on. Optional of course.
1. Who is going to pay for all the charges required when you are on a trip and need to pull into a charge station?
2. It costs between $5,000 to $7,000 to replace the battery pack on an EV. Incorrect charging can destroy a battery pack very quickly.All EV's have very smart chargers and battery management systems built into them. You cant "incorrectly" charge OR discharge the car. There are some unconfirmed reports that constantly using fast chargers will reduce battery life, but its all too early to tell exactly what the effects might be.
3. Who would every trust the salesman if purchasing a second hand EV that the battery pack is good to go.As if a salesman would know. Ask any of them any sort of technical question about any vehicle and you'll normally be met with a blank stare, or some Bull.... gabble. It's really the same as asking if the engine is any good on an ICE vehicle, except you actually have more information in an EV because they all include a display that represent the battery life eg: the Nissan Leaf have a "% of new", the Teslas have an "expected range".
4. Saying technology will resolve the distance travel issues is no assurance it will ever be overcome.That's a bit like saying that future ICE vehicles will have a million mile capability ala the Mazda rotary engine with no parts to wear.
In any case its a bit of "horses for courses" argument. If you buy a Mazda 2, can it travel around Australia?. Well of course it can, its just uncomfortable and slow. Can you drive a Nissan Leaf around Australia?. Of course you can, its just uncomfortable and slow.
5. I can see a time when the highways and byways will be littered with abandoned EVs with flat or worn out batteries and pollution issues with redundant batteries like today's tyre disposal problems.I dont see why that will be the case, anymore than you have the highways littered with worn out ICE vehicle. In fact with the low mechanical parts count of EV's there will be less litter. No waste oil, no worn out brakeshoes/drums/discs, no wornout clutches, no wornout belts/hoses/radiators/alternators. etc etc.
Its probably a bit early as yet to be certain, but the expectation is that batteries will far outlast the current average ICE engine. When they do fail, they can be used for stationary storage and with the current technology of battery can be almost completely recycled to create new batteries. After all a Lithium battery is 80% Nickel, 5% Lithium and the rest is various metals and structural components.
There doesnt appear to be much recycling happening ATM, but used vehicle batteries are currently snapped up by EV and home power enthusiasts.
Post by: Gadget on March 27, 2021, 10:35:18 PM
https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/about-ev/charger-map/
Just the odd one or two about.
The battery charging technology is on board. It prevents over charging.
The next Nissan Leaf model will be able to discharge back into the home to work like a home battery. Great if you've got a solar system.
The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be released later this year in Australia has two 3.6 kW PowerPoint's built in, as does the Kia EV6 also due for release this year. The Genisis GV60 is also expected to have the same functionality.
The Ioniq 5 will also have the option of solar panels on the roof, to charge it while it's parked.
This means all 3 cars could help charge another electric car. Just like syphoning petrol.
As has already been said, there is an extreme about of waste now from ICE cars.
EVs are being made from recycled materials, and with future recycling in mind.
There is already a German factory that only recycles the batteries into their component parts, using only solar power. Very little waste.
Just for some context...
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Post by: LindsayGT on April 15, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
https://www.2035report.com/transportation/ (https://www.2035report.com/transportation/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 15, 2021, 11:15:15 PM
https://motorbikewriter.com/segway-plans-hydrogen-sports-bike/
Post by: LindsayGT on April 17, 2021, 11:57:18 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/green-hydrogen-new-climate-friendly-fuel/100070928 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-17/green-hydrogen-new-climate-friendly-fuel/100070928)
Post by: CallMeSteve on June 18, 2022, 03:28:02 PM
https://iplayerhd.com/player/video/dae6a69a-adb1-4692-aaba-cff7e6bcd493 (https://iplayerhd.com/player/video/dae6a69a-adb1-4692-aaba-cff7e6bcd493)
Post by: Kev Murphy on June 18, 2022, 03:43:32 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 18, 2022, 10:07:50 PM
https://thedriven.io/2022/06/17/broken-ev-fast-chargers-not-just-a-problem-in-australia-study-shows/
Post by: ppopeye on June 20, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
While electric cars cost so much more it is more an idealistic choice rather than an economic one.
I would have a second car that is electric as range is not as important if you are driving locally to the shops, visiting friends, medical appointments etc.
I have solar so an electric car can charge during the day free of cost a lot of the time
If I have another car, eg the landcruiser for towing the van and other longer trips I will use that longer trips and if the electric car was needing charge.
Petrol etc will get more expensive.
Electricity will get more expensive.
The idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.
I wonder if any electric/ hybrid vehicles are designed so a newer, better, lighter battery pack could be added. Or a cheaper bigger one even.
In the meantime I watch and wait.
PS. I wouldnt be interested in an electric motorcycle . I like the ST just as it is
Post by: Langers on June 20, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
This is the brave new world for those who like a bit of adventure travel in their lives:
https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/new-air-bike-fly-250-mph-1234629791/?fbclid=IwAR0nSmmLLqReW7AAgMxMw4nRHAIhmbSxU07ja8qLD9YzzOfwNnI81jqCtPw
Now, all I need to do is reverse mortgage the house and it's up, up and away.
Post by: Kev Murphy on June 20, 2022, 01:43:13 PM
Ummm... how much for a tank of jet fuel every 35 minutes these days??
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 20, 2022, 02:22:46 PM
The idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.
You might find this video of interest then, Gary...
https://youtu.be/sQjFQCPzLSc
Post by: LindsayGT on June 20, 2022, 04:36:35 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/forrest-signs-up-monster-german-evs-to-start-ditching-diesel-in-the-pilbara-20220615-p5au0v.html (https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/forrest-signs-up-monster-german-evs-to-start-ditching-diesel-in-the-pilbara-20220615-p5au0v.html)
Post by: cravenhaven on June 20, 2022, 06:15:42 PM
It does take a little more focus on planning longer trips ATM, but the Charger availability is improving rapidly.
Cost wise, its considerably cheaper to own and run, but like for like with ICE the break even point is still 5-10 years. Resale values could change the equations on the financial side, but its still to early to tell.
Post by: Gadget on June 20, 2022, 10:44:07 PM
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Acceleration
6.9s 0-100 km/h
Range (WLTP)
455 km
Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 80,000 km, whichever comes first
Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first
We're getting quotes from a couple of solar system installers.
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Post by: cravenhaven on June 21, 2022, 02:08:40 AM
Post by: Gadget on June 21, 2022, 08:05:03 AM
As we only have single phase, we're looking at 10+kW of panels and an 8 kW inverter. Predominantly on the East and West rooves as the north cops quite a bit of shade in Winter.
We normally average 27 kW/h per day usage, so :X the system will bring us close to neutral grid usage.
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Post by: CallMeSteve on June 22, 2022, 01:06:26 PM
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.
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Acceleration
6.9s 0-100 km/h
Range (WLTP)
455 km
Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 80,000 km, whichever comes first
Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first
We're getting quotes from a couple of solar system installers.
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Looks like a fun purchase Gary.
The economics don't work too well in my case. Because we got into solar early enough to get the ridiculous 50c feed-in tariff (actually we got in on the last day), charging the car during the day would effectively cost us 50c per kWh in lost exports. I'm one of those parasites who gets paid by AGL every quarter - subsidised by my neighbors.
Post by: cravenhaven on June 22, 2022, 05:29:58 PM
Post by: Gadget on June 22, 2022, 08:35:41 PM
The best feed in tariff I think I can get from AGL is 10c/kWh for the first 4.8 kWh, and then 5c/kWh.I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.
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Acceleration
6.9s 0-100 km/h
Range (WLTP)
455 km
Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 80,000 km, whichever comes first
Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first
We're getting quotes from a couple of solar system installers.
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Looks like a fun purchase Gary.
The economics don't work too well in my case. Because we got into solar early enough to get the ridiculous 50c feed-in tariff (actually we got in on the last day), charging the car during the day would effectively cost us 50c per kWh in lost exports. I'm one of those parasites who gets paid by AGL every quarter - subsidised by my neighbors.
The grid price is about 24c/kWh or off-peak is 13ckW/h.
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Post by: ppopeye on June 22, 2022, 09:46:16 PM
This is an interesting post for the renewable energy buffs.
Electric cars are only as good as the charging facilities provided
Gary Byard
Yesterday at 5:56 AM ·
The post below did not have a share button. I can see why.
Charging Electric Cars MELBOURNE
I recently did some work for the body corporate at the Dock 5 Apartment Building in Docklands in Melbourne to see if we could install a small number of electric charging points for owners to charge their electric vehicles. We had our first three applications. We discovered:
1. Our building has no non- allocated parking spaces ie public ones. This is typical of most apartment buildings so we cannot provide shared outlets.
2. The power supply in the building was designed for the loads in the building with virtually no spare capacity. Only 5 or 6 chargers could be installed in total in a building with 188 apartments!!
3. How do you allocate them as they would add value to any apartment owning one. The shit fight started on day one with about 20 applications received 1st day and many more following.
4. The car park sub-boards cannot carry the extra loads of even one charger and would have to be upgraded on any floors with a charger as would the supply mains to each sub board.
5. The main switch board would then have to be upgraded to add the heavier circuit breakers for the sub mains upgrade and furthermore:
6. When Docklands was designed a limit was put on the number of apartments in each precinct and the mains and transformers in the streets designed accordingly. This means there is no capacity in the Docklands street grid for any significant quantity of car chargers in any building in the area.
7. It gets better. The whole CBD (Hoddle Grid, Docklands)and Southbank is fed by two sub stations. One in Port Melbourne and one in West Melbourne. This was done to have two alternate feeds in case one failed or was down for maintenance. Because of the growth in the city /Docklands and Southbank now neither one is now capable of supplying the full requirement of Melbourne zone at peak usage in mid- summer if the other is out of action. The Port Melbourne 66,000 volt feeder runs on 50 or 60 year old wooden power poles above ground along Dorcas Street South Melbourne. One is pole is located 40 cm from the corner Kerb at the incredibly busy Ferrars /St Dorcas St Intersection and is very vulnerable to being wiped out by a wayward vehicle.
8. The infrastructure expenditure required would dwarf the NBN cost excluding the new power stations required
These advocates of electric vehicles only by 2040 are completely bonkers. It takes 5-8 years to design and build a large coal fired power station like Loy Yang and even longer for a Nuclear one (That’s after you get the political will, permits and legislative changes needed ). Wind and solar just can’t produce enough. Tidal power might but that’s further away than nuclear.
It's just a greenies dream in the foreseeable future other than in small wealthy countries. It will no doubt ultimately come but not in the next 20 years...
The grid cannot support it in most places in Australia!
Post by: ppopeye on June 22, 2022, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: ruSTynutz on June 20, 2022, 02:22:46 PM (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=14353.msg1329412#msg1329412)
Quote from: ppopeye on June 20, 2022, 10:17:34 AM (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=14353.msg1329389#msg1329389)The idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.
You might find this video of interest then, Gary...
https://youtu.be/sQjFQCPzLSc (https://youtu.be/sQjFQCPzLSc)
Has his style nd delivery but he makes good points. I will continue homework, discussion, advise, musings and ponderings and then decide I cant afford anything I would like anyway.
If the 100series was better as a shopping car I would go back to one car, and keep driving that till I fall off my perch because it will still be going then. Fuel might be going up but replacing cars is the most expensive part.
Post by: cravenhaven on June 22, 2022, 11:15:20 PM
Many older appartment buildings were never designed for residential parking and almost no new ones allocate room for more than 1 vehicle per flat. So how do residents with multiple vehicle needs get on?. City centers have few (if any) petrol stations yet people can drive out of the centre to charge their cars.
It's all very easy to say that in the past we were ignorant therefore the future is impossible. I'm currently travelling in the UK and Europe and guess what, those 12th/13th etc century buildings all have electric power now, also air conditioning, sewerage, running water etc etc.
eg Local Solar installations may offset a considerable amount of the power requirement, as would Smart/(off peak) EV chargers. Maybe residents from those blocks will have to charge their car elsewhere, after all they most likely walk or bus to work anyway, so only need the vehicle+charging when leaving the city centre and can use public fast chargers.
As far as the tired old argument of 'The Grid' not ready for it. If there was a step change of ALL cars must be EV now or next year, we wouldn't be ready. But its a gradual, though hastening change, and 'readiness' is being worked on by the energy industry. We easily have enough 'Power', just not always in the right places.
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 23, 2022, 11:23:42 AM
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.
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Welcome to the Tesla club, Gary! :runyay
I have a Tesla as well although mine is secondhand...it's one of these: https://tinyurl.com/56f6kw97 :whistle
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 23, 2022, 11:31:11 AM