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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2021, 02:15:17 PM »
Thanks cravenhaven, yeah, that's the mob I looked up to find EV locations...

https://myelectriccar.com.au/charge-stations-in-australia/

Still, most are a fair distance away so while there are some out there, there's certainly nothing convenient about any of them...

It's not just about how far away they are either, it's also the time you have to spend waiting for a charge and obviously the more electric vehicles that end up out there, the higher the possibility of having to wait in line before you can even hook your car up.
While I understand charge times are getting less compared to a few years ago, it still takes way way longer than filling a car up with petrol/diesel.

Like I mentioned earlier, I think I'll stick with my little diesel for a while longer as I can't see any EV getting the "range" that my car gets in the foreseeable future...

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2021, 08:38:26 AM »
After reading this I thought the writer/driver must have been completely inept, then checked and saw that the article was written in mid 2019. Things have changed dramatically since then. I think because of Tesla and Hyundai pushing a huge number of EV's into Oz, there has been a corresponding increase in chargers. Now other EV manufacturers are encouraged so we are seeing a much larger range available.
I just checked another app which gives better route planning and in a Tesla could do the Melbourne-Adelaide trip in about 9 hours, including an hour and a half of charging along the way. With the same Kona as in the article it would take 10 minutes longer. AND you dont need any cables :) (That collection of cables was crazy.)
 
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2021, 09:48:12 AM »
AND you dont need any cables :) (That collection of cables was crazy.)

That's another thing that bugs me, why couldn't manufacturers settle on a standard plug?

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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2021, 10:05:07 AM »
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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2021, 10:25:40 AM »
What exactly are we looking at, Lindsay?  :think1


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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2021, 10:37:53 AM »
That's another thing that bugs me, why couldn't manufacturers settle on a standard plug?

https://jetcharge.com.au/resources/tools/what-kind-of-ev-cables-do-you-need/
Emerging industry, different ideas. In reality the standards body have settled on a standard plug, just that it took them a while to get around to it.
As I said above, the standard plug in Australia for all EV's is the CCS2 type. There are still some legacy vehicles and chargers around, such as the original Teslas's (although Tesla offer an upgrade), early BMW, Chev/Holden Volt, probably a few others that use the CCS1 plug, but there are fairly cheap converters available. The biggest issue is the ChaDeMo standard (Japanese) which offers bidirectional power, so that you could use your cars battery to power your house. CCS2 doesnt offer this capability and arguably it is probably not that sensible as an option. The only new vehicle that supports ChaDeMo is the Nissan Leaf, although it has a CCS AC port as well.
Nearly all fast chargers in Australia support both ChaDeMo and CCS2 so its not really an issue. Bit like petrol and diesel, or 10amp and 15 amp power points.
These days, the only adapter that you would carry with you for all but around Australia trips, is one to plug into your standard household power point. We've had our EV for 16 months and have never used that adapter since the very beginning.
 
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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2021, 11:01:06 AM »
According to this site, only Tesla's can use the Tesla Supercharger network...that's a pain!

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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2021, 12:41:03 PM »
I presume LindsayGT was referring to this story:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-16/luxury-car-brand-jaguar-to-go-all-electric-by-2025/13158112?fbclid=IwAR1jOFRCIHG5FVvXCMS6trwkXer2tCxuSkD0KxRz4c4qECVst50GGtPSHkY

You are correct re: Tesla Superchargers. Elon Musk says that he has offered use of the SC's to other manufacturers but they have not taken up the offer. I'm sure there are strings attached to this offer that make it unattractive to other manufacturers, because the SC network is a major Tesla advantage. Using SC's are a seamless transaction from a user perspective because the identity of the user (billing target) is tied to the car identity so once you have an account with Tesla you just plug in and go.
 
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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2021, 01:46:05 PM »
Yes, a quick scroll would have given you all the information about Jaguar’s move to EV vehicles from 2025.

Along with a lot of commentary.
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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2021, 03:58:58 PM »
Unfortunately your link was just a link for a google search, Lindsay...

I figured it was probably in relation to what cravenhaven posted but you know what happens when you assume...  :whistle

Anyways, I did notice that Jaguar/Land Rover are to test fuel cell (hydrogen) powertrains within the year so good to see they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket...  :thumbs

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2021, 11:24:08 PM »
On the matter of running out of Copper because of EVs, this article may be of interest.

https://copperalliance.org/about-copper/long-term-availability/

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2021, 10:28:50 AM »
Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be released Q3 2021 on Australia.

An extra 100 km range in 5 minutes charge, or from 10% to 80% charge in 20 minutes. That'll do me.

That's enough time to have a coffee and toilet break.

Oh, and it also has 2 Power Point to run any appliance up to 3.6 kW.

Kettle, microwave, toaster, charge another car etc.

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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2021, 08:09:07 PM »
Australia’s newest refuelling station is offering up free fuel for a year, but as with any giveaway there is a massive catch.

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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2021, 07:47:58 AM »
Things to think about if EVs become the vehicle of choice. 1. Who is going to pay for all the charges required when you are on a trip and need to pull into a charge station? 2. It costs between $5,000 to $7,000 to replace the battery pack on an EV. Incorrect charging can destroy a battery pack very quickly. 3. Who would every trust the salesman if purchasing a second hand EV that the battery pack is good to go. 4. Saying technology will resolve the distance travel issues is no assurance it will ever be overcome. 5. I can see a time when the highways and byways will be littered with abandoned EVs with flat or worn out batteries and pollution issues with redundant batteries like today's tyre disposal problems.
 
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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2021, 12:12:43 PM »
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your points ...

1. ... all the charges required when you are on a trip and need to pull into a charge station?

I'm just not sure what you mean by that.

2. ... Incorrect charging can destroy a battery pack very quickly.

Surely there is, or will be, enough fails safe measures in the EV system to prevent misuse.

3. Who would every trust the salesman if purchasing a second hand EV that the battery pack is good to go.

How do you know that a sales person is lying?  His/her lips are moving.  But surely there is, or will be, a battery diagnosis test that will tell you the health of a battery.

4. Saying technology will resolve the distance travel issues is no assurance it will ever be overcome.

Agree.

5. I can see a time when the highways and byways will be littered with abandoned EVs with flat or worn out batteries and pollution issues with redundant batteries like today's tyre disposal problems.

Yes, that would be a problem.
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2021, 02:02:20 PM »
Having just read all of the above contributions, I’ll wait.
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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2021, 04:07:53 PM »
Things to think about if EVs become the vehicle of choice.
1. Who is going to pay for all the charges required when you are on a trip and need to pull into a charge station?
What costs are you referring to. If you mean the cost to charge the car, then the user pays just like you do for petrol/diesel. In fact it is becoming much easier now with the main charge station companies allowing you to register the VIN of your vehicle and then the billing automatically is processed as soon as you plug your car in. So no messing around with cards and apps and so on. Optional of course.

2. It costs between $5,000 to $7,000 to replace the battery pack on an EV. Incorrect charging can destroy a battery pack very quickly.
All EV's have very smart chargers and battery management systems built into them. You cant "incorrectly" charge OR discharge the car. There are some unconfirmed reports that constantly using fast chargers will reduce battery life, but its all too early to tell exactly what the effects might be.

3. Who would every trust the salesman if purchasing a second hand EV that the battery pack is good to go.
As if a salesman would know. Ask any of them any sort of technical question about any vehicle and you'll normally be met with a blank stare, or some Bull.... gabble. It's really the same as asking if the engine is any good on an ICE vehicle, except you actually have more information in an EV because they all include a display that represent the battery life eg: the Nissan Leaf have a "% of new", the Teslas have an "expected range".

4. Saying technology will resolve the distance travel issues is no assurance it will ever be overcome.
That's a bit like saying that future ICE vehicles will have a million mile capability ala the Mazda rotary engine with no parts to wear.
In any case its a bit of "horses for courses" argument. If you buy a Mazda 2, can it travel around Australia?. Well of course it can, its just uncomfortable and slow. Can you drive a Nissan Leaf around Australia?. Of course you can, its just uncomfortable and slow.

5. I can see a time when the highways and byways will be littered with abandoned EVs with flat or worn out batteries and pollution issues with redundant batteries like today's tyre disposal problems.
I dont see why that will be the case, anymore than you have the highways littered with worn out ICE vehicle. In fact with the low mechanical parts count of EV's there will be less litter. No waste oil, no worn out brakeshoes/drums/discs, no wornout clutches, no wornout belts/hoses/radiators/alternators. etc etc.
Its probably a bit early as yet to be certain, but the expectation is that batteries will far outlast the current average ICE engine. When they do fail, they can be used for stationary storage and with the current technology of battery can be almost completely recycled to create new batteries. After all a Lithium battery is 80% Nickel, 5% Lithium and the rest is various metals and structural components.
There doesnt appear to be much recycling happening ATM, but used vehicle batteries are currently snapped up by EV and home power enthusiasts.
 
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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2021, 10:35:18 PM »
Recharging huh?

https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/about-ev/charger-map/

Just the odd one or two about.

The battery charging technology is on board. It prevents over charging.

The next Nissan Leaf model will be able to discharge back into the home to work like a home battery. Great if you've got a solar system.

The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be released later this year in Australia has two 3.6 kW PowerPoint's built in, as does the Kia EV6 also due for release this year. The Genisis GV60 is also expected to have the same functionality.

The Ioniq 5 will also have the option of solar panels on the roof, to charge it while it's parked.

This means all 3 cars could help charge another electric car. Just like syphoning petrol.

As has already been said, there is an extreme about of waste now from ICE cars.

EVs are being made from recycled materials, and with future recycling in mind.

There is already a German factory that only recycles the batteries into their component parts, using only solar power. Very little waste.

Just for some context...


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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2021, 07:33:29 PM »
More interesting stuff happening in the USA!

https://www.2035report.com/transportation/

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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2022, 03:28:02 PM »
Our European friends have been busy innovating. Finally a practical EV that can do country trips without the concern of charging station locations. Something like this on 2 wheels could be quite tempting.

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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2022, 10:07:50 PM »
Broken EV fast-chargers not just a problem in Australia, study shows

https://thedriven.io/2022/06/17/broken-ev-fast-chargers-not-just-a-problem-in-australia-study-shows/


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