Historic Registration

[Greencan]

Mornin' All...

As we all who subscribe to viewing the numerous threads within this forum appear to have the common interest in the Honda ST's and as nearly all 1100's are considered to be historic enough to classify the marque under the Vintage Japanese MC banner, I am wondering if Members of this Club would be interested in seeking to formalise a path to enable members to club permit bikes through Ozstoc?

My thinking evolves from the activity levels within Ozstoc, which is a very good both from a communictative an participation viewpoint. However, I am fully aware that there are numerous other clubs that can be joined to put motorcycles on club registration. The issue is with many of those clubs, their membership is largely inactive and consists of grumpier old men, than myself.

Anyway, tis just a thought.

Cheers, the can :-)

[royst1100]

Do 1100's qualify for this type of rego and is it much cheaper

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[StinkyPete]

Here's a link to info about Historic Registration in SA.   https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/10439/code_of_practice_historic.pdf

One of the main conditions is that the vehicle is manufactured prior to 1st January 1979, and is essentially unmodified from OEM specs.

[Brock]

Section 6 of that document, talks about club recognition. OzSTOCwouldnt meet the requirements of a club

[Greencan]

Do 1100's qualify for this type of rego and is it much cheaper

The short answer is yes to both parts, here in Victoria, where the ST1100 has been eligible to by placed on Club registration since 2015 for machines with 1990 compliance. In Victoria, cost are (approx), $80 for 45 days usage and $120 for 90 days...both utilise a log book system. I have 3 motorcycles on club registration and plan on adding a forth in the coming month.

In Victoria to qualify, the vehicle has to be 25 years from it's first registration. I believe it is 30 years in both Queensland and in N.S.W.

One of the main conditions is that the vehicle is manufactured prior to 1st January 1979, and is essentially unmodified from OEM specs.

Peter, I am not sure why SA decided to venture in this direction, as you seem to be standing along on the eligibility criteria. Perhaps Mr Neville Grey (X Ulysses President), may be of virtue it maybe bringing SA into a basic line with other States. Dunno!

Section 6 of that document, talks about club recognition. OzSTOCwouldnt meet the requirements of a club

I am fully aware that there would need to be Ozstoc changes if, this were ever to be progressed. At present it is just a thought for discussion, no more than that.

Cheers, the can :-)

[jt8277]

Hi all,

Resurrecting this discussion as we are now in 2020, it got me thinking that my ST1100 will shortly be 20 Years old, and thought I might be able eligible for Club Registration, only to find out that it has to be 25 Years or older before that can happen.

What I wanted to do was resurrect this discussion to see if anything further had been considered bringing OZTOC in line with the eligibility that would make it a club VICROADS would recognize? as a club, and when it does come around, I can put my bike on Club Plates.

Thanks

J

[Biggles]

It would be helpful to know VIC Roads' criteria for a "Club" designation.  OZSTOC fulfils all the requirements I can think of except AGMs, and we could call our annual National Rally an AGM if that would help.

[jt8277]

Hi,

Very true, I am having difficulty finding any eligibility criteria for Clubs, only a PDF that allows you to apply, which has a few rules about maintaining a list of photographs of the vehicles in the club, but cannot see anything that refers to AGM.

J

[ruSTynutz]

It would be helpful to know VIC Roads' criteria for a "Club" designation.  OZSTOC fulfils all the requirements I can think of except AGMs, and we could call our annual National Rally an AGM if that would help.

You'll find Vicroads criteria here:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/apply-to-be-an-approved-car-club

 Club Permit Agreement: https://tinyurl.com/ydjoj4xu

 Approved club office bearers and scuntineers form: https://tinyurl.com/yjmhxfco

As you'll see, we'd need a President, a Scrutineer/Safety Officer & other Office Bearers for a start... 


 

[jt8277]

Yeah, I did find that thanks... I was sure there would be more than that...

I am sure we could sort that out... any volunteers...?

[ruSTynutz]

Here are a couple more links:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/car-club-permits

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/get-a-club-permit

[Williamson]

.... As you'll see, we'd need a President, a Scrutineer/Safety Officer & other Office Bearers for a start... 

Yeah, I found that stuff too, and reckon that they will be obstacles to be overcome.  I seem to recall that when out leadership was passed on from Streak to ST2UP, the reference to president was to be specifically avoided.   That was a few years ago, and times and opinions change.

.... I am sure we could sort that out... any volunteers...?

Not from here, and I'm forecasting that there won't be too much interest from others in Victoria.  And if each State or Territory has different criteria, there would probably need to be a number of volunteers in each State or Territory.

I'm sure that many of the OzSTOC members will be a member of an approved vehicle club or association (VicRoads' terms), eg. Ulyssess, Monarchs Motorcycle Club (to name two of probably 100's, https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/limited-use-permits/club-permit-scheme/car-clubs-and-associations), why not just tag along with one of those clubs?

[Williamson]

..... Monarchs Motorcycle Club .....

I mention the Monarchs because it seems to the club of choice for quite a few mates who have eligible motorcycles, and couple of very good friends who are on the Executive of the club.  Feedback from them is that is is very, very time consuming and quite a task managing the club permit scheme, keeping on top of any members who abuse the scheme (and I believe some have been kicked-out for falsifying logbooks).

I also understand that if members' abuse of the scheme is not adequately managed, it can lead a club's eligbility to maintain its approved vehicle club or association status being withdrawn, and many permits being cancelled.

[STeveo]

I would not like to see our happy little group go down the 'board of directors' road. There are many clubs that would be happy to have you as a member and give you the cheap rego. I am in the Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club Inc (vjmc.org.au) which is a worldwide club with a strong lot of active members in Victoria.

[West Aussie Glen]

any volunteers...?

Not here

I would not like to see our happy little group go down the 'board of directors' road.

 

[Yorkie]

A club has to be registered in WA and a member of WA motoring club to qualify for concession rego, vehicles must be 25 years or older, travel only permitted within 30K of registered address  unless approved by the club, if a member does not renew membership the club has to notify Department of Transport and vehicle is unregistered.

[jt8277]

A club has to be registered in WA and a member of WA motoring club to qualify for concession rego, vehicles must be 25 years or older, travel only permitted within 30K of registered address  unless approved by the club, if a member does not renew membership the club has to notify Department of Transport and vehicle is unregistered.

Wow, 'only permitted to travel within 30k of registered address' how can you go anywhere... glad Victoria is not as strict of either 45 or 90 days per year of usage.  My bike unfortunately is not old enough (could have sworn it was 20 years and not 25) - so I am going to TRY and spend 2020 recording the amount of days I use my bike this year and see if it falls within this restriction.

Never mind, I thought it would have been cool that this club could become one recognised by Vicroads, and others.  Normally I would volunteer to be one of the ones to help run it, but work is going to get way too crazy.  I will look into the clubs suggested.

Thanks

J

 

[Jdbiker]

I’m with CIMMA ( Classic Italy Motorcycle Club of Australia) . $30 annual membership. No requirement to attend meetings etc

[Brock]

OzSTOC, was never intended to be a club with elected officers, it was just meant to be a purely social group to help each other with bike problems, mods, and occasional get togethers.

To have official post holders (Pres, VP, Secretary, treasurer etc ) requires a lot of time and expense. To manage a historic database would also require personnel, time ,  resources.

As most of us still work, its beyond voluntary ability ( some cant eve get away for an RTE), let alone personal cost.

[Gadget]

OzSTOC, was never intended to be a club with elected officers, it was just meant to be a purely social group to help each other with bike problems, mods, and occasional get togethers.

To have official post holders (Pres, VP, Secretary, treasurer etc ) requires a lot of time and expense. To manage a historic database would also require personnel, time ,  resources.

As most of us still work, its beyond voluntary ability ( some cant eve get away for an RTE), let alone personal cost.

And I would love it to stay that way.

Elected positions creates politics and animosity.

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[Brock]

Elected positions creates politics and animosity.

And that wont happen while I am Sheriff, and can still carry a big stick
 

[Brookester]

Elected positions creates politics and animosity.

And that wont happen while I am Sheriff, and can still carry a big stick
 

Argh thats much better...nothing like an old fashioned dictatorship    

[Brock]

Its not a dicktatership unless I say so...

[jt8277]

I certainly opened a can of worms didn't I... sorry.

[Brock]

I certainly opened a can of worms didn't I... sorry.

Not so much, it was a good thought.

Worm can openers get smited severly..