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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ruSTynutz on December 11, 2023, 12:06:16 PM
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I was talking to one of our members at the RTE at Buxton about issues with emergency braking/lane assist in new cars and coincidently John Cadogan released a video on that very subject a couple of days later...
The worst thing about every modern car (Hint: It's 'ADAS') (https://youtu.be/oqIdpcGFrzc?si=riwe_Lm2lxpcBnCz)
I read my fair share of new car reviews and quite often there are complaints about some of the "so called" safety features in modern cars and how they either don't work properly or decide to work at the most inappropriate of times.
Most of the people I've come across usually turn off lane keeping assist as it can be too intrusive but, unfortunately it is turned back on when you restart the engine...which is obviously a pain in the bum!
All I can say is I'm sort of thankful our cars are a few years old so come with very few of these "safety features"... :thumbs
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There are lots of complaints from the Isusu/BT50 fraternity with lane assist and braking assist. Its not great off road when the car thinks there is an obstacle in front and brakes go on.. Lane assist is an annoyance, but if you use "INDICATORS" (BMW and Merc drivers are unaware of there use), you can change lanes without the car fighting you. The worst case is when dodging a sudden object in the way, and the cars fights the urge to doge it.
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The worst case is when dodging a sudden object in the way, and the cars fights the urge to doge it.
Even things such as potholes which are hard enough to avoid at the best of times! :||||
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Just turn it off under vehicle settings
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If it was a simply a switch you needed to hit to turn these things off it wouldn't be so bad but many cars require you to dig deep into the settings to turn them off which is obviously a pain in the butt (especially when you're in a hurry) and then, of course, even if you do go to that effort, the moment you restart the engine you're back to square one with them back on again! :cuss
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With the D-Max, turning off the lane assist is dead easy, press and hold a button on the steering wheel. The emergency braking is something else again and quite dangerous at times and immensely irritating at other times (doing Googs track with it's 300 plus sandhills had the emergency braking activated a number of times when a piece of leafy vegetation got too close to a sensor). The manual comes in 2 parts, main and the display thingy and they comprise over 1,000 pages so I don't often refer to them, life is too short.
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My Ford Ranger has both, and I have never had a problem with either. The lane keeping assist can be simply turned on or off by means of a button on the end of the RHS stalk on the steering wheel, and it remembers the setting through power cycles. I turn it off on our local road, because its a windy, narrow, unmarked "lane", but I always use it on the better roads and find it remarkably effective. Overriding it when forcibly changing lanes or avoiding obstacles is minimal effort.
The emergency braking has only actuated a couple of times in the last 80,000kms. so hardly a problem. I dont use the car for hard core offroad, but have done many outback tracks and roads, and never had a problem.
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I guess how it performs will depend a lot on the types of roads you drive on and whether there are lane markings or not...
With 80,000ks I'm assuming your Ranger is a few years old?
These days to achieve a 5 Star Rating, ANCAP protocols require "lane assist" to automatically re-activate every time you start the engine...
Without that requirement, the latest model Ranger would only achieve a 4 Star rating... :think1
Cheers :beer
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Can you not put a bit of black tape over the sensor? That is what my daughter did on a Mazda 323 she had and it never complained.
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I guess how it performs will depend a lot on the types of roads you drive on and whether there are lane markings or not...
With 80,000ks I'm assuming your Ranger is a few years old?
Cheers :beer
Been around Australia twice plus up and down from mid north coast to Canberra etc.
Car is only 4 years old (heading for 5) and has only recently been superseeded. I note that the latest models have moved the disable button to the steering wheel, but dont whether it survives an on/off cycle.
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> but dont whether it survives an on/off cycle.
It hasn't, if you can believe this article: https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-ford-ranger-everest-ancap-lane-keeping-software/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-ford-ranger-everest-ancap-lane-keeping-software/)
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Can you not put a bit of black tape over the sensor? That is what my daughter did on a Mazda 323 she had and it never complained.
I'm assuming you actually mean a Mazda 3, Steve? :popcorn
I think with lane assist it uses a camera to see painted lines etc so covering that up might be an issue for other functions... :think1
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> but dont whether it survives an on/off cycle.
It hasn't, if you can believe this article: https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-ford-ranger-everest-ancap-lane-keeping-software/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-ford-ranger-everest-ancap-lane-keeping-software/)
mmm!!, maybe I'll keep this model then. But who knows when Ford will decide to change the LKA button function to on by default?. Interesting that ANCAP mandate that it be difficult to turn it off.
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Can you not put a bit of black tape over the sensor? That is what my daughter did on a Mazda 323 she had and it never complained.
I'm assuming you actually mean a Mazda 3, Steve? :popcorn
I think with lane assist it uses a camera to see painted lines etc so covering that up might be an issue for other functions... :think1
It may have been a '3' (modern cars all look the same now) and she has a Hyundi now which has the turn off every time you start it.
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My car, which I have had since new, a Pulsar SSS is now 25 years old and the main reason I am looking at new one is to get ALL the new safety features. I drive a hire car a few times a year and love blind spot warning, reversing camera with guide lines that move with the steering and active cruise control. Also happy to live with lane assist. Had a Subaru Liberty two weeks ago and think it was one button on the steering wheel to turn off lane assist. Will also be looking for heads up display. Remember the days when people didn't like ABS.
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Cheers Glen... :beer
I'd be happy with just a reversing camera and active cruise. Happy to not have lane assist and to a lesser extent, emergency braking though as some of these systems can be too intrusive at times, depending on the car.
The fact that so many people want to turn them off suggests that some of these safety systems aren't as good as they could be and don't work with all road conditions.
As for blind spot monitoring, I understand it can be very helpful at times but, I reckon one downside is that it encourages drivers not to be as observant as they should be with many drivers not worrying about doing head checks etc...
Unfortunately, most of this stuff is becoming mandatory in new cars... :fp
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Recent data on safety systems like lane guidance and collision avoidance shows that you are 10 to 50 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
The computer responds far faster than any human.
My car has 8 cameras reading my environment at least 50 times/second.
Get a friend to hold a 30 cm ruler with the 0 cm between the thumb and finger with your finger and thumb at least 5 cm apart, get them to drop it without warning, and see if you can catch the ruler before it poses through. If you catch it, the cm and the rate acceleration of gravity formula will tell you how many seconds it took you to respond. It will be at least 1 to 2 seconds.
At 100 km/h, 1 second is at least 27.7 metres of travel.
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Recent data on safety systems like lane guidance and collision avoidance shows that you are 10 to 50 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
The computer responds far faster than any human.
My car has 8 cameras reading my environment at least 50 times/second.
Get a friend to hold a 30 cm ruler with the 0 cm between the thumb and finger with your finger and thumb at least 5 cm apart, get them to drop it without warning, and see if you can catch the ruler before it poses through. If you catch it, the cm and the rate acceleration of gravity formula will tell you how many seconds it took you to respond. It will be at least 1 to 2 seconds.
At 100 km/h, 1 second is at least 27.7 metres of travel.
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Advanced driver assistance systems ‘inconsistent and dangerous’ – report
http://tinyurl.com/yeynnxh8 (http://tinyurl.com/yeynnxh8)
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I turn off lane assist (one right-thumb button on the steering wheel, just a press and hold for a few seconds) when driving Helen's new Kia Sportage as I get tired of the incessant beeping when the car drifts over lane separation lines.
..... Remember the days when people didn't like ABS.
I remember when people didn't like car radios. Well, people may have been me, and that my have been because I didn't want to admit that I could not afford a car radio.
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I have mixed feelings about the ADAS and other fancy tech on my 2022 WRX.
Adaptive cruise is awesome!
Auto-cornering headlights (not exactly a new feature) - love it.
Lane departure beeps have taught me to be better at lane control and to not be lazy about signalling when changing lanes. However I do turn it off via the touchscreen menus for twisty roads.
Emergency lane departure steering correction is something I'd be happy to do without. However it needs to be disabled on every drive so I just live with it, except on twisties.
The Lane Centreing function that functions with the cruise control is great on long straight motorways but can be downright dangerous on twisty roads (as acknowleged by Subaru). It's just a press of a steering wheel button to turn it on / off.
The emergency braking would no doubt be brilliant in a real emergency but it has a tendency to panic and yell at me if, say, there is a car coming at me at speed in the other lane on a bend. Annoying, but one day it may be a life saver.
Auto-dipping headlights - really? I can do a better job myself but I don't think this can be turned off.
Overall - probably more plus than minus.
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:bl11. I drive a 2001 falcon traytop Ute ,it has very few electric interferences,electronic ignition and ABS brakes are about it .
Most of the repairs and servicing I can do myself saving about a $150 an hour these days .
My worry about these new cars is when they get older and a few Kay’s on them the gremlins are going to start invading
These electronic systems and it’s going to be very expensive to repair. Due to parts shortages and obsolescence happening
A lot sooner it may be a wrecking proposition It may be in the near future that motoring may only be available to those
who can afford a relatively new car ! The rest will have to take the bus.( No offence Bodo )
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The rest will have to take the bus.( No offence Bodø)
Take the bus. Just don't park it across anyone's driveway. :p
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:bl11.
My worry about these new cars is when they get older and a few Kay’s on them the gremlins are going to start invading
These electronic systems and it’s going to be very expensive to repair.
I remember selling my Nissan Skyline to a lady many years ago. Her husband came with her to look at the car and grumbled about the electronic ignition/electronic fuel injection etc etc, saying that he could fix his old cars himself but could never fix one of these if it goes wrong. His wife ignored him and bought the car anyway.
Yet electronic ignition and fuel injection are 2 very very reliable technologies and cars became far more reliable with them than without. (we all remember cleaning/adjusting points/spark plugs, forever fiddling with carburettors...).
My point is that automotive technologies are generally very robust and diagnostic tools to suit the increasingly complex technologies progress at just a slightly slower pace than the technology does, so although it sounds very difficult to imagine how one might fix something, once you have the tools its not so bad. And once you've identified a faulty module, you replace it unless you also happen to be an electronics enthusiast.
How many people have had their phone repaired at the local phone shop. I'm an electronics enthusiast and I'm always amazed that these guys can pull a phone apart and replace parts like the screen, USB ports, buttons, batteries etc.
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:bl11.
My worry about these new cars is when they get older and a few Kay’s on them the gremlins are going to start invading
These electronic systems and it’s going to be very expensive to repair.
My point is that automotive technologies are generally very robust and diagnostic tools to suit the increasingly complex technologies progress at just a slightly slower pace than the technology does, so although it sounds very difficult to imagine how one might fix something, once you have the tools its not so bad. And once you've identified a faulty module, you replace it unless you also happen to be an electronics enthusiast.
Unless you own a Jeep (from an "owned a Jeep once - never again" person)
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Unless you own a Jeep (from an "owned a Jeep once - never again" person)
There seem to be a lot of us about.
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After Sue & I attended the NatRally at Mannum last year we caught up and spent time with Sue's brother in Adelaide.
At the time he owned a Lexus Hybrid SUV and while he seemed very happy with it, he was considering upgrading to a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
as he figured with its 84km battery only range he could travel to work easily and not have to waste money of fuel.
He was also in the process of having solar panels and a battery installed at his home.
Fast forward to early this year and he'd had a change of heart and had bought himself a Tesla...
Well, the love affair with that didn't last long as I heard today that he's had a gutful and is getting rid of it and buying another ICE car...
Apparently there's been some issue with the Tesla braking and slowing down to 60kph on its own accord and for no logical reason while driving at highway speeds...something like that anyhow... :crazy >:()
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A good mate of mine, a retired electronics engineer, just upgraded from his Tesla 3 to a Dual Motor Model Y.
He was happy with the Model 3 and happier with the Y.
He lives in Perth and his sons live Bunbury and Yallingup so he regular does the 530 km return trip. Main reason for upgrading was his wife finds the Y much more comfortable and as the 3 was only the standard range he is enjoying the extra range of the Y .
One of his sons purchased the Model 3 for his wife.
As a side story, the son with the model 3 also has a new top of the range Ford Ranger.
Not by plan but the Model Y and the Ranger ended up side by side at the traffic lights and the ranger is still coming.
The other son has a BYD
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That was one thing I noticed in the time I spent in Perth recently, with the number of Teslas getting around, they seem to have taken over from the "Camry"...lol.
In regard to your friends Teslas, I'm assuming they've had no issues with the ADAS? :think1
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: :bl11. I took my phone in so I could get a replacement protective cover .it’s about three years old ,I was told the cover is no longer available and would I like to view the latest replacement.I politely declined.A customer of mine had a earlier BMW,I think it was a R1150 the brake assist module became faulty, a new one only available from Germany $3000 !!!! Nearly worth more than the bike .there are hundreds of stories like these and it’s not going to get any better soon especially for people who don’t have the funds to own a late model vehicle.
:bl11.
My worry about these new cars is when they get older and a few Kay’s on them the gremlins are going to start invading
These electronic systems and it’s going to be very expensive to repair.
I remember selling my Nissan Skyline to a lady many years ago. Her husband came with her to look at the car and grumbled about the electronic ignition/electronic fuel injection etc etc, saying that he could fix his old cars himself but could never fix one of these if it goes wrong. His wife ignored him and bought the car anyway.
Yet electronic ignition and fuel injection are 2 very very reliable technologies and cars became far more reliable with them than without. (we all remember cleaning/adjusting points/spark plugs, forever fiddling with carburettors...).
My point is that automotive technologies are generally very robust and diagnostic tools to suit the increasingly complex technologies progress at just a slightly slower pace than the technology does, so although it sounds very difficult to imagine how one might fix something, once you have the tools its not so bad. And once you've identified a faulty module, you replace it unless you also happen to be an electronics enthusiast.
How many people have had their phone repaired at the local phone shop. I'm an electronics enthusiast and I'm always amazed that these guys can pull a phone apart and replace parts like the screen, USB ports, buttons, batteries etc.
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I remember when seat belts were introduced and people complained about having to put them on as it slowed them down. Bloody things are a waste of time!
Mind you with all the safety equipment and sensors in modern day vehicles, we are still managing to kill ourselves at a great rate of knots!
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South Australia has had a disastrous year for deaths on our roads.
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Doesn't surprise me in some ways...
Ever reducing speed limits, advisory signs everywhere & many of these so-called driver aids are just dumbing people down, basically just encouraging drivers to not think for themselves...
And to top it off, millions & millions of dollars are being spend on wire rope barriers while actual maintenance of our roads & especially our rural roads are basically non-existent... :||||
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To put things in perspective, in 1970 Australia's road toll was 3,798 or 30.4 persons per 100,000 of population. This was the worst year on record and continually dropped through to 2020 (1,095 or 4.3/100K population). Since then there has been a slight increase such that in 2022 (the last complete year, 1194 deaths or 4.6/100K population). Every death is a tragedy but the figures today are so much better than 50 odd years ago (I understand random breath testing came in around that time).
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To put things in perspective, in 1970 Australia's road toll was 3,798 or 30.4 persons per 100,000 of population. This was the worst year on record and continually dropped through to 2020 (1,095 or 4.3/100K population). Since then there has been a slight increase such that in 2022 (the last complete year, 1194 deaths or 4.6/100K population). Every death is a tragedy but the figures today are so much better than 50 odd years ago (I understand random breath testing came in around that time).
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Here's a cut 'n' paste from a mid-2021 post in another Forum.
Having commenced working in road safety and traffic management in mid-76 at RoSTA (Road Safety and Traffic Authority) and progressing through RTA, VicRoads and (until recently) a similar role at Local Government, I feel I can comment from an informed position, rather than make uninformed assumptions.
If we go back to 1969, the then VIC State Government Declared War on 1034. For those of you too young or interstate and not know what that means, it was when VIC had 1,034 road fatalities in a year.
The State Government responded with injecting $M's into road safety (research, programs, infrastructure) and transitioned the Traffic Commission to RoSTA. The start was shakey with 1,061 fatalities in 1970, but quickly got on track as the number of fatalities start dropping, pretty steadily but some occasional slight set backs.
Year Fatalities1
1969 1034
1970 1061
1971 923
1972 915
1973 935
1974 806
1975 910
1976 938
1977 954
1978 869
1979 846
1980 657
1981 766
1982 709
1983 664
1984 657
1985 683
1986 668
1987 705
1988 701
1989 776
1990 548
1991 503
1992 396
1993 436
1994 378
1995 418
1996 418
1997 377
1998 390
1999 384
2000 407
2001 444
2002 397
2003 330
2004 343
2005 346
2006 337
2007 332
2008 303
2009 290
2010 287
2011 287
2012 282
2013 243
2014 248
2015 252
2016 290
2017 259
2018 213
2019 266
2020 not all data available
2021 hardly any data available
Note 1: Fatalities, this is the number of people killed in a crash, not the number of fatal crashes, eg. there was an incident in Plenty Road Bundoora in July 2010 in which five were killed, this one incident boosted the figure by five, rather than just one.
Pretty impressive, aye!
These results didn't follow one single initiative, it's just the cumulative result of many through the three "E's" - Engineering, Education and Enforcement.
Engineering - better roads and roadsides (clearing of hazards), roadside hazard protection (guard rail, wire rope barriers), intersections (traffic signals / roundabouts), vehicles & equipment (seat belts, helmets, ABS, airbags, crumple zones, 5 star ratings, etc...).
Education - driver / rider trainer, 0.05 BAC, 0.00 BAC, publicity re. seat belt and helmet wearing, etc ...
Enforcement - speed and red light cameras, BAC enforcement .....
Medical advances, (surgeons' skills, doctors, nurse, ambos and first resonders) fit in here, somewhere and no doubt have a positive impact.
Crikey, how many initiatives have I missed?
If you take into account that VIC's popluation has (approximately) doubled over 50 years, and with corresponding increases in the number of vehilces on the roads and km driven, without these initiatives a reasonable forecast of fatalities for 2019 could have been in the order of 2,100. Another way of looking at could be that an additional 40,000 to 50,000 fatalities may have occured, if not for any of the safety initiatives.
Rather than being cynical and criticising VicPol and VicRoads and looking for excuses to justify many of the poor decisions made when driving or riding, many of you (in this case in VIC, but probably the other State and Territories) could probably just appreciate what former and current Governments and Goverment Departments have done, and accept that some of you, your family and friends are here today because of their good work.
Phew! Time for another blood pressure pill.
Now in Dec 2023, some data on 2021 and 2022 will be available. I'll see if I still have access to VicRoads' Crashstats, if so, I'll have a root around in there and post an update.
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Not VicRoads', but Transport Accident Commission (TAC) data, just the past 20 years (to provide some perspective). It seems that Victoria is heading for its highest number of fatalities since 2009, but still less than a few years previous to then.
Year Fatalities
2003 330
2004 343
2005 346
2006 337
2007 332
2008 303
2009 290
2010 287
2011 287
2012 282
2013 243
2014 248
2015 252
2016 290
2017 259
2018 213
2019 266
2020 211
2021 234
2022 241
2023 295 (data on TAC site only to 27 Dec 23)
Might see if I can find some VIC population data and add a rate / 100,000 of population. That will provide some better perspective. Another element that needs to be considered is the distance travelled, but I don't know of any data collected on that matter.
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We seemed to have got off topic, to bring this back (on track) and more relevant to our Forum, what is concerning is the number of motorcyclists killed, eg. here are some screen shots from the TAC site.
1987
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9.5% motorcyclist
1997
(https://i.ibb.co/TPVWk9K/1997.jpg)
10.8% motorcyclists
2007
(https://i.ibb.co/NZG2Bsf/2007.jpg)
13.6%motorcyclists
2019
(https://i.ibb.co/3YTt97k/2019.jpg)
16.5% motorcyclists
2020
(https://i.ibb.co/Wky0N01/2020.jpg)
15.2% motorcyclist
2021
(https://i.ibb.co/gDrGBCb/2021.jpg)
18.4% motorcyclists
2022
(https://i.ibb.co/Ytq8t3d/2022.jpg)
23.2% motorcyclists
2023
(https://i.ibb.co/K6NN3Hz/27-12-2023.jpg)
16.9% motorcyclists
What do all of these stats really mean? If any anyone really knew, the solution to our overall road toll would be simpler than it seems, but the increase in motorcyclists fatalities is concerning alarming, perhaps that could be explained with motorcycle ownerships rates, number of km being ridden - here's a research project for AC or MUARC (Monash University Accident Research Centre), perhaps the motorcycle levy could be put to good use.
Probably can't be blamed on ARAS (Advanced Rider Assistance Systems), as compared to cars, motorcycles don't have as much of that technology.
:popcorn
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Rather than being cynical and criticising VicPol and VicRoads and looking for excuses to justify many of the poor decisions made when driving or riding, many of you (in this case in VIC, but probably the other State and Territories) could probably just appreciate what former and current Governments and Goverment Departments have done, and accept that some of you, your family and friends are here today because of their good work.
When you see the state of our roads, especially in rural areas I'll certainly be critical of the responsible bodies...
It seems they are happy to spend millions and millions on wire rope barriers yet don't have the funds to fix the roads.
VicRoads answer to our crappy roads is to just drop the speed limit instead of doing much needed repairs...and when they finally do any repairs, they are usually sub-par and break up again, sometimes within hours...
Oh, and Michael, go easy on those pills! :thumb
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When you see the state of our roads, especially in rural areas I'll certainly be critical of the responsible bodies...
It seems they are happy to spend millions and millions on wire rope barriers yet don't have the funds to fix the roads.
VicRoads answer to our crappy roads is to just drop the speed limit instead of doing much needed repairs...and when they finally do any repairs, they are usually sub-par and break up again, sometimes within hours...
Oh, and Michael, go easy on those pills! :thumb
They way I see it, I'm sure VicRoads and Regional Roads Victoria would happily put the necessary funds towards road maintenance, if they had it. It's the State Government that hold the purse strings and redirected $Billions and $Billions of VIC taxpayer funds towards other projects and have us the highest debt of any State Government in the Nation. The weekly interest repayments (let alone capital) would pay for all of the road maintenance where I "work" and the entire State's road maintenance needs could probably be taken care of within 12 months.
New roads and infrastructure are a State priority, there's plenty of photo opportunities with road and bridge openings. There's no front page or 6:00pm News benefit with a pot hole being filled.
Not sure if millions and millions has been spent on wire rope barriers in recent years, happy to be corrected though. Regardless, wire rope barriers save lives, if installed correctly.
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Not sure if millions and millions has been spent on wire rope barriers in recent years, happy to be corrected though.
Vicroads have supposedly spent $4 Billion on wire rope barriers since 2015...
They've also diverted funds set aside for road maintenance and put them towards wire rope barriers.
Regardless, wire rope barriers save lives, if installed correctly.
At the expense of other road users such as motorcyclists...
They often get installed contrary to Vicroads own guidelines.
Once impacted they can regularly sit for months awaiting repair, in the meantime they are likely to be ineffectual.
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After Sue & I attended the NatRally at Mannum last year we caught up and spent time with Sue's brother in Adelaide.
At the time he owned a Lexus Hybrid SUV and while he seemed very happy with it, he was considering upgrading to a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
as he figured with its 84km battery only range he could travel to work easily and not have to waste money of fuel.
He was also in the process of having solar panels and a battery installed at his home.
Fast forward to early this year and he'd had a change of heart and had bought himself a Tesla...
Well, the love affair with that didn't last long as I heard today that he's had a gutful and is getting rid of it and buying another ICE car...
Apparently there's been some issue with the Tesla braking and slowing down to 60kph on its own accord and for no logical reason while driving at highway speeds...something like that anyhow... :crazy >:()
Just an update on this as I caught up with my brother-in-law over the Xmas break...
Apparently his Tesla kept picking up speed limit signs adjacent to the actual main road he was traveling on so kept braking to whatever speed was indicated on the other signs. Not something you want when you have cars traveling behind you on an open road.
This is just one of the reasons I think some of this ADAS is crap. If it worked as intended 100% of the time it wouldn't be so bad but a search of the internet will find plenty of examples of it causing issues.
One thing he wasn't particularly a fan of with the Tesla was having to access the central screen all the time plus the fact that the speedo is also situated there makes it not particularly driver friendly. He agreed a heads-up display would be a much better option.
I actually found it quite refreshing that a Tesla owner was acknowledging that it can be a pain in the bum having to dive into a menu of the screen just to operate functions that could be more easily served with a simple button or switch... :thumbs
Anyhow, while he still has his Tesla, it will be put on the market soon as he's bought its replacement...not an ICE as I previously thought but a Volvo XC40 Recharge.
He drove that across from Adelaide and found it very nice although the quoted 500km range fell quite a bit short...he said realistically it was more like 300kms.
Oh, and he definitely appreciated the more conventional dash and switch layout over the Tesla...
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Just watched this John Cadogan video... https://youtu.be/4t8XmORWtuw?si=qGhfwafE2VOO6OyR
Apparently when replacing a windscreen in a Subaru, someone (from O'Briens) touched the lens on one of these "you beaut" cameras that make sure you're watching the road and aren't distracted.
To cut a long story short, Subaru says the camera must now be replaced at a cost of nearly $10,000...WTF! :crazy
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Just watched this John Cadogan video... https://youtu.be/4t8XmORWtuw?si=qGhfwafE2VOO6OyR
Apparently when replacing a windscreen in a Subaru, someone (from O'Briens) touched the lens on one of these "you beaut" cameras that make sure you're watching the road and aren't distracted.
To cut a long story short, Subaru says the camera must now be replaced at a cost of nearly $10,000...WTF! :crazy
Watch that vid this AM, I reckon that story ain't finished yet.
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You're probably right, Michael! :thumb
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In my opinion this can't come soon enough as this trend to control everything through an iPad like screen while driving is absolutely ridiculous! :||||
(https://i.ibb.co/BfBXxGr/Tesla-Dash.jpg)
Car makers told to ditch distracting touchscreens: Safety body will penalise models that don't have simple button controls
- Crash test body Euro NCAP to introduce rules around controls inside new cars
- Road safety experts are concerned infotainment screen are too distracting
- Brands including Tesla, Mercedes, VW and Volvo all have new systems that are convoluted or unnecessarily confusing to use
New safety tests due to arrive in 2026 will put fresh pressure on car makers to dial back confusing touchscreen systems that can be distracting for drivers to use on the move.
From January 2026, crash testing body Euro NCAP will introduce rules that downgrade the safety ratings of new vehicles that do not have buttons on the dashboard to control simple operations such as indicating and activating hazard warning lights.
Brands including Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Volkswagen and Volvo are today offering larger, more advanced touchscreens with more controls embedded into them that are convoluted to use while driving.
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