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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2012, 07:48:25 PM »
The smaller dies would be great for fishing traces.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2012, 07:50:31 PM »
I think that there are lots of applications beyond crimping, I just have to remember I have the tool!
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2012, 11:00:10 AM »
Think I got everything from Jaycar, except for the Anderson Plug crimping tool, got that on the net from www.agwholesalers.com.au

Hi Brock, does the Anderson plug need a different tool only because it's bigger?
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2012, 11:15:02 AM »
Like TerryDJ - I hads to get me a better crimping solution.       Wot thuh

Thanks for costing us $65.00 Brock!      :crazy

This just arrived today - 5 sets of dies (jaws) for different apps, and a nice ratchet crimp......




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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2012, 11:34:54 AM »
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does the Anderson plug need a different tool only because it's bigger?

Thats correct Rob, it needs this tool



Or the 8 Ton Hydraulic crimper with the correct jaws fitted
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2012, 04:21:30 PM »
Hey Brock, fantastic pics mate, a picture tells a thousand words, and these are really clear and concise. Well done mate, good work.  :thumbs :thumbsup
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2012, 05:06:47 PM »
Like TerryDJ - I hads to get me a better crimping solution.       Wot thuh
Thanks for costing us $65.00 Brock!      :crazy
This just arrived today - 5 sets of dies (jaws) for different apps, and a nice ratchet crimp......
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2012, 09:46:40 PM »
I used the hydraulic crimper for making new wire stays for yachts.
45 years as a sparky and used it about half a dozen times for that.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2012, 09:54:21 PM »
We sparkys can think side ways, comes from working with stuff you cant see that bites if you cockup..
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2012, 07:50:15 AM »
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2013, 06:36:48 PM »
Sorry for the delay just found out how to use Photobucket.

This is what I use.



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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2013, 02:53:56 AM »
Never trusted those crimping tools very much. Tried some, crushed insulators, cracked alloy tags - YUK !   :(
Which ever type is used, and admittedly some are MUCH better than others, I just never really trust them.  :p
Due to old habits and ancient training - I usually try to slide the insulating material back off the tag and up along the wire.
Then using pre-tinned end of the wire, solder the wire into / onto the tag.  :thumb
Where ever possible using only solid brass, copper or if needed, silver or gold plated tags.  :thumbsup
If possible, slid the original insulator back into place or insulate with several layers of 'heat-shrink' tubing.
The result, if done correctly, is a very low resistance join that has minimum electrical resistance (less heat) and tends not to pull apart.  :grin
Just my strange old fashioned was of doing things - but it's always worked very well on all my bikes from my first BSA 10 (back in 1966) to my current ST1100. (1998 Ex-WA Police) :hatwave



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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2013, 08:36:10 AM »
The crimping tool above Flip, is a very good one that doesnt damage the crimp. Its those nasty stamped metal ones that are rubbish. The crimper above means you can crimp all day, and the last one is exactly the same quality as the first. ( Mind you, the same can be said of the superchamp things, all crap)
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2013, 11:34:54 AM »
What you say about that crimping tool may be very true - but Brock, you must remember, that apart from electronics, I'm from the 'old school' of self taught bike-fixer-uppers in the back of dad's garage on old pommie bikes - BSA A10 - TRIUMPH T-110, things like that - where steel and pure physical strength was what counted   :cuss  >:()  :||||  - not technical the wonderful innovations of todays bikes.  :thumbsup

What can a few more ft/lbs of torque on this bolt hurt ?  :wink1   

MMMM ! Better tighten this screw up just a bit more.  :thumb   

Need to be sure this nut is tight enough - better belt the end of the spanner with a hammer a few times.  :wink1

This probably explains why I've started to leave most of the work on my ST to the properly trained mechanics at Honda these last few years - less self inflicted damage !  :thumbsup 

AND - more time for traveling / touring / riding !   :hatwave

After being away for a year - HOPEFULLY, I'll get the ST1100 back from it's check & tune-up today or tomorrow sometime !   :runyay

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Back to the left hand side of the road again instead of the R H side, riding the wrong way up one way streets, alleyways, footpaths or whatever gets you where you're going.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2020, 03:17:24 PM »
I have just updated the picture links for this post, seeing Photobucket buggered everything up and we have a lot of new members who might be interested in the art of crimping,
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2020, 09:35:14 PM »
Much appreciated, Brock!  :thumbs


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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2020, 09:22:21 PM »
Here is an example of why you should crimp, and what happens in the jaws of a Hydraulic crimper.

This is an Anderson plug pin that has been hacksawed in half and polished to show the crimp structure.



As seen through a digital microscope... ( and I thought it was polished, it sure feels smooth)



Really zoomed in, too bad its only 720P   you can see the boundary of the terminal and the wire, but not the individual wires.

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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2020, 09:52:28 PM »
Thanks Brock. Fascinating.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2020, 10:19:52 PM »
I think I will do examples of flood soldering in the Anderson plug and tinning the wire prehand, should be interesting
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2020, 11:02:58 AM »
I think I will do examples of flood soldering in the Anderson plug and tinning the wire prehand, should be interesting
I know you need something to do but:-

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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2020, 11:14:49 AM »
Precisely why I want to show the difference between just flood soldering and tinning then soldering the wire in.

Flood soldering may not penetrate the wire bundle fully.
I even made that suggestion on the video..
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2020, 01:21:42 PM »

Flood soldering may not penetrate the wire bundle fully.

Thanks.  I was very interested to hear what you had to say.  I'd always considered it a no-no, but my official soldering training was unofficial, and my 'skill' was regularly (and still is) mocked by the technicians I worked with.

Yet the guy on the video seems to think it's a good thing to do.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2020, 01:34:04 PM »
I found that using resin cord you get little build up of flux on top of the pool of solder thereby tinning the wire as it goes in. But I haven't destructed one to see that it did. A lot would probably depend on the state of the wire.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2020, 07:36:16 PM »
to tin a thick wire bundle, requires a pot with heated resin into which the wire is dipped. The wire is then dipped into a pot of molten 60/40 solder and held there for a little while to allow solder to heat the wire and penetrate.

The tinned wire is now inserted into the terminal end loaded with molten solder and help firmly until the solder has started to cool and set.
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Re: Wire Crimp (terminals) tools and wire.
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2020, 11:52:01 PM »
to tin a thick wire bundle, requires a pot with heated resin into which the wire is dipped. The wire is then dipped into a pot of molten 60/40 solder and held there for a little while to allow solder to heat the wire and penetrate.

The tinned wire is now inserted into the terminal end loaded with molten solder and help firmly until the solder has started to cool and set.
That matches the training I had on the High Reliability Hand Soldering course in 1991.

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