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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Construction and Major Projects => Topic started by: Brock on November 05, 2011, 10:24:26 PM
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Introducing my new trailer.
OK, its not too fancy, and needs a little paint,, :grin :grin
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6409.jpg)
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Looks good (BTW needs wheels) :)
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Ahhhh!!!!
I knew I forgot something, that explains why it doesnt tow to well at the moment.
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:wht11 PY
I thing you better change your tow hitch to one that has a 360degree ball socket for safety sake.
Haven't started mine yet not until next year.
Tipsy
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Here's a pic of mine before I put the Tow Bar on
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i379/scarp57/Trailer1.jpg)
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I'm using the same tow hitch I've not had problems so far
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The problem with an articulated hitch is that it doesnt comply with Aust standards, and can be a problem getting through rego.
I do plan to make/fit some thing tho...
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Mine has been mounted in a way that it swivels as well
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Pictures Please...
Any ideas gratefully received.
I want to do a trailing arm suspension as well, but it depends on getting a pair of small coil over shock some where
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Ok I'm going to be getting the trailer out today as I'm taking it in a couple of weeks to Quinninup for a FarRide RTE I'll get some photos & post this arvo
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The bloke that made mine used the same hitch as shown , and I have seen the bike towing the trailer on some weird angles following it through some 'high' :law speed corners and it has no dramas.
Hey Brock I'd throw in some shockies on also unless you want the "Harley" bounce. :rofl
Will be good to see the finished product bloke. Good way to pass the time if you're not riding, making extras/Farkles.
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Hi Tack,
I plan on sourcing some bike rear shocks, with the coils springs, no way would I be running on the rubber alone.
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Took some pics at the underside of mine, hitch is mounted on a shaft supported by bearings
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i379/scarp57/100_3120.jpg)
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i379/scarp57/100_3122.jpg)
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i379/scarp57/100_3123.jpg)
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I've had mine fully loaded leaned over at "good angles" too & quite good speeds if they are loaded right you won't have troubles.
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Thanks for that Scarp, I'm sure the guys at the Pits would fail the trailer for having a welded fitting in a bolt on device. Not that I couldnt engineer something suitable (If I had a lathe)
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No worries I know what you mean, I am surprised that the safety chains are attached by shackels yet were passed at inspection BTW I did not build this one it came up for sale & was too good to knock back :grin
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I had an opportunity to buy a second hand Classic trailer (the large one) last week for $1400.00 but unfortunately I've been paying out too much lately to be able to afford to buy it :-(((
I don't really need one at the moment, but 4 of my riding buddies have trailers, 2 have Classics and 2 have home made trailers and we're looking at doing some camping weekends soon so I'm sure I'll be able to make use of one in the future.
This particular one was green........not my colour at all!!
I would have had to paint it........now if it would have been white.......or even black :runyay
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Work has started on the frame.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6433.jpg)
Just gotta stick these bits together
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6432.jpg)
Should look a bit like this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6434.jpg)
A bit of form work to make sure everything is square.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6435.jpg)
makes for tight joints
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6436.jpg)
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A bit of glue
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6437.jpg)
A bit more form work for the other end
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6440.jpg)
A bit more glue and this is the result.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6441.jpg)
A bit of grinding and a bit more welding to do to morrow, and then to design and build the suspension.
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Looks like the end of year party for G clamps there :thumbsup
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A few more bits of metal burnt, more trailer parts sourced, photos shortly.
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Chassis with wheels temporarily in place
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6442.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6443.jpg)
Construction security
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/Helper.jpg)
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Trailing arm (and clamps)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6444.jpg)
Still have to work on the hinges, and find shocks.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6445.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6446.jpg)
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Still measuring, designing, and doing the drawings as I go. Of course the reworking as I come up with new ideas as I go. So far used up three rolls of flux cored mig wire, about 6 mtrs of 25mm SHS, 3 mtrs 50x25mm RHS and 2 mtrs of 50mm SHS, and 4 stub axles ( 2 were the wrong shaft size and its too late to change them after they have been welded)
If needed, I have an idea to make an articulated hitch, the local trailer parts place has shafts and bushes that are suitable.
Any one have a 2nd hand towbar for sale to suit ST1100.
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You are indeed............a man of many clamps!! (It's looking good Brock)
Trailing arm (and clamps)
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6444.jpg[/url])
Still have to work on the hinges, and find shocks.
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6445.jpg[/url])
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6446.jpg[/url])
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The welds are starting to get good as well.
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:wht11 py
Hope fully my welds will that good when I start making mine some time this year :-++
Tipsy
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When I finish it, I will post the drawings and the parts list to make things a bit easier for some one else to replicate.
The design is loosely based on a Bandicoot trailer.
I will also post some fabrication tips, like cutting long straight lines into the side of RHS
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Yes starting to look the part now
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More updates.
Fitting up hinge stand off to trailing arm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6448.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6449.jpg)
Jigged up for truing up hinge standoff (Gotta make sure the hinge is square)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6450.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6451.jpg)
used the straight edge to get squared up surfaces.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6452.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6453.jpg)
The finished job.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/IMG_6454.jpg)
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Dont like how the job ended up, so after work tomorrow, I will cut it off clean up and do it again. :|||| :||||
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You've lost me Brock..................I'm still trying to work out what the hell you're doing!!
It started out looking like a trailer.........................but now..............I'm not so sure!
Dont like how the job ended up, so after work tomorrow, I will cut it off clean uo and do it again. :|||| :||||
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Couch,
That is the trailing arm for the wheel/suspension. The trailer was just clamped together before just to see how it looked. The last pic is the trailing arm with the hinge sleeves on, I dont like the way it turned out, as the support doesnt look strong enough so I will cut them off and re do them. I have thought of a better way to attach them and it will look better too.
As with all projects, as you go on you can see a better way to do it, so you go back three steps and do it all again.
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I have no doubt whatsoever that you know what you're doing mate.................it's me that doesn't!!
I'm sure when it's finished it's going to be exactly as you'd hoped it would be!!
I built a trailer many years ago for an off the beach catamaran that I brought new. I had never even held welding equipment prior to beginning. I designed it myself, cut & welded it, then painted it with Galvit, and it served me many years until I upgraded to a larger Cat, which fortunately came with a ready made trailer.
I look forward to seeing the finished pics Brock!
Couch,
That is the trailing arm for the wheel/suspension. The trailer was just clamped together before just to see how it looked. The last pic is the trailing arm with the hinge sleeves on, I dont like the way it turned out, as the support doesnt look strong enough so I will cut them off and re do them. I have thought of a better way to attach them and it will look better too.
As with all projects, as you go on you can see a better way to do it, so you go back three steps and do it all again.
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Great work Brock, I'm VERY interested in this project, its exactly what I want to do. I will be relying on you to do the development and documentation so I won't have to re-invent the wheel (pun intended).
Above your avatar is "Tardis Tech", is that for the WA Police data system or "Dr Who"?
Cheers
Geoff
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Dr Who. I have nothing to do with the Police, apart from a daughter who wants to join, her boyfriend who is a copper (and some of daughters friends) and a few coppers that I know.
I have met a few on the side of the road occasionaly as well, tho not really a social environment.. :rofl :rofl
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Brock,
hopefully you are keeping a costing of all work done, so that we can place orders once you have finished.
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Oh no, I'm not making one for any one else. To register a self made trailer, I have to take engineering responsibility of the thing for the life of the trailer no matter who owns it.
However, I'm quite happy to help you build one, you just have to do the paper work for the VIN and the rego and take the engineering responsibility..
:grin :eek :rofl :rofl
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Brock I am sure you have thought about it, but just in case have you calculated your weight distribution so your swing arm location isn't too far forward or reverse of centre of mass to ensure the ball weight isn't too heavy or light? Better to be slightly heavy in my opinion.
When you go to registrar a trailer here in Qld also they don't want the rear overhang anymore than 60% of the measurement between the ball coupling, and the centre line of axle group. I presume this is similar over there mate, if you aren't aware.
Looking good so far and I hope you are happy with the outcome. Keeping burning metal bloke.
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Thanks Tack, yes I did think about it, I have the Standard for trailers downloaded.
The C of G at the moment is just where the forward taper starts so with my design, the axle pivot point is to the rear by about 200mm giving about a 3kilo load on the tow point. Dimensions are similar to a Bandicoot trailer.
Today just located bike springs/shocks to the size I wanted. Off a Kwaka Z250 or similar. Not to strong, and not to weak. Now to design and build the mount points. As with everything on the trailer, its over engineered. The mounts on the Z250 look positivelyweak compared to mine.
The pivot point and bushes for the trailing arm are 4 tonne bushes, mounted into heavy spring hangers. I dont think any thing is going to break in a hurry.
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Make sure you paint it a wonderful Red lustre when you are finished, Brock.
:dred11
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I dont think so :well :well :well :well
It will be a high speed white, (may be with blue checker stripe :grin ) to match the bike.
( Maybe with flashing red n blue clearance lighting. It would look cool, No???)
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Hey Brock if you're after some of that reflective checker - I MAY be able to answer your request. :whistle
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Well thanks Tack, of course, I will mount it upside down to prevent confusion...
:thumbs :rofl :rofl
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I wouldn't expect anything less of a man such as yourself Brock. :law :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Wasl planning on getting the suspension fitted over the Oz day weekend, cos its 4 days off. Dont thimk I can now as the temp will be around 40C. The air around me might explode if I strike an ark.. :|||| :|||| :||||
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I like watching the pictures of this project.
As you look at it questions arise and you ask why didn't he do..........?
Then the next image - it's been done.
Thanks Brock good entertainment.
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Yeah, I do that why didnt I do it that way as well. So I cut that bit off and remake it. I use a lot more material and welding wire that way. :crackup
Wait til you see the suspension hinges, talk about over engineer!!!! Its will be done the way it is cos thats the bits I could find. I dont have a full metal workshop in the back yard so have to make do.
If I win lotto, I will buy a workshop and fit it out with lathes milling machines, tube benders, sheet metal benders and other powerful stuff.
Then me mates can come and use it for their projects. :runyay :runyay :runyay :runyay :runyay
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Bit of an update, got the suspension loosely mounted. But dont like it will have to do some changes.
Note, at this point its upside down (Otherwise the box would be realy hard to fit.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6459.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6460.jpg)
The trailing arm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6461.jpg)
from the rear
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6463.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6464.jpg)
right way up
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6465.jpg)
After load testing, I found one of the shocks is soft so they will have to be replaced. Also I will need to fit over travel stops, so the suspension will return tp the normal place.
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I went back and look at where you started from. You have created a master piece. looks good back on its wheels.
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There is a bit of fiddly work in making sure the wheels are aligned, it would be much easier to put a bar axle and spings. But nowhere as much fun, after all gotta keep the old brain ticking over
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Very impressed.............look forward to seeing the finished product!
There is a bit of fiddly work in making sure the wheels are aligned, it would be much easier to put a bar axle and spings. But nowhere as much fun, after all gotta keep the old brain ticking over
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right way up
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6465.jpg[/url])
Hey Brock you won't need to load test it mate, there are big holes in the top for everything to fall through. :rofl :CB--
Looking good buddy. Your set up is very similar to the suspension on mine, and it travels like a dream. I have followed it at high speeds and sat very good on the road, and corners beautifully so I hope your works just as well bloke.
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Yes looking very good we are going to have to have a WA overnighter so we can all bring our trailers
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There's another record we could have the most ST's with trailers & owners wearing OZSTOC shirts
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I could have a record for my self.
Be the only one to turn up towing his own home made trailer... :runyay :runyay :runyay :runyay
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Well mine was home made just not at my home
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Well mine was home made just not at my home
+1
I have been to the home - does that count? :think1
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I'm beginning to think most of you belong in a home, but thats another thread. :beer :beer
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Hi Brock, :rd13 :hatwave :runyay
Thanks for your link ,it is great to follow your progress with the photos you are certianly putting a lot of effort into this project, it rearly looks as if it is coming together ok.
One question though. where did you source the wheels and tyres? , Sizes, and costs etc ? .
Thanks again
Cheers winston66 :beer :thumbsup :think1
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I got the wheels from here, if you dwon load the catalogue you can find all sorts of good bits.
My wheel is an 8" integrated rim and hub. If you will be using brakes, then its not suitable for your application.
Adding brakes to your trailer will add weight, and will probably mean having to use larger rims.
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If you add brakes you can stop quicker? :cop
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One does not intend to stop......
Not until the destination is reached.
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Ah but sometimes there is a idiot in a tintop between you and our destination.
>:() :phone :law :well
Tipsy
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:rd13 :hatwave :think1
Hi Brock,
I missed the link for the parts catalog could you please post it again.
I am interested , did you compute the weight gain/loss of the different suspensions ie. solid axel as against independant?, and your comment re. brakes requireing larger wheels, I feel that purely for safety reasons that I would like to incorporate overide brakes as a feature in my build. Do you have any further info. or comments please?
Cheers .
Winston66
:beer :thumbsup
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If your gunna go for brakes then I guess hydraulic is going to be the best option but really there is not that much weight in a bike type trailer to activate the braking system. Electric will be too complicated for a bike I think, as you'd need a controller tho the red arc ones can be concealed well.
http://redarc.com.au/products-and-services/trailer-brake-products/eb-series-trailer-brake-controller/remote-mount-electric-trailer-brake-controller (http://redarc.com.au/products-and-services/trailer-brake-products/eb-series-trailer-brake-controller/remote-mount-electric-trailer-brake-controller)
But like Brock say's your gunna need bigger wheels if you incorporate brakes & I don't think they are nessasary IMHO
:)
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Here is the link for the trailer parts catalogue. Just download it and have a flick through
http://www.trailerparts.net.au/catalogue (http://www.trailerparts.net.au/catalogue)
Here is a link to the specs for trailers.
http://www.trailerparts.net.au/pamphlets/VSB1_V5.pdf (http://www.trailerparts.net.au/pamphlets/VSB1_V5.pdf)
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Well trailer took 5 steps back today. Removed the rear cross bar that holds the Shocks. I am going to mount them a different way that saves weight.
The pivot supports for the trailing arms are off, didnt like the welds and it pushed the suspension down further than I liked, I also cut the hangers down and angled the a bit. I will also save a little weight here as well.
Ah well, as they say in monster garage, Sparks to fly and metal to burn.....
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OK where are the updates.
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Havent been able to do much, as I am back at work. Also as we are in a record heat wave with associated fire bans, I'm not supposed to throw sparks around the back yard. I may be able to finish the reworked suspension soon, and maybe paint the chassis. Then I have to save up for th aluminium to make the box ( and to get sufficient Argon for the welding) That wont happen till May or June, as I will be going to Thailand for a holiday (a surprise I know)
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:rd13 :hatwave :thumbs
Well hello everyone.
It looks as if I am realy enjoying my mid life chrysis. I bit the bullet a couple of weeks ago and purchased a kitset trailer from the easrern states, an Easy Trailer Tare weight 65 kgs. and just bolt it together Cost $490-00 delivered to Perth.
At the same time I grabbed a 320 litre rooftop cargo pod from Mals Perth $200-00.
I figure that I will be able to marry the two together.
So have spent some time between beers (remember my sons golden rule) if you do a job then having a beer is compulsary. experimenting wirh some rudamentry woodwork etc. in order to get some idea of a suitable lay out and some extra storage spsce. The basic trailer kit set was a little larger than the pod if I just wanted to bolt it on so I have constructed a 250mm. deep base storage unit that the pod will fit onto.
So far the whole unit weighs out at just on 95 kilograms, Which I feel is quite acceptable considering that I am hoping that I will be able to restrict all the goodies that I wish to pack including Water, Fuel, A tent Bed, an esky with the necessary refreshments including ice , some food and a small picnic type gas stove, as well as the sleeping bag and some clothes. Etc.
I am hoping that this wiil not weigh any more than 50 to 60 kgs.
My dad told me many years ago, that if you have some, Money, is the easiest and lighest thing to carry. This lets me out as I am now skint again.
I am sorry rhat at this stage that I do not have any pictures to show , but I am sure that you all will understand that this techno stuff is somewhat beyond my capabilities at this time, but hopefully I can learn some new tricks in the near future, and the let you into some of my secrets.
Well until that happens ,
Cheers to everyone,
Winston66, Northampton :beer
:rd13 :think1 :hatwave :runyay
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Sorry Brock ,
I did not mean to hijack your thread , but when reading your's I got a little bit excited.
Cheers ,
Winston66 Northampton,
:rd13 :runyay :beer
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One does not intend to stop......
Not until the destination is reached.
Great job old wise one, :thumb you might have to start your own trailer business. How about :spank trailers.
If you have to put brakes, you could maybe use motor bike discs/calipers .but as you said you will stop when you get to your destination.
Well done mate. Thanks for the break down. Look forward to more. :beer :runyay
Cheers Aj :blk13
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Go for it Winston,
Only condition is we gotta have pics
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We are having a trailer make of. Could you not get the balance right when you had to make the changes ? You could have a workshop and everyone turn up to complete it? :hatwave
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The balance is fine. The axle is about 440 mm behind the point of balance of the chassis frame, so will transfer a good amount of weight to the tow ball.
I didnt like the suspension mount welds, and the shock mounts were on a bar across the rear of the frame as well as sitting to high (or low depending on viewing point). They were cut off and re sized and re-fitted. Photos soon
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Hey Winston Sounds good We want Photos pleeeeze :hijacked
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Just wondering??? A few years back I picked myself up an old, like one of the first models of the Klassic trailer for a $1000 and maybe spent a couple of hundred on it for wiring and stuff. Its a ripper cause its just a fraction wider than the bike. So for a cost of around $1200 its a goodin. So was just wondering, whats it cost to build a trailer????
Do you think you could get your money back if you sold it. I know I could get more. Just wondering.
Heres my old Trailer
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/terryjohns/Honda%20ST1100/IMG_0454.jpg)
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Here is a pic of the suspension prior to removing it Note the trailing arm mounts and the cross bar for the shocky mounts. The arm is also is to be flipped to prevent over travel.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/IMG_6461.jpg)
The rear shock hanger after rework, notice there is a lot less metal, its harder to make but.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/RearHanger.jpg)
Reworked trailing arm mounts. Shortened, cut down from original U bracket
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/Trailingarmpivot2.jpg)
Trailing arm in position, no bolts but
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/Trailingarm.jpg)
Spring in hanger.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/Springmounted.jpg)
Spring bonnected to the trailing arm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/Springandtrailingarm.jpg)
Suspension with out wheel.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/suspension.jpg)
Still have to finish the trailing arm mount for the other side, make and fit box securing points, and leg for supporting the towbar when parked to work out.
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The latest pics were taken with my Galaxy Tab, a good bit of kit.
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They are good pics mate...................at least something's working right for you! :thumb
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The next trailer will be a piece of cake, all the techniques will have been perfected (the welding will be better as well.
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The next trailer will be a piece of cake, all the techniques will have been perfected (the welding will be better as well.
You are doing alright with the glue stick Bud.We know you like to use sticks :spank :spank :thumb :blk13
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:rd13 :hatwave :runyay :think1
My new trailer.
Took a lesson from one of the younger folk that reside with me, about this techno. stuff, so I am hoping that this will work, if it does not , it's not my fault.
Hopefully there will be some photos included with this.
They might not be in the correct order of the descriptions, but hopefylly it will all become clear , if not to me, maybe it will to you.
1st one, is the basic lay out of the under pod storage box ,which will house the Tent Bed, with side storage bin for longer stuff like a tent pole, or tools and other bulky or dirty stuff.
The ply top with the pod will lift up from the side in order to access the long side pocket.
2 one .
This is another view from the front, it is planed that the bed tent will slide in from an opening door which is accessed ftom the rear.
3 rd. one.
Basic idea with the 12mm. ply on top with the pod in position.
4 th. one
Rear view with the rear access door open in order to extract the tent bed ,and or other items such as the portable cooker, water, folding stool, or anything else without having to lift the pod from the side.
The rear door will have storage built into it, approx 800 by 150 wide by 100 mm. high for small items such as, warm beer supply, cans or dehydrated emergency food, cooking utensials, the afore mentioned stove and its fuel supply, and the myrid of other small items that will inatevially be aquired as necessary along the way.
5 th.
Another view from the side towards the rear.
6 th.
Top and pod moved sideways in order to show the longer side compartment which will be accessed when the top is lifted from above the wheel.
7 Th.
Top and pod still not fixed down, But pod opened up for stowage, photo from the front.
Other work still to be done is Fixing of the tail lights etc. provision for the esky at the front, possible storage for a spare 5 litre or so of ermergency fuell supply, I still cannot decide if that will be necessay, and probably some other items that I have not thought of yet, one just came to mind, that is , a spare suitable 12 volt motorcycle battery, as a possible spare whilst touring , ( sealed Lead Acid) complete with its own interegated charging circuit, powered from the bike, a special supplementry circuit ,this will be used for supplementry lighting as well as running a small 150 watt inverter for charging the android and or any other battery operated devices ,
No doubt there will be quite a number of modifications , and remakes of my origonal basic ideas , so if any one has any comments about the concept or anything that has been found to be usefull in practice ,your thoughts will be appreciated.
Cheers , Winston 66, Northampton.
:rd13 :hatwave :runyay :beer :think1 :think1
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:rd13 :thumbsup :hatwave :runyay
:beer
My new trailer,
Could not figure how to include the other three pictures with the previous blog,(post ) , so hopefully I can send through the others now,No 4 deleted. Because of total size of post.
Cheers
Winston66, Northampton,
:rd13 :hatwave :thumbs :runyay
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Interesting approach Winston, it should look good when done.
No need for an inverter to power Android devices, just get a USB 12V power adapter that plugs into a cigarette lighter socket. They are cheap and you will already have the USB cables. You only need an inverter to run something that needs 240V AC. To convert to AC and then use a plug pack is inefficient as it will drain the battery much faster.
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So where are the final piccies of this mammoth build Brock? Been 6 weeks since you said next one would be easier, so you must be at least halfway through that one too. :crackup
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I have been otherwise occupied Tack, and on holiday in Thailand for three weeks.... :|||| :||||
The fire bans over summer didnt help, as it seems the firies are not amused when a welder/grinder sets fire to the grass :grin :grin
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Anybody seen or have experience of the C-way Contour trailer from C-way in Ukraine.
http://c-way.com.ua/models/82-motopricep-c-way-serii-contour.html (http://c-way.com.ua/models/82-motopricep-c-way-serii-contour.html)
One of these, I want.
PJ
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Anybody seen or have experience of the C-way Contour trailer from C-way in Ukraine.
[url]http://c-way.com.ua/models/82-motopricep-c-way-serii-contour.html[/url] ([url]http://c-way.com.ua/models/82-motopricep-c-way-serii-contour.html[/url])
One of these, I want.
PJ
They look pretty cool! 8)
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How long do you reckon it'd take to make a body like that?
PJ
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Those single wheel trailers look good tho I reckon that it would put a lot of weight over the drawbar & on to the rear of the bike
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Been watching a US design that has an articulated drawbar. It seemingly takes almost all the snatch and bump loads out of the hitch. If you were to combine that with bringing the wheel as far forward as poss (with long'l stability in mind) and sensible loading I reckon it could give a setup that as far as achievable imposes the absolute minimum hitch load.
I should b using this layup time with the drawing board on me lap instead of nursey! Lol.
PJ
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Seen a couple of those single wheel trailers and when the lids off maybe the same room in their as a couple of saddlebags?????? kinda remember something like that being made in Australia for a bit more than a couple of thousand dollars but think the crowd ended up in New Zealand?????? Think they were called UNI-GO
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http://www.uni-go.com/ (http://www.uni-go.com/)
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Barry had one of he uni-gos for a while, as it came with his first LT1200.
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A simpler idea would be a light tube frame to hold the wheel and mount an ST sadlebag to each side with space in between for stuff.
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Brock's approach to this wins all the way. I just got an email from the Ukranian firm that builds the Contour trailer to match the ST1300. It's a nice trailer but not $3500 plus paint plus shipping nice.
So, if I ride again, can I copyBrocks's chassis design? Lol.
PJ
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Sure can if you wish,
I plan to do some decent drawings and post them, along with hints for parts n stuff.
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Its been a while, have just done a little more work. Fitted brackets to some of the angles to enable the box to be bolted down. Also painted the chassis (need to redo the paint in a few places). Need to get some wet and dry to clean up the axle surfaces, then pack the bearings with grease and fit the wheels for the last time.
So far, trailer minus wheels weighs 21.1 KG
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/Painted1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/Painted2.jpg)
The trailing arm right way down
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/suspensio1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/suspension2.jpg)
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Lovely crop of lucerne, bRock. Wanna borrow a harvester?
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Nice job Brock, what type of box are you putting on top and what do you thing it will weigh? :blk13
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Looking good Brock
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That is looking the business, Brock.
Do you reckon sloping the shocks and the swing arms as you have might help keep reaction down?
I've got a feeling you're going to find it'll ride a treat and I'm watching for those plans.
PJ
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Lovely crop of lucerne, bRock. Wanna borrow a harvester?
Not worth baling. Be a good use for round up!
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Thats the idea PJ,
As obstructions will cause (hopefully) a front to rear movement to be taken up by the shocks, the amount of bounce should be reduced. The angle of the shocks are carefully calculated and constructed guess work to give good loading without being too hard. The suspension should hold 150Kgs per side static and give when a bounce is applied. Also taken in to account was ride height, as I didnt want the chassis too high as that would limit the height of the box.
When finished, it should look something like this
http://www.bandicoots.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/trailer_regularcoot.jpg (http://www.bandicoots.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/trailer_regularcoot.jpg)
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It's coming along well Brock. I'm looking forward to seeing it soon.
:blu13
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Over here we are limited to 150kgs all up weight for a trailer so compared to many they are pretty
Lightweight but that weight figure so far for yours is encouraging.
PJ
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Looking good mate :thumb
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Nice one Brock :think1 :think1 :think1
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Legendary effort so far mate :-++ :-++ :-++
It’s great to get the chance to follow the build from nothing to trailer, keep up the good work :thumbs
Cheers
Shiney
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When you are ready to licence your trailer, buy chain from a trailer place.
I took my AliLite over to get licensed today, it got knocked back because the safety chain didn't have the AS stamped in it.
Off to Martins Trailer parts tomorrow to purchase some chain, which I'll have to weld on to the drawbar.
One would like to think that someday the states will get their ideas together and be uniform across the board.
:blu13
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Malcolm,
The chain is to be bolted not welded. A welded chain will get another fail. Welding will weaken the hardened steel ( so they say).
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Malcolm,
The chain is to be bolted not welded. A welded chain will get another fail. Welding will weaken the hardened steel ( so they say).
Strange that.......
We bought a new 6x4 trailer two years ago with one safety chain which was welded to the draw bar. Every safety chain I've seen on trailers and vans are welded.
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I have Just searched the standards, and up to 3.5 tonne chains can be welded. I was given duff gen
Kink to the standard http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2007C00494 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2007C00494)
Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 62/01 - Mechanical Connections Between Vehicles) 2006
14.3.1. Safety chains must be permanently attached to the trailer.
14.3.1.1. Shackles are not permitted.
14.3.2. For trailer up to 3.5 tonnes ‘ATM’, the safety chain attachment can be by welding.
14.3.2.1. the weld must extend around 50% of the circumference of the link and the adjoining link must have free movement.
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Yet my trailer was registered at Harvey WA & the chains are not stamped & are attached with Shackels
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Lovely crop of lucerne, bRock. Wanna borrow a harvester?
Not worth baling. Be a good use for round up!
Yeah now I know why he has such a high post tally doesn't waste time gardening :p
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I guess it can depend on the inspection station, I doubt it would get through over the Pits, but an authorised inspection station could go through. I guess it comes down to how well the Inspectors know all the rules.
P.S. I hate gardening, but with the wind at the moment the gras/weeds will probably blow away
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We take vans through Welshpool all the time some will knock them back for silly things just coz they can
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Nice one. :thumbsup
With it on its wheel you could get a permit and bring it into the maintence day? They have lights made for occasions like this. :hatwave
:wht11
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No tow bar for the bike. I could hook up some lights, and borrow the plate off my car trailer :thumbs :thumbs :p :p
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Now you are thinking of howyou can do it. :think1 We may see it there?
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Not realy, Even I wouldnt use a bungy cord to tow with. No way to get a towbar and fit it in 4 days. (No spare cash either
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We take vans through Welshpool all the time some will knock them back for silly things just coz they can
New Bike, Car Van dealers in SA can do registration from their site and includes used vehicles as well. They even have number plates on hand so they don't need to fo to the rego office to pick up a plate.
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P.S. I hate gardening, but with the wind at the moment the gras/weeds will probably blow away
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So do I Brock. My thoughts are 'if you can't do it with a brushcutter or roundup, it's not worth doing'.
My Grandfather said that the only flower worth growing was a cauliflower.
:bl11
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We take vans through Welshpool all the time some will knock them back for silly things just coz they can
New Bike, Car Van dealers in SA can do registration from their site and includes used vehicles as well. They even have number plates on hand so they don't need to fo to the rego office to pick up a plate.
Yeah all our new caravans are inspected on site by our own licensed people, they do have spot checks tho so all has to be done correctly. We still have to go into the licence centre for payments & plates tho & all expired, 2nd hand & interstate rego's must go over the pits still
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Stalled,
I still need to get the aluminium to make the box. to do that I need to get a towbar fitted to my crappy car. That wont happen any time soon, as I'm off to thailand in 2.5 weeks for 5 weeks
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Do you want some pity then :rofl
Stalled,
I still need to get the aluminium to make the box. to do that I need to get a towbar fitted to my crappy car. That wont happen any time soon, as I'm off to thailand in 2.5 weeks for 5 weeks
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Stalled,
I still need to get the aluminium to make the box. to do that I need to get a towbar fitted to my crappy car. That wont happen any time soon, as I'm off to thailand in 2.5 weeks for 5 weeks
6x4 and a car here Brock. If you ask nicely I also have an 8x5 enclosed box trailer too.
:blu13
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The trailer I have Guys, thanks. but since the engine of my 4x4 got full of sand I dont have anything to tow it with
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Brock,
I'm curious. How does a 4WD engine get full of sand?
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I dont know, Son took it out with some of his mates into the sand dunes, came bacvk with carbie full of sand. Aircleaner hadnt been removed.... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Good news, it was a cheap triton ute that wasnt worth repairing.
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Good news, it was a cheap triton ute that wasnt worth repairing.
Surely it's not impossible to clean a carbie. Alternatively, a wrecker would have one for reasonable bucks.
As for lending the Youth Of The Nation your vehicles... I thought you would be old enough to know better!
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A vacuum cleaner go the sand out of the carbie, but not out of the cylinders. They had a very nasty grating grinding noise coming out,,, :well :well
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A vacuum cleaner go the sand out of the carbie, but not out of the cylinders. They had a very nasty grating grinding noise coming out,,, :well :well
WD40 sprayed liberally should fix that...
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Hypo 80/90 would work as well, but I would need a 200 litre drum in the tray with a constant dleivery just to keep the compression up :grin :grin
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May work Gavo, but not for long.... :|||| :|||| :||||
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Question re tyres/rims
Are you going tubeless or is that a pourous alloy rim that dictates it to be a tubetype tyre required ?
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They have a tube, dont think a tubeless valve has room to fit.
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Now you are back from Thailand 8). Do you want to pick up the metal for your trailer :think1. I have a ute and or a trailer. :hatwave
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Gee you guys are pushy....
My son is going to order the metal through his work, and will be able to cut it to size on the guillotine. I will just have to pick up the cut bits and glue them together. Just need money now.
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Just trying to get it finished for you before summer time. It is good that your son can cut the sheets. Glue it together with sikaflex. It holds buses and trucks together.
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I plan om using electric glue Johno, dont know that sika flex would have the torsional strength to hold the the thing together at 300ks per :grin :grin
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You are right with that. Thought about rivets? :think1
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So is it done? Piccies please.
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Its still just the chassis leaning against the wall, must get around to making the box. Trips to Thailand uses up spare money and time.
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Oh, that's a pity - such an interesting project too . . . What you've posted so far was an interesting read and what work you've done very impressive . . . . Looking fwd to pics of finished trailer and report on how well it tows . . . .
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I keep thinking we need a trailer when touring, but we have just packed for nearly 2 weeks on the road (motels) for the both of us, using the Topbox, panniers and a small petrol tank bag, and that includes carrying all the boy fix my bike stuff. :popcorn
Pockey ;-*
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Nothing to update on the trailer yet, but I have started work on proper drawings.
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How’s the progress ?
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How’s the progress?
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How’s the progress?
See post above..
P.S. Still in Thailand
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Still in Thailand should be your "out of office" reply. :Stirpot