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Honda ST1300 Section => Tyres...to suit your ST1300 => Topic started by: alans1100 on August 09, 2018, 11:20:12 PM

Title: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 09, 2018, 11:20:12 PM
New rear Bridgestone of some type fitted today over at Northern Motorcycles in Port Augusta.

Looking at the code on the receipt it maybe a BT54 which I thought were long dead; cost $270 fitted.

However the RH exhaust clamp is a no go. It's rusted and broke while tightening the bolts. New one ordered and they'll post it when it arrives; cost around $30. Have the old clamp at home so I can remove the bolts; fairly expensive it seems.

No difference in the exhaust note so the clamp may have just been sitting there not doing anything. There's always been some back firing which could be caused by cold air getting in at that point when you back off the throttle.

Not sure what was on the back but I did see Road Pilot on the side wall while checking out for the leak.
The bike shop in Mandurah fitted an Angel ?? on the front.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Skip on August 10, 2018, 02:23:37 PM
Will be interesting to see how you fare with the Bridgestone. I didn't find they wore very well. The Pilot Road is a Michelin which a lot of us are running on the 13's. I got 28,000 out of my last rear PR4. The Angel is a Pirelli I think.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 17, 2018, 05:50:30 PM
The previously mentioned RH exhaust clamp that was ordered arrived today and rather than the bike shop post it we're riding over in the morning and hopefully it can be fitted if we hang around for awhile; bike has to cool off anyway so we can wall over the hill to KFC.

I took the old clamp down to the tyre place in town and the bolts were successfully removed and some anti-seize stuff applied. Have no idea how the clamp and bolts have been treated and I couldn't budge them which is why I took them when getting fuel for tomorrow's ride.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on July 24, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
Will be interesting to see how you fare with the Bridgestone. I didn't find they wore very well.
So far it's done around 8,000 km with and estimated 2000 plus of life yet. It will need replacing after the border run.

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: West Aussie Glen on July 24, 2019, 10:12:17 PM
A hammer, a section of scaf tube and some gentle persuasion mean that you don't need to take the RH hand muffler off to remove the axle  :grin
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on July 25, 2019, 12:12:22 AM
A hammer, a section of scaf tube and some gentle persuasion mean that you don't need to take the RH hand muffler off to remove the axle  :grin
The dealer did the last tyre change and I don't know what he did but to me I reckon just undoing the exhaust mount on the frame and the muffler should lift enough for the axle to come out.

Just a shoddy design compared to the 1100

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: West Aussie Glen on July 25, 2019, 12:27:37 AM
A hammer, a section of scaf tube and some gentle persuasion mean that you don't need to take the RH hand muffler off to remove the axle  :grin
The dealer did the last tyre change and I don't know what he did but to me I reckon just undoing the exhaust mount on the frame and the muffler should lift enough for the axle to come out.

Just a shoddy design compared to the 1100
Fairly sure that does not give you enough movement. Hard to understand why the 1100 muffler has the clearance but not the 1300
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on July 25, 2019, 02:13:20 AM

Fairly sure that does not give you enough movement. Hard to understand why the 1100 muffler has the clearance but not the 1300
1100 mufflers are designed at the bottom with an hemispherical section to allow the axle bolt to slide out.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: West Aussie Glen on July 25, 2019, 06:27:30 PM

[/quote]1100 mufflers are designed at the bottom with an hemispherical section to allow the axle bolt to slide out.
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With the help of a hammer and scaf pipe so are the staintunes on my 1300
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 05, 2019, 05:54:50 PM
Will be interesting to see how you fare with the Bridgestone. I didn't find they wore very well.
So far it's done around 8,000 km with and estimated 2000 plus of life yet. It will need replacing after the border run.



Never made it to the Border Run after a puncture. http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=13210.msg1257534#msg1257534 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=13210.msg1257534#msg1257534)

Out with a bit of soap and found a small hole which could have been made by anything and whatever caused it was long gone.

It's small enough to plug but given the estimated remaining tyre life (about 2,000 km) it's probably better to just replace it. Though it could be good time to at least see if the tyre plugs I have do work.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Brock on August 05, 2019, 06:01:52 PM
Nothing to lose by trying.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: cravenhaven on August 06, 2019, 08:07:08 AM
Got a puncture in a very worn rear tyre while leaving a camp site in northern California on the day before it had been booked it in for replacement. I used some old puncture repair plugs that were very difficult to get in because the "goo" was quite dry. Anyway, I struggled for an hour or so and then inflated the tyre with 3 of those little gas bottles and that bought the pressure up to just under 20psi. Enough to ride to a servo and pump the tyre up to full pressure. Rode for 6 hours to the place I had booked and the tyre held pressure without a problem. I was seriously impressed given the difficulty of the repair.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 13, 2019, 03:34:37 PM
First fine day in over a week so I went to the 1300 and plugged the hole in the rear tyre.

I wasn't sure how to do it but sometimes YouTube is your friend https://youtu.be/M5_nK8V-nU0

I waited on the repair to dry for about an hour before I let the air compressor loose and now waiting to see what happens.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Brock on August 13, 2019, 09:28:16 PM
I use the stopngo tyre plug kit

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-joelpltxr8/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2151/1598/trav002__51523.1551836908.jpg?c=2)

It is dead easy to use, much easier than the goey rope things, and not as messy

can be had here.

https://www.ebay.com.au/p/Stop-Go-Pocket-Tire-Plugger-for-Tubeless-Tires-1000/1244598871 (https://www.ebay.com.au/p/Stop-Go-Pocket-Tire-Plugger-for-Tubeless-Tires-1000/1244598871)

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 13, 2019, 11:41:12 PM
The last time I checked the tyre was about 5:30 pm local time and as far as I could tell still had pressure. Kicked the tyre and it seemed solid enough.

I use the stopngo tyre plug kit
Thanks, a bit pricey compared to mine.

The plugs I bought cost $12 about five years ago from the local supermarket. They have been sitting in the trailer for about that long and not needed on the 1100.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on August 16, 2019, 01:21:56 AM
Pressure holding with my first ever attempt at plugging a tyre.

Rode the bike down the shop today and with the 1100 now off the road with the gear selector issue I'm thinking of taking the 1300 for Saturday's RTE which is around 170 km away. Though I would also be taking the repair kit and compressor with me; thinking of Murphy's law.

Knowing that this supposed to be fix just to get you home or to a place of repair there are quite a few comments on the video suggesting the plugs have lasted until it's time to replace the tyre at the end of its useful life

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Bodø on August 16, 2019, 04:49:44 AM
My plug I fixed in North Bourke on my four state tour lasted until I had an unrelated puncture on the Great Ocean Road thousands of kilomtres later.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on September 27, 2019, 09:10:16 PM
I decided to support our local tyre dealer with the next set of tyres for our 1300A and get some Bridgestone T31 GTs. Hopefully they do better than the current BT 54 which has done 10,500 km. They're getting a price for the rear and if all goes well should be on by the end of next week.

Now all i have to do is work out how to get the wheel off or at least see how different it is to doing the 1100.

By the way I had to do another puncture repair on the same tyre - makes two punctures on the same rear tyre.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Brock on September 27, 2019, 10:02:43 PM
I believe that removal is pretty much the same as the 1100, except that the right muffler needs to come of to remove the bolt.

Michelin PR4 is the way to go for wear and handling, in excess of 20000 ks but they arent cheap ( but cheaper than 2 cheap tyres at half the distance)
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Itdepends on September 29, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
You don’t need to remove the muffler,. Once the rear muffler mount bolt is removed there’s enough flex in the muffler to push it up and slide the axle bolt out.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on September 30, 2019, 01:16:05 PM
You don’t need to remove the muffler,. Once the rear muffler mount bolt is removed there’s enough flex in the muffler to push it up and slide the axle bolt out.
That works for me.

Looking at the parts diagram it's a lot better than the 1100 and less to go wrong.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Jdbiker on September 30, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
I just remove the two mounting bolts, slacken clamp nuts and flip exhaust down.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: doggy & Nola on October 01, 2019, 06:50:25 AM
hello  guys and girls have got my 2008 st 1300 Pain European with about are 78,000 k’s on it I’m looking to change exhaust pipes to make a little bit more nicer sounding improved low down  talk and little bit so is anyone that’s ideas for me please cheers 🍻  :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Williamson on October 01, 2019, 09:03:49 AM
...... I’m looking to change exhaust pipes to make a little bit more nicer sounding improved low down  talk and little bit so is anyone that’s ideas for me please cheers .....

Take your pick, but a bit (?) expensive!
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=honda+st1300+exhaust&_sacat=0&_sop=16 (https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=honda+st1300+exhaust&_sacat=0&_sop=16)

I too would like the ST to have a bit of a "note", but not sure if any of these will improve low down torque, either way I can't justify the costs.

On the matter of torque, the ST1300 is nowhere near as torquey and the CB1300 (that the ST replaced).  The ST's gearing is higher than the CB's to the point where the ST's 4th is the equivalent to the CB's 5th.  On a regular ride to Noojee (don't forget the RTE Sunday 13 October), I would only need to occasionally drop too 4th gear on the CB, whereas on the ST 3rd gear is used frequently, and 2nd gear is also needed at times - if riding is spirited.  Perhaps the 80kg difference in mass is imprtant here.

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Brock on October 01, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
Nothing will change the ST torque curve, its very flat, many have tried various expensive methods but nothing works.

On the 1100, I rarely change down, even going through the hills, just wind on throttle as required.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 01, 2019, 02:28:54 PM
Nothing will change the ST torque curve, its very flat, many have tried various expensive methods but nothing works.

On the 1100, I rarely change down, even going through the hills, just wind on throttle as required.
I find same for 1300 as well - only significant bit of road around here that goes up hill is over at Horrocks Pass otherwise 5th gear is good for everything out of town. 
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Williamson on October 01, 2019, 02:59:08 PM
On the 1100, I rarely change down, even going through the hills, just wind on throttle as required.

I find same for 1300 as well - only significant bit of road around here that goes up hill is over at Horrocks Pass otherwise 5th gear is good for everything out of town.

If that's the case, you guys would've loved the CB1300.

..... whereas on the ST 3rd gear is used frequently, and 2nd gear is also needed at times - if riding is spirited. 

Might explain my high fuel consumption averaging around 6.0 litres / 100km, and my tyre wear.

.... only significant bit of road around here that goes up hill is over at Horrocks Pass ..... 

Mmmmm ............ a lovely bit of road, but it may be explained by the 55km/h (advisory signed) curves through Horrocks Pass (4th gear?), compared to the some of the roads around Noojee with 20km/h (advisory signed) curves - a bit low for 3rd, 4th or 5th gear.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Biggles on October 02, 2019, 09:07:09 AM
The ST1300 just sings going up most mountains in third gear, only needing 2nd for the tightest hairpin bends.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Williamson on October 02, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
The ST1300 just sings going up most mountains in third gear, only needing 2nd for the tightest hairpin bends.

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Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 07, 2019, 05:57:43 PM
An interesting time on the 13 was had this afternoon.

With the expected arrival of one new rear tyre I decided to pull the rear wheel out and knowing that it being the first time for me on the 1300 I expected it somewhat easier than it was. The only part that went as it should was removing the rear mud guard with perhaps the RH muffler as easy because it had been loosened off last year by the dealer for the tyre change I got them to do; except the clamps could have been a little tighter.

The LH side was a different story and the same as the 1100 except that I couldn't loosen the caliper retaining bolt with the same 14 mm spanner that I use on the 1100; even tapping the spanner with a hammer it didn't move so it was time for the ratchet and socket but that meant I had to move the LH muffler out the way to get at the bolt.

I sprayed the clamp bolts and loosened them off and then the other two (1100 has only one) bolts and moved the muffler out of the way. One ratchet and a 14 mm socket later it was out and then it was time to attack the axle but no axle spanner in the bike's tool kit so out to the 1100 for it's tool kit and the 27 mm spanner which is all I need on the 1100 but I couldn't budge the nut. Tapped the spanner with the hammer and just got it to move but it's so tight I can barely move it; and that's where I got until I can see if I can borrow a 27 mm socket or spanner from the tyre dealer in town.

All I can say is that the two bolts must have been torqued which I never do on the 1100.

I'll be looking at getting a 27 mm (maybe 24 mm for the front) socket or spanner just for the 1300.

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Brock on October 07, 2019, 06:47:24 PM
The previous tyre change may have been done with a rattle gun, so un-neccesary for a bike.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 07, 2019, 09:50:47 PM
Also noticed a couple of rusty bolts holding up the mufflers but they can wait until the next tyre change.

Getting a ratchet spanner or something like this

(http://www.imghostr.net/images/2019/10/07/9e4db066434cf49b91850b6374958406.jpg)


for the 1300. Should have done it years ago for the 1100 but the supplied spanners in the tool kit were enough.

I checked the front axle bolt as well and it's different size to the 1100 which uses a 24 mm spanner where the 1300 uses a 22 mm but I have a socket for that.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 08, 2019, 01:51:22 PM
After borrowing a 27 mm spanner from the tyre dealer I managed to get the nut loose but only after discovering that I needed an Allen key to hold the axle from the other side which is different to the 1100 set up. I still couldn't loosen the nut until said Allen key had a 1 metre pipe off cut placed onto it for more leverage.

The how to in the owners manual only mentions to remove the rear mud guard and remove the caliper retaining bolt and axle nut and reverse the method for reinstall and of course the torque numbers for tightening it up.

The only other hassle I had was getting the caliper mount free so I could get the wheel out; I had to tap it up with a hammer to even move it and then there's very little room to place it when you do get it out. It's all to easy on the 1100; do you think I'm biased?

Anyway the wheel is down at the tyre dealer and with the tyre having arrived today I could have it back late this afternoon or tomorrow.

Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Williamson on October 08, 2019, 06:08:28 PM
An interesting time on the 13 was had this afternoon.

With the expected arrival of one new rear tyre I decided to pull the rear wheel out and knowing that it being the first time for me on the 1300 I expected it somewhat easier than it was. The only part that went as it should was removing the rear mud guard with perhaps the RH muffler as easy because it had been loosened off last year by the dealer for the tyre change I got them to do; except the clamps could have been a little tighter.

The LH side was a different story and the same as the 1100 except that I couldn't loosen the caliper retaining bolt with the same 14 mm spanner that I use on the 1100; even tapping the spanner with a hammer it didn't move so it was time for the ratchet and socket but that meant I had to move the LH muffler out the way to get at the bolt.

I sprayed the clamp bolts and loosened them off and then the other two (1100 has only one) bolts and moved the muffler out of the way. One ratchet and a 14 mm socket later it was out and then it was time to attack the axle but no axle spanner in the bike's tool kit so out to the 1100 for it's tool kit and the 27 mm spanner which is all I need on the 1100 but I couldn't budge the nut. Tapped the spanner with the hammer and just got it to move but it's so tight I can barely move it; and that's where I got until I can see if I can borrow a 27 mm socket or spanner from the tyre dealer in town.

All I can say is that the two bolts must have been torqued which I never do on the 1100.

I'll be looking at getting a 27 mm (maybe 24 mm for the front) socket or spanner just for the 1300.

After borrowing a 27 mm spanner from the tyre dealer I managed to get the nut loose but only after discovering that I needed an Allen key to hold the axle from the other side which is different to the 1100 set up. I still couldn't loosen the nut until said Allen key had a 1 metre pipe off cut placed onto it for more leverage.

The how to in the owners manual only mentions to remove the rear mud guard and remove the caliper retaining bolt and axle nut and reverse the method for reinstall and of course the torque numbers for tightening it up.

The only other hassle I had was getting the caliper mount free so I could get the wheel out; I had to tap it up with a hammer to even move it and then there's very little room to place it when you do get it out. It's all to easy on the 1100; do you think I'm biased?

Anyway the wheel is down at the tyre dealer and with the tyre having arrived today I could have it back late this afternoon or tomorrow.


Phew!!!   Thanks for reminding me why I take the ST13 to the tyre fitter.  And you're only half-way through the job.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 09, 2019, 12:17:08 AM
Since the rear wheel is out I thought it a good time to grease up the caliper and the pad retainer pin needed an extension on the Allen key to loosen it so I could get the pads out to separate the caliper. All good to go with new pads needed within the next 5 or 6,000 km.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 09, 2019, 12:18:31 AM


Phew!!!   Thanks for reminding me why I take the ST13 to the tyre fitter.  And you're only half-way through the job.
Call it a learning thing - next time will be quicker.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 09, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
All done and ready to roll though I did have a hassle getting the caliper back in place.

While the caliper was apart the little retainer bracket fell out and though I did put it back it was in the wrong way and I wondered why the caliper wouldn't go back in place. Once the error was discovered and fixed it drop into place and somewhat easier than removing it.

Apart from needing new pads and replacing a couple of rusty bolts all seems ok at the back end.

The rear BT54 that I replaced managed 10,500 km which on average is 2,000 better that I get on the 1100.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on October 28, 2019, 05:21:10 PM
Time for my first 1300 front tyre change over with a T31 GT ordered today and with luck should be here for Friday. Cost for the front is $219.

 
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Itdepends on November 06, 2019, 11:21:56 PM
Theres a few o ringsthat should be replaced when doing the rear and its a good idea to clean and regrease the splines and check the wheel bearings at the same time.

Honestly the only thing that I find a little tricky with the 1300 rear is getting the spline engaged to get the wheel into place when refitting.

The front is a bit more interesting, after I’ve unbolted everything I get the better half to pull the front tyre out while I lean on the rear seat (with the bike on the centre stand and previously jacked up to just below the teeter point). That lets me get the front tyre out without messing about and taking the front mudguard off.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on November 07, 2019, 12:52:09 AM
Theres a few o ringsthat should be replaced when doing the rear and its a good idea to clean and regrease the splines and check the wheel bearings at the same time.

Honestly the only thing that I find a little tricky with the 1300 rear is getting the spline engaged to get the wheel into place when refitting.

The front is a bit more interesting, after I’ve unbolted everything I get the better half to pull the front tyre out while I lean on the rear seat (with the bike on the centre stand and previously jacked up to just below the teeter point). That lets me get the front tyre out without messing about and taking the front mudguard off.
O rings were ok but next time I'll more than likely change them plus with hopefully a little more time I can check the cush drive while I'm at at.

Our 1100 still has all but one of the original wheel bearings at 219,000 km so at the moment not a big concern.

I'm used to removing the front half of the 1100A mudguard and Heather usually gives it a clean and the 1300 mudguard will most likely come off

The rear caliper gave me an impression of not quite releasing after brakes were released but after a pad inspection and the caliper greased it seems to be better.

Front calipers will be getting greased up as well and the pad inspection will determine if new pads are needed sooner rather than later; estimated 5000-10,000 km left on the rear pads.

----------------------------

New tyre arrived on Tuesday and getting fitted next Wednesday and ready for a trip to the city on the weekend.

between now and then I need to replace the serpentine/drive/fan belt on the territory.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on November 12, 2019, 03:10:58 PM
Front wheel is down at the tyre dealer for the tyre change which I should be able to pick up tomorrow.

I didn't notice any front suspension anti-dive unit like there is on the 1100 so maybe they've done it a different way.

Normally I wouldn't remove both calipers to remove the wheel but this time I want to grease up the pins on the calipers. Just as well because it took some effort to remove them both. Similar to the rear as that too was difficult to remove and the sound of a possible pad binding on the disc went away.

Front pad wear was much the same as the rear and might last another 5,000-10000 km and not urgent like I was expecting.

Heather wants to repaint the silver on the lower fork legs front but I put her off because of the wind and that it would be better in Tammie's garage the next time the wheel comes out.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: alans1100 on November 13, 2019, 05:03:50 PM
One 1300A now back on the road.

Both calipers were greased and not to easy to separate either; especially the LH one. Unlike the 1100A this side has an extra brake hose which means the halves of the caliper stay together even when apart.

Wheel went back in fairly easy but the Axle bolt was harder to do up than the 1100A.

Calipers went on a lot easier than they come off even though I did forget to push the LH pistons back in and wondered why the inner pad wasn't to easy to slide.

Previous tyre was an Angel GT fitted by the WA dealer after I bought the bike and it was replaced after doing 14,125 km.

Brakes seemed to have improved slightly after a couple test stops.
Title: Re: New Tyre
Post by: Gadget on November 13, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
:runyay

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