Author Topic: NEW POLL - Should we be able to Lane Split or Lane Filter? (Read 35924 times)

Whizz · « **Reply #25 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:27:31 AM »

Diesel, for most of this video this bloke is Lane Splitting, i.e. the cars are actually moving, not Lane Filtering...however as stated above by Dan this distinction only seems to apply here in Aus, there is no distinction in UK, so I suppose I'm just nit-picking

As to the trial of Lane Filtering in Sydney, having driven in Sydney a few times (not a lot Thank God!) I'm amazed that anyone thinks the lanes are wide enough for a single car, let alone a car and a bike!. I have been in situations where there have been trucks hauling down the same road as me and I'd swear there was only about three layers of paint between my cart and their wheels! Scary is not the word!! and talk about ignorant, selfish, self-absorbed drivers, they don't give an inch! I take my hat (not baseball cap

) off to anyone who rides or drives in Sydney on a regular basis, I pity you!

saaz · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:44:52 AM »

I have come across trucks stuck in traffic on the highway due to accidents etc, that definitely dislike bikes being able to get to the front by safety trickling past on the verge. Some actively try and move over to stop the bikes.

gaz · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:52:10 AM »

I’d like to add, that I haven't posted anything in this post.

Whizz · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:04:36 AM »

....so why not, no opinion, Gaz?

StinkyPete · « **Reply #29 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:39:31 AM »

I feel that filtering through stationary traffic should be allowed, but I won't do it on the ST.

Although I understand that "filtering is not specifically illegal in SA, there are some existing offences under which "filterers" can be charged if the police want to, such as failing to maintain your vehicle within a lane, and overtaking on the inside.

Marcus · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:52:33 AM »

If I EVER came across traffic THAT BAD... Then I think I'd do it as well...

Fortunately, even in Melbourne it's never that bad. Sydney on time. From the Bridge tunnel all the way to airport so I missed my plane by 2 minutes is the worst it's gotten, then I wished I was on a bike.

ST2UP · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2013, 04:24:59 PM »

It's a NO for me guys......simple Risk Vs Gain assessment, having seen the ramifications of a cycle splitting stationary vehicles when working in Sydney.....The rider and cycle escaped the incident relatively unscathed, not so the 10 year old crossing between the stationary cars holding mum's hand in a school zone.

As I said Risk Vs. Gain......

Sabie · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2013, 07:26:27 PM »

I believe the details were the motorcyclist was between traffic with a car to the left and a truck to the right. The motorcyclist had "filtered" between the lanes.

As the lights turned green the truck anticipating the lights rolled forward over the top of the motorcyclist who couldn't be seen by the truck driver and didn't know they were there.

This is one reason filtering is dangerous and I am opposed to it.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/woman-killed-in-towsville-crash-between-motorbike-and-truck/story-e6freon6-1225874055508

Abe · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2013, 07:59:08 PM »

NO.
wait in line like everybody else,
But, hopefully they have paid their rego/insurance/CTP, but I doubt it living in Sydney. ("I swear to God mate, it wan'st me, bro")

But I do get paid to go to Court.

Cheers
Dave

Streak · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2013, 08:13:27 PM »

I have to say I did it when I was much younger, but I would not do it now, I don't think it is fair to the driver you are surprising as you idle past.......

doggy & Nola · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:07:39 PM »

sorry but what is lane filtering?
cheers doggy

Shiney · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:12:25 PM »

I still do it from time to time (not often though) and only when the traffic is stoped and there is plenty of space to filter past.

One tip if you are going to do it… check for crotchrockets flying up from behind you before starting to move between traffic, and always move at a slow pace.

The other times I do it is for safety reasons:

I have moved up between traffic a number of times just to get some distance between myself and a cage driver that was suffering a bit of road rage (yelling, screaming and hitting their steering wheel) just so I feel safer. (I don’t trust that they will pay any attention to a motorbike when they are this worked up)

On a small number of occasions I have done it to get away from people that were speeding up behind me and slammed on their brakes late. (I start moving between traffic before they stop… better for me to be a few cars down if/when their brakes fail)

Just my thoughts

Cheers
Shiney

Shiney · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:14:17 PM »

Quote from: doggy on January 25, 2013, 09:07:39 PM

sorry but what is lane filtering?
cheers doggy

See below quote from Alan

Quote from: alans1100 on February 06, 2012, 12:23:12 PM

"Lane Splitting" is when a motorcycle travels between other cars in moving traffic.

"Lane filtering" is defined as moving between traffic when other surrounding traffic is stationary.

doggy & Nola · « **Reply #38 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:20:48 PM »

i don't have that in the sticks

doggy & Nola · « **Reply #39 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:22:25 PM »

country roads
cheers doggy

Sabie · « **Reply #40 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:23:31 PM »

Lane filtering & lane splitting accidents

http://youtu.be/_GH8D2EqDZs

http://youtu.be/w5Bci82yjyA

http://youtu.be/nRlVZXIrV-Q

rjstorrie · « **Reply #41 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:26:16 PM »

I was taught it to be illegal from word go in Qld so I've only ever done it once, it was 1 car at a set of red lights. Felt really bad so I've never done it again. I feel the risks are not worth the 2-5mins you may save on the trip.

Rob.

WendyL · « **Reply #42 on:** January 25, 2013, 10:50:29 PM »

There's only one intersection in Darwin that I filter at, it goes from two lanes to one and you almost always get some idiot who wants to sit 20km below the limit. The lanes are nice and wide, so no danger there...

When riding in real traffic "down south" I tend not to bother, don't know my way round well enough to be in a hurry...

Sabie · « **Reply #43 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:10:39 PM »

Quote from: WendyL on January 25, 2013, 10:50:29 PM

There's only one intersection in Darwin that I filter at, it goes from two lanes to one and you almost always get some idiot who wants to sit 20km below the limit. The lanes are nice and wide, so no danger there...

When riding in real traffic "down south" I tend not to bother, don't know my way round well enough to be in a hurry...

2 lanes... In Darwin?..... I thought you guys had dirt roads......

WendyL · « **Reply #44 on:** January 25, 2013, 11:55:02 PM »

We even get up to 3 lanes for a few kms on the Stuart Hwy....

But guess what? I don't care. We have 130km/h speed limits, with rumour that the new govt may lift it back to open!!!!

Whizz · « **Reply #45 on:** January 26, 2013, 07:39:22 AM »

Sabie, with your three videos, in the first two the rider is going insanely fast between the traffic, hence not being able to avoid the collision, and in the last one I reckon that's just plain sod's law, bad luck! In the first two, if the riders had been doing a reasonable speed, not playing crotch-rocket pilots then they would have had plenty of time to avoid the lane-changer, and I think that God himself would have had a hard time avoiding the last one!

Brock · « **Reply #46 on:** January 26, 2013, 09:42:55 AM »

I usually dont get much opportunity to filter or split, as 90% of my riding is backroads. I do filter when I get near the end of the ride in the afternoon at a set of lights, cos its mad Mum time nd I dont want one of those distracted mums ramming me.

I have split the lanes on occasion when going from one work site to another (100k ride). There is a section on the Roe Hwy of 7Ks where at 0800 is at an almost standstill. It can take an hour to do this stretch in a car. The traffic is pretty good, leaving enough room for bikes to get through (even an ST1100), some will even move out of the way if they can, It only took me about 10 min to do that stretch (cant find the video but.

The Mitchell Freeway in the morning and afternoon is the same, if you dont filter/split, then 30Ks will take 90+ min.

Of course, having a white bike and flouro jacket certainly doesnt hurt.

doggy & Nola · « **Reply #47 on:** January 26, 2013, 01:31:18 PM »

i think we that do dice with slow traffic is ok

gaz · « **Reply #48 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:19:49 PM »

Quote from: Whizz on January 25, 2013, 10:04:36 AM

....so why not, no opinion, Gaz?

Thanks Whizz

for making me post something in this post.

Shiney · « **Reply #49 on:** January 26, 2013, 06:22:45 PM »

Quote from: gaz on January 26, 2013, 06:19:49 PM

Quote from: Whizz on January 25, 2013, 10:04:36 AM
....so why not, no opinion, Gaz?

Thanks Whizz for making me post something in this post.

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Author Topic: NEW POLL - Should we be able to Lane Split or Lane Filter? (Read 35924 times)

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