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OzSTOC News & Rider Assistance => OzSTOC News & Events... => Topic started by: ST2UP on August 15, 2017, 11:45:50 PM
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We are currently running a Facebook trial that I want to give you all a heads up on....
So we currently have a Facebook page that we use more as a notice board and have always referred questions back to the forum if possible as it was our intention not have 2 arms swinging with information in 2 places.
But times are changing...many people including OzSToc members want a more interactive experience on the go particularly with mobile devices.
Make no mistake.....the forum via our webpage is here to stay, all of the threads and particularly the information and bike specific technical threads are VERY important to maintain and keep secure into the future. But if the club was to be formed today...it would never be started as a Website based forum but ride on the coat tails of existing infrastructure like Facebook in the form of a Facebook Group (closed).
So we have started a FB Group called OzSTOC FB Group that is currently private and we have added just 15 OzSTOC members who are regular FB users to run a trial....we are adding topics, pics, existing RTE info to use the function reminder side of FB and gather the data from FB on the groups FB experience to see how and IF it will fill a void.
I completely understand there are members who don't and won't use Facebook.....UNDERSTOOD ;-*
But we have prospective and current members who don't use the forum but do use Facebook daily.....
Once we have some proof of concept we "may" take the FB Group to the next stage and turn to a closed group where a person requests to join or can be forwarded a "Join us" link
With the more recent changes to FB and Group settings to link threads to and from the forum...... it is worth a play
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We used to have two Facebook pages. The one currently running and one under groups which is still there but closed by Graham. The same as what you have just opened.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/)
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Alan you are correct, the other Group was started by someone else years ago, still not sure who, they handed me the admin of it, I just removed everyone at the time, and left, didnt even know it was still there, must have an old account in it or something.
Facebook works like a website and a forum, the actual front page of the website is very much like a normal facebook page (I will use AuStrom the V-Strom Group as an example):
So we have setup Austrom (Aussie V-Strom Owners) Website looks like this: http://www.austromriders.com.au/ (http://www.austromriders.com.au/) so no forum, with basic info on it who we are, and is the website face of who they are and how to find them
We then have our Facebook PAGE which we use in Facebook land for finding people to join the group, it is totally viewable to everyone but works just like the OzSTOC facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/austromriders/ (https://www.facebook.com/austromriders/)
We then get to the Facebook Discussion GROUP which works just like the forum, but is facebook based, it is a closed group, so unless you are a member you can't view anything inside of it, also like forums you have to apply to join, there are a couple of questions you must answer to verify that you are a real person, and that you have an interest in being part of the show: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AuStrom/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/AuStrom/)
In the last 28 days AuStrom has had 345 posts, 4,250 comments, 6,958 likes.
673 members of our 731 interacted with the group in some way.
Sunday is the most active day, 8pm is the busiest time.
The top post with 170 comments, 175 likes, and 536 views.
We approved 46 new members, declined 88, and blocked 19
it is all very secure, your privacy levels are about the same as a forum, all comes down to your settings on your actual account, just like a forum would.
the part that got us doing this the facebook group rather than the forum was the fact that it is quick, simple, zero cost, you can upload images, video, files without having to use a 3rd party, cast live video,
I use Facebook as the major marketing tool for Hip Pocket, the work they have done around becoming a user friendly, safe, interactive company is quiet amazing.
it is not perfect but nothing is, this is an experiment to see if it might work, and i 100% agree with chris is that the forum is important, i still refer to it when i get ST questions from people and i do read it daily.
Cheers
Streak
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In actual real life application how would it be to stream realtime video at an OzSTOC event to to the group ??
To watch or comment all you need to do is have a FB account and join the OzSTOC Group page :think1
Imagine sitting back and watching the award presentations at National Rally :think1
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In actual real life application how would it be to stream realtime video at an OzSTOC event to to the group ??
All you need to do is a tap of a button and you can live stream its really simple to do.
members would simply sit back with a :popcorn :popcorn and a :beer and good to go
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RTEs as events are a great idea. We have one at the moment for johnnyYTED at Redcliffe Coffe Club and those interested just have to click a button. Tree event counts those 'going', 'maybe' 'interested' or 'not going'.
Makes it much easier for booking venues.
As of this morning I know of 3 going and 7 invited.
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I use Facebook every day and I for one, am glad to hear that OzSTOC will be more active on FB. Subjects such as news & events, RTE's, ride reports, sharing of pictures and videos etc, can be more easily shared and accessed by many on FB. However, although I struggled at first to navigate my way around the website forum, I would hate to see it go. I love the way that information on the website forum is categorized not only between 1100's and 1300's, but also in regard to subject matters. It makes for easy referencing on different technical matters....for years to come. So I'm in full support of Chris's suggestion of keeping the 2 forums alive and working with each other. For example, technical questions or product information raised on FB, can be referred back to the website forum, while social interaction can be carried out on FB.
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I'm a Luddite. Farcebook gives me the heeby-jeebies because I find it hard to navigate and difficult to find things again once you scroll away from them.
That, and the advertising and the shambles of input from every axe-grinder in cyberspace.
I do go there, because it's the village square, and to avoid it means you are ill-informed, but I hate the smell of sewerage.
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That, and the advertising and the shambles of input from every axe-grinder in cyberspace.
I do go there, because it's the village square, and to avoid it means you are ill-informed, but I hate the smell of sewerage.
that's facebook on the outside, and i can show you easily how to get rid of most of that, inside the closed group it will be commented on the same as the forum does :) Luckily i use it so much that my information is quite clear and easy to read, its all in the setup
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Hi Chris....can you just add me or do I have to request to join as usual with facebook?
The only down side I have seen through a couple of motorbike and off-road camper facebook v's forum sites I belong to is that, when new people join the facebook site, they start asking and posting lots of questions and adding some great tips and mods, which would be better placed within the forum context....it can be a bit frustrating at times...I like the "club" atmosphere" of forums rather than facebook, but we have to move with the time too I guess!
Chris
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The OzSTOC FB Group is a closed group....so to join you must answer a few questions including residing in Aust/NZ and once past these filters be accepted by an Admin/Moderator.
The Admin/Moderator can assess the requesting persons FB account and habbits etc.....so this is a tighter process than we have now as on the forum we can only assess their IP address etc.
An Admin/Moderator can join another FB user to the group but even if a member of the group sends a joining invitation too another FB user the Admin/Mod still needs to vent and approve......
Bottom line we can weed the fools before they join and axe them if needed anyone who doesnt play by the simple respectful rules.....
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Alan you are correct, the other Group was started by someone else years ago, still not sure who, they handed me the admin of it, I just removed everyone at the time, and left, didnt even know it was still there, must have an old account in it or something.
Streak
I seem to remember you locked the page but any member could still access it so it's a secret group now. Looking at the link below it still shows 38 members. It seems that anyone can become the admin for it now.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/members/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/members/)
I have trouble finding the Facebook page and generally only see it news feed when there's a post made on it. Going to the old group page was the only way I could access it as you left a link to the page when you locked the group.
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The OzSTOC FB Group is a closed group....so to join you must answer a few questions including residing in Aust/NZ and once past these filters be accepted by an Admin/Moderator.
The Admin/Moderator can assess the requesting persons FB account and habbits etc.....
That's great, if you give us link to go to.
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The link will be passed out once the trial has proven its viable :thumb
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Alan you are correct, the other Group was started by someone else years ago, still not sure who, they handed me the admin of it, I just removed everyone at the time, and left, didnt even know it was still there, must have an old account in it or something.
Streak
I seem to remember you locked the page but any member could still access it so it's a secret group now. Looking at the link below it still shows 38 members. It seems that anyone can become the admin for it now.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/members/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzSTOC/members/)
I have trouble finding the Facebook page and generally only see it news feed when there's a post made on it. Going to the old group page was the only way I could access it as you left a link to the page when you locked the group.
alan can you add me to the group please mate, i thought it was dead and gone :) i have applied to join
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The link will be passed out once the trial has proven its viable :thumb
:thumbs :thumbs :thumbs
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So just to be clear....we have this group secret (FB Terminology not ours) while we assess and iron out the bugs to decide if this is for us as a group.
Once the decision is made and if we decide to proceed we will open the group as a closed group (FB terminology again) and you can
request to Join....if your already a Forum member and on Facebook your all sorted and good to go :like
A closed FB group means we can accept members after they go through the sort & sieve with the admin/moderation team to keep the content as we allow on the forum....keep the riffraff out etc.
We have a total of 15 members using the group at the moment from a mixture of heavy FB users through me as an occasional user to one member who has never had facebook until today nor wanted :nahnah We just weant to make sure this direction is right for the group....BE ASSURED the Forum will stay in place :like
cheers
cheers
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Well I tried our face book page using NavGirls account and posted about our trip we are currently on
One person was able to post a reply on how good it looked where we were . Then minutes later on the post appeared" message from ostoc moderator " then the post disappeared. So I guess it was deleted.
I have no idea why ? And have no ideas by who. Is this how the face book page will work
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Gee we hope not Pete. I remember your post and then noticed it disappeared. I thought you had removed it :wink1
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No Tony wasn't me A warning thing (I don't no what to call it ) from ostoc Facebook moderator came up and I got to read the first word (which I don't remember what it was ) the whole thing just disappeared before my eyes
So I am guessing the moderator who ever that might be didn't like it and doesn't have to answer to any body or explain there actions but just rule how ever they see fit
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Lets hope it was just a glitch Pete as I haven't heard of any other instances. Feel free to post it again Mate as it was good to see your travel posts :thumbs
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I for one have been 'guilty' of posting on FB rather than the forum because FB is easier and more convenient especially when attempting to upload photos. I seem to have no end of trouble with photos and often simply cannot get them to post at all.
I do see however that on the forum we have a user name pertinent to the OzStoc Club. Going across to FB will create some level of confusion if we are known by our forum name.
I can also see ( and I'm speaking from experience with other FB pages ) that you often have to trawl through endless useless unrelated posts to find what you're looking for. The OzStoc forum however has a thread for each discussion topic and is much more streamline and easier to navigate to relevant topics.
These are just some observations and food for thought.
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I look at it that the forum will be always be the traditional home of OzSTOC and where all the technical data should remain, facebook is more social and interactive, which i think is how they can/could blend, the forum name vs real name does not bother me to much, from what i have seen in the last 12 months forums vs social media it is almost a reality, I myself with 1,000's of posts here hardly post on here any more as facebook is quick simple and easy, i think there is real balance for both done and handled correctly.
Facebook also in the ladt 12 months has made massive changes to groups around search functionality, interaction, and making it is to control and keep clean.
Cheers
Streak
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With the new group page as with the original older one is the possibility of live person to person chat which can't take place on the forum. Taking into account that even on FB if the person you want to chat to is unavailable you can still send a message.
The horror of all horrors will be video chat!!!
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...... The horror of all horrors will be video chat!!!
I think that's called FaceTime. That's what we used for the past 2 years to keep in touch with our daughter and son-in-law whilst they have been o/s for the past two years, and what we used to keep in touch with other family and friend whilst we were in the USA & CAN earlier this year. Very, very handy it is.
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Ive often commented on the Facebook site, only to have my comments removed... this is a good move and is where everyone congregates these days... :)
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The trial is still progressing and has identified a few pro's and cons....
Fraudulent member security is tighter on FB so this is a real pro., like wise posting pics without third party hosting and of course the mobile application that suits many members lifestyles...this is its biggest bonus to the masses we belive.
But then on a forum you are known by a forum user name that you create for yourself so have this anonymity that many people desire. You can create a Facebook name for yourself if you are starting a new profile as a new FB user. Editing posts on the FB Group by moderators is not an option, they either have to leave as it is or hide the entire post so it is not accessible.....so no more little mods for bad language or spelling mistakes etc. We will ask members as always to observe posting rules in relation to appropriate content etc.
Keep you posted :thumbsup
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I use Facebook a lot. It's very good way to keep in touch and share information (especially pics) with family and friends who live a long distance away, interstate and overseas. Security is only as good as individual member's settings. Gee, I hope I've got mine tight. You guys and gals will let me know otherwise, I hope?
The trial is still progressing and has identified a few pro's and cons .... wise posting pics without third party hosting and of course the mobile application that suits many members lifestyles ... this is its biggest bonus to the masses we believe ....
Both of these functions are very easy to do on Facebook, but there is a downside to posting pics. This is, they(and any of the narration and comments provided) are hard to find after a more posts have been made.
If there was the same the level of activity on the FB page (as the Forum), it would only take a day or two and many interesting posts would be not be viewed by many members or lost (or very, very difficult to find) altogether. The upside to this though is that many of the uninteresting posts would or could never be seen.
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The interesting and technical type posts will still very much have their home on the forum....we believe its more the short term social aspect of the forum that will migrate to Facebook Group page.
Events like RTE's will be posted under events so those threads can be easily accessed and monitored for attendees etc.....
If i didnt mention previously if your a non FB user and have no interest in the general FB community with very little effort once you register a name you can have your browser open the OzSToc Group page only in Facebook and not see all the other FB "stuff"......just like you can with the forum now.
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Ive often commented on the Facebook site, only to have my comments removed... this is a good move and is where everyone congregates these days... :)
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I had at a look at our page last night with maybe the intention of making a post about our recent RTE but there's nowhere that I could see to write anything. There was a visitor's post/comment section in the past but that seems to have been removed.
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Ive often commented on the Facebook site, only to have my comments removed... this is a good move and is where everyone congregates these days... :)
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I had at a look at our page last night with maybe the intention of making a post about our recent RTE but there's nowhere that I could see to write anything. There was a visitor's post/comment section in the past but that seems to have been removed.
Thanks Alan,
We have removed the ability to post to the PAGE in readiness for posting to the GROUP.....
This will go live very soon and we will convert the Ozstoc FB GROUP from secret to closed so you may all "Request to Join" and away we go :runyay
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I had at a look at our page last night with maybe the intention of making a post about our recent RTE but there's nowhere that I could see to write anything. There was a visitor's post/comment section in the past but that seems to have been removed.
I just managed to post a comment / question to this FB page https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/. (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/.) Is there another OzSTOC FB page?
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Is there another OzSTOC FB page?
click on the "groups"
https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal)
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https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal)
Two FB pages (I seem to recall that was mentioned elsewhere).
So who manages this one? https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/ (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/)
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It's the same one... this "group" (https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal)) is within this "Page" (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/ (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/)) The page is like the lobby, the group is like the convention room.
The page you linked people were not able to converse, now that the "group" was added to it, People can now converse, add pictures, maps, ride reports etc.
Basically, just join the group and you'll be fine
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https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/OzSTOC/groups/?ref=page_internal)
Two FB pages (I seem to recall that was mentioned elsewhere).
So who manages this one? https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/ (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/)
I do with the gracious assistance of Mr Stimpy ;-*
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The OzSTOC FB Group is a closed group....so to join you must answer a few questions including residing in Aust/NZ and once past these filters be accepted by an Admin/Moderator.
Phew.... I got past the questions :thumb
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Afraid I am with Biggles. Face book really doesn't do anything for me. I just received an email saying "Dougie James" has just added me to the OzSIOC FB grop, thank Dougie however you are but no thanks. Fairly sure on Monday I had a friend suggest that if I don't follow her facebook page then too bad I wouldn't know what she was doing, strike one for friendship??? When going to the OzSTOC FB group I see details about the Rally Tee Shirt which I can't find on the Forum :'(. Hope that is just a delay at this stage and not a sign of things to come.
Must go now have to press the link on the email I received about the OzSTOC FB group that says "Leave the group"
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Dougie is Stimpy ;-* The rally shirt update has been posted on all 3 mediums :H :fp
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Dougie is Stimpy ;-* The rally shirt update has been posted on all 3 mediums :H :fp
Just found the shirt on the forum, thanks. What is the third medium?
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Facebook bulletin board and Facebook user group make the 2nd and third ones after the forum :wink1
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Dougie is Stimpy ;-* The rally shirt update has been posted on all 3 mediums :H :fp
Just found the shirt on the forum, thanks. What is the third medium?
Medium 1: www.OzSTOC.com (http://www.OzSTOC.com) Forum (first and foremost)
Medium 2: https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/ (https://www.facebook.com/OzSTOC/) Facebook PAGE (Bulletin board so to speak)
Medium 3: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup (https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup) (Quick to use chat group)
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Here is the basic way to use the OzSTOC Facebook group for those who don't want to use all the annoyances of the rest of FB. :thumbsup
Step 1: Set this link as a favorite on your desktop or taskbar on your pc, (you can also set it as a button on your smart phone) https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup/)
Step 2: Using the link and logging in, it will take you straight to the group, and you don't have to think about the rest of it (it is like the forum, there is a huge part of it we don't use, we use the part we want to)
Step 3: Use the group, you can simply post up a thread or comment the same as the forum, you can share a link from the forum to the group as well, they work in kind pretty well.
Step 4: if you are struggling, and want some tips and help, or help to simply sign up to Facebook, Streak is happy to help you 0488 385 858, or send him a pm.
Step 5: Don't be daunted by it, 3/5 people in the world now have a FB account, the security settings are there so your account can be locked down as tight as you would like it, once again Streak can help you do that.
Side note: 3 mediums of OzSTOC, OzSTOC has the FORUM first and foremost, it has a Facebook PAGE (which we have had for years) that acts like the front page of a newspaper, where announcements get put, works similar to the front page of website, the Facebook GROUP acts like the forum, but is a simpler quicker more socially interactive way to use it, it is not the best place to post a technical work though of something you built, bought or did.
FACT we have become quieter, and less contributions on the forum, many of these wonderful people of OzSTOC are still here, but they post about what they are doing on social media, as it is simple, no need for 3rd party image hosting, so rather than close our minds and lose those good people this is away to keep them involved and part of this wonderful group of people, you choose which one you use or both, we are working for the longevity of OzSTOC, all we ask is everyone to have an open mind and understand this is about being an inclusive group and catering to the needs of the many.
We are giving you choices....how and if, you use them is up to you ;-*
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How is everyone going with the group, has anyone who is not a regular user taken a look? Just keeping this up for those I can help :)
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For interest for everyone since theOzSTOC FB group was created at the start of August 2017:
Total members: 125
Busiest day: Sunday
Busiest hour of the day: 5pm
There has been:
273 Posts
1094 Comments
3,441 Likes
4808 TOTAL
34 interactions average per day
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/ozstocgroup/)
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:like Great news. I find Facebook pages are so much easier that the forum layout plus adding photos/videos/live footage is so easy. I'll be actively taking part but understand the forum will remain. :whit11-r
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I primarily use the Forum and check in a few times a day and knowing that some don't frequent the forum I'll post a link on the Facebook page; mainly RTEs and anything else that might be of interest.
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:like Great news. I find Facebook pages are so much easier that the forum layout plus adding photos/videos/live footage is so easy. I'll be actively taking part but understand the forum will remain. :whit11-r
If you need any assistance in managing the Ozstoc FB page let me know! I'll volunteer my services!
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I am not a FaceBook user just happy to use the Forum
My wife Robyn uses Facebook but everyone to their own