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Honda ST1300 Section => Ask A Tech about your Honda ST1300 => Topic started by: Richard Court on November 24, 2013, 06:30:03 PM
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What a day! Today I went for a ride with a mate. It started out fine, great weather, and the ST1300 2002 model having just been serviced was running like a charm. That was until about half way home. I approached an intersection changing down to first gear, the road being clear I started a right hand turn applying an appropriate amount of throttle only to find my engine had died. I pressed the starter and the engine turned over but would not start. Then I started to check every thing I could think of. Fuses battery terminals, connectors, all to non-avail. I noticed that even with the ignition switched off and the key removed from the ignition switch the indicator lights were all on and static, headlights were on but dim, brake lights and tail lights were all on as were the oil warning and neutral lights.
Has anyone else had this experience?
I called a friend to come with his trailer and help take the bike home which he did, and with the assistance of some passing bikers who kindly stopped to lend a little extra muscle we managed to load the bike and secure it. Unfortunately though, at home we did not have the extra hands and in trying to unload, we dropped the bike in the trailer and damaged a couple of panels and smashed the right hand rear vision mirror. OUCH! Not a perfect end to a perfect day. :H
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I have heard of this on the yank forum, but dont remember the cause that was found.
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Oh damn and ouch!
Is there a relay that is stuck "on"?
I'm guessing you've disconnected the battery leads to save the battery.
A search of www.st-owners.com is in order. It's a very good search engine.
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Yes I did disconnect the battery and I will follow your suggestion. Thanks a lot for you interest.
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bugger!! not a good day for you, I have not heard of it happening. Will be interested in the outcome, good luck with the fix
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:phone I have got Steve Latham coming around this afternoon. He is a local motorcycle mechanic with a mobile workshop. Very convenient , he comes to you house, doesn't charge like a wounded bull and knows what he is talking about. I will keep you posted with the result after he completes his diagnoses. :CB--
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Steve spent a couple of hours trying to find the problem without susses. He did manage to get it started for a while only to have it fail again. Finally he said he was in the dark and had to go and research the problem. Can anyone please tell me where the regulator /rectifier is on the ST1300?
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So Richard when you say just serviced....how many k's before it died had you ridden roughly and which service was it ?? Might narrow down how deep into the bike/tupperware the mechanic was playing....was it serviced by Honda and a log book service or local generic bike shops kick the tyres change the oil ??
Sounds very "earthy" in my humble opinion.....like they disconnected or unplugged something to get to something else and didn't re-install correctly..... :think1
Cheers
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And check this plug as well....
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Hi ST2UP, and thanks for taking the time to answer my post.
Steve Latham is a well respected mechanic in this area who operates from a mobile workshop and came highly recommended by several other Ulyssians.
The Service was a 95,000 K.
I do not have a log book as it did not come with the bike The previous owner just supplied me with invoices and receipts for work carried out.
Steve gave the bike an Oil change and new filter and I believe he checked all other things that needed to be checked. (He has the contract with Australia Post to service the Postie bikes so he should have a good idea of what is required).
He adjusted the steering head bearing and as I recall he found a disconnected connector on the right hand handle bar under the break leaver which he reconnected.
He has been researching the problem for me and said he thinks it is an earth problem as well but can not explain why all the lights remain on when the bike is switched off and the ignition key removed.
Best regards,
Richard :popcorn
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He adjusted the steering head bearing and as I recall he found a disconnected connector on the right hand handle bar under the break leaver which he reconnected.
Ahha! Disconnect that connector! The PO may have solved an earthing problem a quick and dirty way by that disconnection.
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The alternator is like a car one, so the regulator and rectifier are part of the alternator.
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That connector sounds like the brake micro switch connector. Not saying its not the problem, but ???
Try unpluging the igniton switch connector if you can get to it. If the problem of uncommanded power goes away, then there most likley is a problem in the switch or wire loom ( wires could be pinched)
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:-++Thanks to you all for you comments.
I have now downloaded a workshop manual and can see from that the alternator and regulator/rectifier are built in together.
On Monday I will try to get at the ignition switch connector.
I rang Steve and he said the wire he reconnected was in fact the front break light connector.
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Still waiting for Steve to come back with a solution. I hope he will be here by Wednesday and we can get to the bottom of the problem. I still have to get the panel work done. By the time I get the bike back my bum calluses will have cleared up and I will have to start hardening them up again. |-i
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Still waiting for Steve to come back with a solution. I hope he will be here by Wednesday and we can get to the bottom of the problem. I still have to get the panel work done. By the time I get the bike back my bum calluses will have cleared up and I will have to start hardening them up again. |-i
Eat your dinner and watch TV sitting astride the sawing horse. :whistle
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OUCH. I would rather ride an 1940 AJS for 8 hours a day >:() >:()
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Hey Richard. How did you get on with this problem? :popcorn
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:H :candystwheelie Hi Guys, Back again.
I got my bike back some time ago but have not had a lot of time to ride it. The mechanic replaced the wiring loom to the ignition switch which he said was faulty.
I had a couple of short rides and it appeared to be OK. Thinking the problem had been fixed, a couple of weeks ago I set off from Port Macquarie to head to my daughter's place in Warner just North of Brisbane. I got as far as a rest area 12 k's South of Grafton, pulled in for a comfort stop and a stretch, and after about half an hour I got back on the bike turned the key in the ignition but it would not start. I took the key out, and guess what. All the lights stayed on. Dash board, head lights, tail lights indicators all on solid and cruise control indicator on. The only thing I could do was to disconnect the battery and call NRMA Roadside Assistance. They turned up about half an hour later but were not able to help they NRMA put me up in a Motel in Grafton and took my bike to a bike shop in town. Next day Lock, the mechanic spent half a day trying to locate the fault without success. He could not allow any more time on this job so he charged me $100 for his time (very reasonable I thought) and the NRMA arranged for me and my bike to be returned to Port. (FANTASTIC SERVICE. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND BECOMING A MEMBER).
The bike has been in my mechanic's Workshop for almost two weeks now and although he found a burned wire near the exhaust pipe and replaced it and thought that had fixed the problem as he was then able to start the bike, after a short test ride he got back to his shed went to turn the bike off and low the same thing happened.
My bill is something like $1,000.00 so far and am still no closer to finding the problem.
Has anyone else experienced this fault and may be able to shed some light the situation for me, PLEASE? >:()
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Sorry to here your having dramas again :H
May have already been checked but I would completely disconnect ANYTHING electrical and not standard on the bike......cruise control, ALL farkles even if you have Honda heated grips disconnect fully all of it. Just back to basic bike only and see what you have :think1
It all sounds very earth related....... :think1
Wouldn't be the first time even a professional put a bike, car or even a house back together and earthed out !!!
On the 1300 the top faring hex head bolt on the right side of the bike that goes through the small triangle of the faring has been know to get stuck in the bolt shaft behind and remains attached to the faring and not the bike......this shaft inserts into the frame off the bike beside a major loom. An exposed bolt thread trying blindly to locate it opposing threaded hole beside a loom off wire could create some havoc on a lightly taped and heat effected wiring loom...... :think1
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I wonder if its a fuse/solenoid/relay is being energised and staying in the "normally closed" position. :think1
What new farkle have you/others added, and was the bike fine prior to this. :think1
I'm NOT an auto electrician.
Hopefully the brains trust will help you soon Richard.
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Hi Richard, if you say the lights and indicators stay on when the key is removed and your mechanic has replaced the ignition wiring loom. Is the ignition switch itself a possible problem???
Regards,
Tom.
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++ Thanks everyone very much for your rapid response. It is very much appreciated.
As for attachments on the motorcycle apart from attaching a GPS into the cigarette lighter connector I have not added anything new to the bike. Steve says he has disconnected everything with the exception of the alternator which is buried deep in the heart of the bike (that will be his next test) I was wondering if a faulty diode in the rectifier could be causing the problem. When Steve disconnected everything Including the ignition switch the fault still Remained
I did ring John Head, the previous owner, to ask if he had experienced anything similar but he had not.
I became so frustrated, I contemplated trading the bike in for a later model. I contacted a few dealers only to be told that the 2002 model ST 1300 with 100,000 kilometers on the clock is only worth $3500-$4000. How ridiculous is that for such a beautiful bike. I would rather keep it, fix the problems and who knows in time it may increase in value as a vintage bike (if I live that long). I wish I had kept some of the motorcars that I owned in the 60s and 70s. Ford GT's etc.
Anyway thanks again to all for your interest and help. I will keep you posted on progress if any.
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Hi Richard
I had similar problem with holden WB ute after fueling up at servo it would not fire and all ligths came on when turned of ignition
I can't remember (had a beer and a sleep since then ) witch way it went but solenoid on starter motor shorted out and burnt out ignition switch or vice versa
the sparkey told me that when it all happened the short fed power through earth circuit which lit up every light in the ute and man did it suck the juice out of the battery in a very short time
Result - new ignition switch , new starter , new battery (by the time I got it disconected it was not healthy ) and new battery leads
for a coulple of weeks before the S*^!T hit the fan it was doing funny things
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I've never experienced this sort of issue Richard, mine is also 2002... But it does sound like it could be an earthing problem, check all the wires that go to the frame, as well as battery terminals etc... It sounds very strange indeed though, honestly I don't have a clue...
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Very hard to offer other than general advice, as hands on is really needed to go thoroughly through electrical problems. All of the above suggestions are all I can think of as well. I did have my ignition switch on the ST1100 physically break down the bottom where the key turned the tumbler to make various contact - is it possible that this has broken on or is really loose? Taking the ignition part is the only way to check.
Good luck.
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This looks like great info. Any tips on fixing this issue we discovered today when we took the motor out of my little Honda to look at it more closely? Do you think it will buff out?
(http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii635/wombattle1/IMG_1084.jpg)
Poor Little Mango.
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A little body filler and a touch of silver paint, it will be good as new.
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That would have made for an exciting day out. :eek
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Body filler won't cut the mustard.
Araldite for bigger jobs like this.
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We thought about araldite but we can't find the rest of the piston!
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There is some stuff called aluminium putty made by devcon that will fix that, or just use the welder to build it up a little. She'll be right.
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Any chance of moving these last few posts ,,,,,,,,,,,not sure there relative to topic :well............. :wht11
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If the lights and other acc. tend to stay on when the ignition is turned off, the first thing that I would check is the wiring to the respective relays that supply power to the individual components.
It seems to me that the relays must be staying activated,
Therefore could there be an intermittent short happening on the switched side (earthed) side of the relays. This could possibly cause the relays to activate and switch on the offending circuits
Of course this all depends as to weather the main ignition key operated circuit supplys all of the power to the relays ,or only the operating signal for the relays via the individual switches.
It would also depend on weather the switching of the relays is done with the activating switch being on the hot side of the relays or are the switches to activate the relays placed in the earth wire from the relay,
I hope that you can grasp my intended explanation and that it is not too confusing.
Cheers , Winston 66
Ps . At least I know what I mean.
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It definitely sounds like a couple of wires have been piched, if the bike powers up with no switch connected.
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Does it still do it with all the plastic off? Start from basics. Somehow you are bypassing ignition switch but you say that it still happens with ignition loom disconnected is that correct?
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Actually a little silicone will sort that out no worries mate... !! :)
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:hatwave I am overwhelmed by all you support and suggestions. Thanks again to you all.
Steve, the mechanic, found a reference to a recall in the US, of ST 1300's built in 2003/4 in which Honda replaced a yellow connector in the main wiering loom located somewhere under the tank. When he went looking for it he could not locate such a connector there, however he traced the loom back from the ignition swtch and in behind the headlight he found a yellow conector whicch resembled the one discribed in the reported recall. Upon tuching and agitating this part he found that it was hot to the touch and that the movement intermittently cleared and then recreated the fault. Closer examination revield that the plastic at the back of the connector had melted and discoloured. He replaced the part and made sure that all connections were clean and strong and is now confident the problem is fixed. ( I HOPE HE IS RIGHT). Anyway the good news is that I picked up my bike today and it seems to be running like a bird. :beer :dred11 :like
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Hi there Richard,
Well that is some great news and a very positive result.
I am very pleased for you that there is a good result and hopefully your electrical problems are solved.
cheers, Winston66, Northampton, Western Australia
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Wooo Hooo Richard :hatwave and well done Mr Mechanic if that the issue.......as lots said sounded very earth related :think1
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Great news Richard, now time to ride :thumbs
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Fantastic news Richard. Your mechanic is a keeper. :thumbs
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Gotta be happy `bout that.................Fingers crossed, but sounds the piece to the puzzle.. :wht11
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Great news Richard, hope to see you on a ride soon. A few of us will be in Coffs Harbour around 18 October
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Awesome news Richard :runyay
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Intermittent electrical problems can be a real pest to find, and your mechanic has done a great job to track it down and fix it.
Now go and enjoy your riding, without nagging doubts about your ability to get home again.
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Top result. :thumbs
Now all the 2003/4 owners are paranoid, and pulling their seats off looking for yellow connectors. :eek
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Top result. :thumbs
Now all the 2003/4 owners are paranoid, and pulling their seats off looking for yellow connectors. :eek
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;-* HA HA HA. Thanks Uall!
I am thinking of going on the Honda Snoey Mountain ride on Dec 1st.
Hope the bike keeps going.
I understand it is a fantastic experience.
Thanks for all your comments. :Blow
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:-[ Woops! I meant to say Snowy Mountain ride. Got my finger in the wrong hole.
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:-[ Woops! I meant to say Snowy Mountain ride. Got my finger in the wrong hole.
Make sure you take a handful of OZSTOC cards because there's bound to be other STs on that Honda ride. :thumbs
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Great news Richard, and well done Steve the mechanic !! Which dealership was that ? It's probably worth a mention...
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8) Steve is an independent operator who works from home. He has a mobile workshop and looks after all the Postey bikes for Port Macquarie Australia Post. He has a long history in the industry and is well thought of by all the people I have spoken to about him.
He is reasonable with his pricing too.
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:fp As I mentioned, back in November, I was going to the Honda snowy ride. Well guess what I never got there.
We left Port on the Wednesday and had a terific ride to Wisemans ferry where we stayed over night at the pub. Thursday was even better, down through Pittown, Mossvale and on to Baitmans bay. (a beautiful spot and the bike ran like a charm). Friday we set off for Cooma. Going through Moruya I entered a small roundabout only to be cut off by a P plat driver entering on my left. I must have been in his blind spot and he could not see me as he did not stop but took off at a rate of knots. I had to break hard fo avoid hitting him (NO ABS) I lost my front wheel from under me. Luckily I was not going very fast but anyway I went sprawling on the ground and the full weight of the bike came crashing down on my right ankle trapping me between the road and the black wing sticking out on the side of the bike. A Policeman following not too far behind came to my assistance, lifted the bike off me and helped me to my feet. Feeling a bit painful but still able to walk (LIMPING) and the bike undamaged, I thought I would be OK to continue on, so I road on to Narooma where my mate Bob Brewer was waiting for me. We had a cup of coffee while I told him all.
By this time the pain hand become worse so I decided to go to the Ambo station. To cut a long story short I ended up back at Moruya Hospital and was diagnosed with a fractured fibula close to my ankle.
Brother John came down from Port with a trailer and took me and my bike home and there I have staid ever since. Six weeks in plaster and now in a moon boot and the speciolist says it may be quit a long drawn out process as the break is so close to the ankle.
The long and the short of it is that I am now under strict instructions from Linda my wife to sell my beloved bike and give up riding. She says it could have been a lot worse and if I was crippled she would be the one landed with the responsibility of looking after me. FAIR ENOUGH I GUESS.
++ Anyone want to buy a 2002 Red Honda ST1300 with 103000 K's on the clock? GOING CHEAP :H
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Glad you are ok after the off. I wouldn't be to quick in moving the ST on though. good luck and all the best with your recovery
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Sorry to hear about your accident, Richard.
At your age things don't mend as quickly as you would like.
What a dilemma. Linda :think1 or the bike. :whistle
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Yeah, so sorry about your accident mate !! But I also wouldn't be too quick to pass up the ST... Good luck and I hope your ankle heals well...
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Sorry to hear about more woes for you Richard. I know Linda was happy for you to get out and about on the bike, but I suppose events like this test that.
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Richard,
Sorry to hear about your off. I would use it as an opportunity to upgrade to an ABS model. :grin and approach round-a-bouts with more caution.
I know you've said it is a slow recovery process, but I hope time passes quickly for you.
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Speedy recovery Richard :thumbs
Now more time to search for a newer ride :think1
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Sorry you were taken out by a P plater. I suspect they knew well they were in the wrong by the way they took off.
Roundabouts are great, but they sure require extra vigilance.
Hopefully Missus Court will come around. Tell her you've had your prang and got that out of the way. It's usually the case.
When the bike is all repaired, make sure you give it an engine run every week- they hate being ignored.
Eat lots of calcium and keep putting load on the leg- those things help with the healing.
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Thanks for all your replies and good wishes.
Thankfully the bike was not damaged. I was able to cushion it's fall with my leg :p
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Hi Richard, same model bike, proud of you how you threw yourself under the WONDER BEAST to save her, we probably should have an award for the most protective faithful owner..
Get well soon
Rally
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Very sad news.
All the best for a speedy recovery mate
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Just caught up on this thread Richard, best wishes for a speedie recovery....and perhaps in time a smaller lighter bike may be in your future, cause once your a rider :whistle
Cheers
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:think1 I have had my eye on a vstrom 650 but T will have to do a lot of fast talking to change Linda's mind!
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That's easy Richard, just post Linda's phone number and we can all ring her and tell how much you really NEED another bike :think1
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:crackup I love all your comments and humor.
Merry Christmas and seasons greetings to you all.
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Get Well soon Richard. Can-Am is perhaps an option. More visible, can't fall over, awsome brakes with ABS and Traction Control, heaps of storage space for touring, all of which Linda will see as positives.
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.......or one of those Piaggio scooters with two wheels at the front. All of the advantages, but sadly, none of the street cred. :fp