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Honda ST1300 Section => Electrics & Electronics - Volts, Amps and Fuses ST1300 => Topic started by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 04:13:19 AM

Title: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 04:13:19 AM
On Friday morning I was getting ready to go to work, got all my gear on and jumped on the bike, and that was when I got a rude surprise…
The battery didn’t have enough power to start the motor :||||

Anyway I rode the cruiser in to work and started to look around for a new battery.
(Battery for the ST1300 is YTZ14-S)

1.   Battery World: quoted just under $250 for a Yuasa
2.   Repco: said they only have a couple of motorbike batteries and none of them would be suitable.
3.   Supercheap: quoted $440 for the Yuasa :eek :eek :eek and said they would have to order one in.
4.   Batteriesdirect.com.au: quoted (+ $15 delivery) $228.65 for the Yuasa or $117.78 for a SSB… I called them to find out what the difference between the two brands was.
He said the price difference is due to just the brand name and that the SSB actually has higher Cold Crank Amps at 285 as opposed to 230 for the Yuasa.
5.   Turbo Batteries: quoted $123 for another brand (I forget which one :fp)
6.   Allpurposebatteries.com.au: quoted $95 with free delivery for the SSB.

So that was prices worked out (All Purpose Batteries the winner :thumb)  :think1 the next step was to work out if the issue was the battery or the alternator.

When I got home from work I had RACQ around to test my battery and alternator… >:()
Battery was stuffed, alternator was good producing a solid 14 volts.

Had a chat to him and he said the battery must have been on the way out for some time but as I ride almost every day it wouldn’t have been as noticeable. (I hadn't ridden for a few days as I had stuff to do around the house and didn't get a chance to ride)

So at the end of all that, I went for the SSB from www.allpurposebatteries.com.au (http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au) for a saving of $155 from the original quote of $250 :thumbs

I made the order late Saturday so will update when I receive the delivery.


Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 05:03:34 AM
I can’t wait for the battery to arrive… it’s only been a couple of days but I miss riding the ST (even if it is only to work and home)
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Wild Rose on October 22, 2012, 06:31:26 AM

Shiney
I got a battery from 'All Purpose Batteries' back in march for tht ST1300 it was purpost to be a complete sealed unit. when it turned up it was a add acid battery. I rang them and he said this is the way they transport them  :cuss.
Anyway I put acid in and charged it overnight. I put it in bike and no go. I pulled it out and took it to a battery place and they said it was "NO GOOD" so I sent it back 'at my expence'. For them to say it was no good but they would not send a refund as this was not there policy. Even though I believe they sent the wrong Battery. They never evan sent a credit slip
                                           :cuss    " SO I have placed them in the do not deal with list"  :cuss
I then went to Battery World and bought a Yuasa which I should have done in the first place. As I was heading off on a 5,000Km Ride to the Ulysses AGM in Mildura the following week

I hope you have better luck than I did   

Leo
 :rd13
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: saaz on October 22, 2012, 08:24:51 AM
The ST13 supposedly has a slightly undersized battery that what it needs, so looking after it is crucial.  Many of the 'sealed' batteries do come with the acid separately, including the normal Yuasa replacement battery.  There are other batteries that are sealed from the factory, Yuasa now make some and I have a Dekka that comes that way.  There are so many battery brands around at wildly vary prices that it can be confusing. Sometimes the cheaper batteries can be just as good as ones twice the price, and cheap and expensive ones can just fail.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 06:10:12 PM
Thanks for the warning Leo, hopefully they have improved since they :cuss you around and ripped you off.

The battery I purchased from them is liquid-free and fully sealed so hopefully I wont have the same issues with them >:()



This is the battery info from their site (http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=15 (http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=15))


YTZ14S AGM MOTORCYCLE BATTERY 285CCA [YTZ14S]    $95.00

 
SSB POWERSPORT absorbed glass mat batteries are completely sealed and ready-to-use out of the box! No need to mess with water and acid.

* The lack of free electrolyte reduces resistance and produces 25% more cranking amperage than the competition.

*The liquid-free design allows you to mount it almost anyway you want (but not upside down)

* The 2% monthly self-discharge rate means your bike can sit for extended periods without constant monitoring or recharging.

THIS IS A FULLY SEALED MAINTENANCE FREE HIGH PERFORMANCE BATTERY... USES THE LATEST AGM TECHNOLOGY....MOST ADVANCED ON THE MARKET!


Dimensions 150mm x 87mm 110mm.
Sealed replacement battery for YTX9BS,YTX12ABS,CTX9BS,CTX12ABS CTZ14S and FTZ14S

EXTREMELY HIGH CRANKING....285CCA ... EXTRA LONG LIFE COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL BATTERIES
This battery will fit;
 
Motorcycle
Make   CC   Model   Year

Honda    1300    ST1300, A, P    2003 - 2010


Saaz, as you say some of the cheaper batteries can be just as good as the more expensive ones :thumb
From what I have read and been told the SSB is one of them… I hope they are right :-[

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on October 22, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
I'm in the market for one myself shortly I think. It's getting a bit slow to crank. It's been in for 3 & 1/2 years. It was a cheap one, an Aero for $95 from memory.
I was actually out on a ride when my last one failed. Pulled in for fuel and wouldn't start. I was told that they are designed to collapse when they get to a certain point so as not to stress the electrics with low voltage or something. BROCK ????
Anyways, let me know how you go Shiney but I was going to ring around locally as I thought I might carry one with me on the weekend, but in the top box, not on my back, alar HarieG style. 
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
Skip, if you’re after a local place "Turbo Batteries" are located in Brendale.
They quoted $123 and have YTZ14-S batteries in stock (I just can’t remember what brand they supply)

Anyway I will update when I receive the battery from All Purpose.

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on October 22, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
Thanks mate. I'll ring around tomorrow.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: terrydj on October 22, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Posted here once before about batteries and said that I had just got a new Gel one.
Trouble was the experts said that their were no Gel batteries for bikes, even though the one I had said it was Gel, the company said it was Gel and the shop flogs them off as being Gel.

I would recommend getting a Gel Battery cause I'd get another one for sure if the one I have gave up the ghost??????
Just don't tell anyone, that's all
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: saaz on October 22, 2012, 08:48:47 PM
I think some places call them gel, but they are actually AGM (absorbed glass matt) or VRLA fully sealed batteries from the factory.  True gel batteries are more for deep cycle use (eg powering stuff for a long time) rather than for starting an engine due to the way they are constructed - power delivered over a period of time rather than in bursts needed for starting.

If you really want to read up on batteries have a look at this http://www.batteryfaq.org/ (http://www.batteryfaq.org/) as it has more information than you really need.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
Awesome, so the battery I ordered is a AGM, Absorbed Glass Mat (Gel :wink1) battery… nice :thumb :grin
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Poppy Dave on October 22, 2012, 10:28:22 PM
Shiney,

I got the very same battery from the same place and it's turned out to be a good buy. It came ready to use. I didn't actually use it for about 4-5 months, that's when my original battery died. I put it in and fired the bike up, no charging done, and it's been sweet ever since.


Dave                                                  :wht13
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 22, 2012, 10:39:01 PM
Dave that’s awesome news, :thumb I was starting to worry that I had purchased from the worst place around after reading Leo’s trouble with them :-[

From the sound of it they might be a company to only order non-acid batteries from. >:()

Thanks again guys :hatwave
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on October 23, 2012, 07:09:53 PM
Quoted $103.10 for an AGM from my local STealership today. Even had one in stock. Haven't picked it up yet so can't verify that it is indeed an AGM. Its on hold for me though. Will confirm later in the week.
Cheers.
Skip.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 23, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
That’s a bloody good price Skip :thumb
Which shop is it through?
And do you know what brand it is?
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on October 23, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
From memory I think they said it was a Power Volt and from Brisbane Motorcycles Caboolture. I'm sceptical about it being a AGM for that price but I'll let you know for certain after I've been to collect.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 23, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
Cool, thanks mate :thumb
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: STeveo on October 24, 2012, 07:13:13 AM
The Motobatt AGM for my 1100 was only $75.00 from the local battery place. The AGMs seem to be a lot cheaper than lead acid types. Have Motobatt AGMs in two other bikes too.

 :bl11
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 25, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
Battery arrived yesterday :hatwave
The order was processed on Monday and arrived at my house by courier on Wednesday :thumb

Removed the old battery (took a photo side by side with the new one :wink1)


(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w435/ShineyOzSTOC/Batteries.jpg)


Installed the new battery, :think1 wow, the starter turnover is much faster now and the bike is running well :runyay

So at this point it is doing as any battery should :) and my dealing with www.allpurposebatteries.com.au (http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au) was trouble free.

Thanks for reading all, I hope all the info will come in handy for anyone else that finds themselves needing a new battery :grin

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Tipsy on October 25, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
 :wht11 py

Thanks 4 the info Shiney

Tipay
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Wild Rose on October 26, 2012, 08:23:23 AM

Shiney

Was the Battery you recieved a fully sealed from fatory, because if it is which I suspect he lied to me when he told me that because of travel you add the acid later. I think they were out of the fully sealed one and just sent me the other. But it still doesn't explain why the one I received was a dud. I'm glad you got a good one

Leo
 :rd13
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Tipsy on October 26, 2012, 09:00:45 AM
 :wht11 py

Unfortunately there are lots of things that turn out to be DUDS when we get them.
And most we have to live with for 3 to 4 years.  :|||| Wot thuh :rofl

Tipsy
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: gaz on October 26, 2012, 04:27:52 PM
What!! :well no foto of the battery installed?  :law
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 27, 2012, 08:05:49 AM

Shiney

Was the Battery you recieved a fully sealed from fatory, because if it is which I suspect he lied to me when he told me that because of travel you add the acid later. I think they were out of the fully sealed one and just sent me the other. But it still doesn't explain why the one I received was a dud. I'm glad you got a good one

Leo
 :rd13

Leo,
The battery I ordered and received is factory sealed and liquid free (no acid)

I’m not sure if they send acid batteries without the acid in the battery >:() (a strange thing to do to a factory sealed battery I would think :well) but as you say they may have just sent you the non-sealed battery :fp

So for people after an “acid free” battery I would say they are a mob to consider :thumb… but if you are after an "acid" battery it could be better to look elsewhere :phone

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 27, 2012, 08:06:39 AM
What!! :well no foto of the battery installed?  :law

 :rofl    :rofl    :rofl 
Sorry Gaz I didn’t take a photo of the finished install
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Brock on October 27, 2012, 08:17:21 AM
An Acid filled battery cant be sent with acid in th it, due to international regulations and safety.  The so called sealed maintenance free acid filled batteries, have a sealing plate that is fitted after the battery id filled by you. This is suposed to catch moisture released during use and keep it in the battery..

The Glass mat batteries have the acid trapped in the glass wrapped around the plates. this makes it safer to handle.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 27, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
Thanks for the info Brock :-++
The delivery issues Leo had makes sense now, :think1 it sounds like he just received a dud :||||

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on October 27, 2012, 11:00:55 AM
Just picked up my battery and it says it is a Nano Gel. Wow. A 'Nano' Gel. Is that better than a plain old Gel? And yep a Power Volt, made in China, but then what isn't, and $103.10 from the Honda STealership.
 If it lasts as long as the current one I'll be happy with that.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on October 27, 2012, 11:06:44 AM
Thanks for the info Skip :-++

That is an awesome price :thumb (especially from a STealership :eek)

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: gaz on October 28, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
What!! :well no foto of the battery installed?  :law

 :rofl    :rofl    :rofl 
Sorry Gaz I didn’t take a photo of the finished install

poor form, very poor form  :-((( :-((( :cop :law
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gatey on August 26, 2013, 07:28:07 PM
My bike has a YTZ13s. Its close to dead now.

Whats the push start thing with these bikes. Does it work or just get your heart rate up and your bike further from the shade?

ceyas
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Skip on August 26, 2013, 08:29:09 PM
No worries clutching her but you want a good grade or a long hill. You don't want to have to push it back up. Trust me. Phew.  :H  BHA. (Before Heart Attack) Pays to buy one now and carry it in the top box if you think you can squeeze some more out of the old one.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: saaz on August 26, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
Push start works if you have some life in terms of the display coming on (been there done that with leaving the grips on at work before I wired them properly).  EFI bikes like the ST13 may be a bit more picky about how much voltage is needed to get the EFI pump working.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gatey on August 31, 2013, 02:15:47 PM
So I can say with all honesty...I got the last drop of life out of this battery. The last.

Cape was able to push start me in Warialda and I scampered for home. Pulled the pin on Nindigully Pub Ride which is a bugger. Cape has gone on,just rang me from Goodiwindi.

Gave the bike a crank when I got home and notin happened. Dead as the DoDo.

Felt good ordering a new battery and I'll have the bike back together in the morning :clap
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gatey on September 02, 2013, 03:35:03 PM
So the battery is back in the bike and the world is the correct way up.

Bought a battery through DTM Tamworth. 02 67622606
They build and service golk carts and goffers and heaps of other stuff. And they took a quick check in their catndogs to see what else would fit just in case.

So I have a

MOTOBATT MBTX9U.  This is a ready to go QuadFlex Battery 4 Terminal, AGM maintenance free. It replaces YTX9BS, YT12ABS, YTZ12S, YTZ14S,YTZ13S.


And it cost $79.00  in the store no emails/credit cards and all that tec stuff. Out of curiosity I enquired at a bike shop in town and they wanted $290.00 for the same thing :||||


much happier now
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: sleepin on November 04, 2013, 03:52:01 PM
I moved house and lost my battery charger. I used to keep the bike on "float" charge because I don't ride very often. Unfortunately, when I got the bike out earlier this week the battery had discharged to about 3.5V. Fortunately it recharged and I went off to battery world to buy a replacement anyway. I like the Yuasa mentioned earlier in the post but also found the price is too steep at the moment as it is rego time. The friendly sales person at my local battery world told me that as long as the voltage doesn't drop below 10V whilst cranking over then the battery should be ok for the moment. I tested it, 10.6V on cranking!!!. So after buying another float charger (I need one because the bike sits alot) I have decided to see if I can get some more time out of this current battery and I will test the voltage at cranking in a couple of months to keep an eye on it. To check the "cranking voltage" all you need to do is hook a multi-meter across the terminals whilst you get an assistant to start the bike. The lowest voltage that you read whilst it starting is apparently the "cranking voltage" of the battery. But..... we all have been at the servo in the middle of no-where when the battery won't go so it's a balance act of reliability vs cost
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gatey on November 04, 2013, 07:40:31 PM
Just buy the battery Sleepin

In the long run its just not worth the hassle. I made the old battery step just one servo too far and missed out on a good weekend out the bush. I knew the thing was on the way out but chose to be a tightarse and cost me.
At $79 it didn't kill the bank and I had 4 regos all in a line so it is doable. My bikes might sit for a few weeks then chew up a few thousand K's in a couple of days. The TDM is on its original battery at over 100,000 klm and we had a mild winter but I have noticed its a bit slower turning over so expect a new battery soon.
I just bought a CTeck charger for another job I'm working on. I should have bought two and worked a deal.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: West Aussie Glen on November 09, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
As my 08 1300 still has the original battery when offered one of these for $75 I thought it was worth trying. Weighs almost nothing.

http://batterytender.com/products/batteries/lithium-iron-phosphate-battery-lifepo4-la-eq-10-14.html (http://batterytender.com/products/batteries/lithium-iron-phosphate-battery-lifepo4-la-eq-10-14.html)

Weight and size almost unbeleivable, guess I will find out if their claims are true.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: saaz on November 09, 2013, 04:29:38 PM
The price of those seems to be coming down really fast.  At $75 well worth a try.

I noticed today that CTEK now has a specific charger for Lithium batteries.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gavo on August 05, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
Just got one of these, seems the CCAs are getting bigger

A whopping 340


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160)


original battery was in as long as ive had bike atleast ,4 yrs

Himura CTZ14S   172cca

Battery analyser indicating 000 cca 0% health
just dead wont hold a charge

Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on August 05, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
Just got one of these, seems the CCAs are getting bigger

A whopping 340


[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160[/url])


original battery was in as long as ive had bike atleast ,4 yrs

Himura CTZ14S   172cca


Looks like a good one, thanks for letting us know :thumbsup
How long did it take to arrive and was it packaged well?
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Biggles on August 05, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
That's a good price for a lead/acid, especially with free postage, since with over 3kg weight, the postage is considerable.  340 CCA from PbAGM is very hefty.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gavo on August 05, 2014, 09:13:36 PM
Paid for it havnt got it yet expecting Saturday seeing as they indicate Friday
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: twisted 1 on August 06, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
Had to laugh, 4wd Extreme is a side line for a battery company I work for, you will find the battery packaged extremely well and will be extremely happy with the battery. I have had the same 1 in my ST since September last year.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gavo on August 09, 2014, 12:14:34 AM
Couldnt beleave it , Arrived this morning

(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/gavo66/ST%20Cub/128A0874-1821-4F73-A3A9-734D3F433C47_zpswsnrxicb.jpg)

Packaged really well (twisted 1)

(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/gavo66/ST%20Cub/18E49EF1-171D-46B4-9465-59FF309D37A4_zpst6epgjyo.jpg)


(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i461/gavo66/ST%20Cub/0440AC1E-71FE-4DED-94FB-F0DACC22DEF8_zpsuplssbxh.jpg)


When i put the analyser on it , came up with 360 CCA   :like   Bonus
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Shiney on August 12, 2014, 09:29:27 AM
Awesome :thumbsup

It looks like a great deal, packaged very well and the CCA is brilliant, thanks for sharing :-++ :-++ :-++
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: ST2UP on December 30, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
Thanks Shiney and all those who contributed  :like

Used this info to purchase a SSB from their eBay store......$91.50 delivered  ++


 :beer
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Piet on December 30, 2014, 08:54:22 PM
I ordered the the Glass Mat construction battery for my ST1100 from All Purpose back in August last for $80.00.
Definitely no acid to fill, completely sealed.  Post was no issue at all.  Not missed a beat since then, and it better not have.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gadget on January 03, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Just got one of these, seems the CCAs are getting bigger

A whopping 340


[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SSB-12V-RTZ14-S-AGM-MOTORCYCLE-BATTERY-YTZ14-S-YTZ14S-YTZ12-S-YTZ12S-HONDA-750-/321201389907?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160[/url])


original battery was in as long as ive had bike atleast ,4 yrs

Himura CTZ14S   172cca

Battery analyser indicating 000 cca 0% health
just dead wont hold a charge



I just bought one of these as well.  Current price $91.50 free postage. 

Due to the Christmas/New Year break, I'm not expecting it until the end of next week at the earliest.  (They go back to work on Monday too).

Battery is not dead yet, but it takes a few cranks to get it started.  Looking forward to a new battery.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gadget on January 03, 2015, 07:34:01 PM
WOW! Despite their website saying they were closed until the 5th, I received an email at 7:15 pm to say it has been sent and expected delivery is Tuesday 6th Jan. Talk about good service. :thumb

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk

Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Gadget on January 06, 2015, 08:32:17 PM
It arrived today before Lunchtime.  Well wrapped and in god condition.

Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk

Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: ST2UP on January 06, 2015, 08:42:07 PM
I ordered mine on the 30th and it was only sent today after a phone call  :whistle
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: cravenhaven on February 15, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
Had to laugh, 4wd Extreme is a side line for a battery company I work for, you will find the battery packaged extremely well and will be extremely happy with the battery. I have had the same 1 in my ST since September last year.

I dont want to cast any aspersions here, but I bought an SSB battery from 4WDExtreme several months back and twice it has been completely flat, ie voltage reading was in millivolts. In the first case the battery had been fully charged and then the bike had been sitting for about 6 weeks, and in this latest instance less than 2 weeks since a very long ride. In between times it has been left for varying amounts of time and been no trouble at all. The previous batteries had shown no such effects and I havent made any changes to the electricals of the bike.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to proceed with nailing down the problem?.

I have noticed that in both instances the battery charges up very quickly once the bike gets started. The first time, I had it running for just a couple of minutes after jump starting from another battery, and then had to switch off and remove the key so that I could put the panniers and seat back on. It was no trouble at all to restart after that. This second time, I connected the battery charger and a spare battery on for a few minutes and there was just enough voltage to get it started. I then rode 5K's down the road to a cafe for breakfast and 45 minutes later it started without any sign of a problem.

Allan
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Brock on February 15, 2015, 05:20:35 PM
Check the connections at the battery terminals, the starter motor relay and earth point. There may be a slightly loose connection.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: cravenhaven on February 15, 2015, 05:34:52 PM
Check the connections at the battery terminals, the starter motor relay and earth point. There may be a slightly loose connection.
Thanks Brock,
I have an Anderson pug wired straight to the battery and measured the voltage on its terminals to get the voltmeter readings I mentioned. When I connected the other battery and charger via the anderson plug and turned the ignition key on, it immediately sprang to life. So I dont think it is connectors, though I will check them to be sure.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: twisted 1 on February 16, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
If your battery is so flat that it won't start your bike, then jump starting and riding the motorcycle with your lights on will not sufficiently charge your battery, this is the same as only charging the battery for a short time and then using it. You are at risk of damaging the battery by not using it in a fully charged state. The battery will not go flat in a short time unless something is drawing on the battery. I work for a battery company an also run SSB batteries in my bikes (AGM), I would suggest charging the battery fully on a charger of around 4 amps  with a specific setting for AGM batteries and the battery should preform as expected. Perhaps get the charging system checked and if you can get hold of a clamp meter check for any voltage drop from the battery when connected to the bike. If you have any further issues with your battery don't hesitate to get in touch.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: cravenhaven on February 16, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
Hi Twisted,
As I mentioned the battery was only reading millivolts at the times I mentioned.
In the first case I had charged the battery from new with a modern battery charger capable of up to 16 amps, but then did not ride the bike for about 6 weeks and was surprised that it was so flat. Even the old battery had never gone that flat before.
The charging system on the bike works fine as attested to by the rapid recovery of what appears to be a totally dead battery being able to restart the bike after just a few minutes of use.
I perhaps didnt make it clear that the battery I have currently installed is an SSB Lithium technology. I have never used a battery with this technology before so am not sure what to expect, however I did not expect it to go flat to 0 volts within a matter of weeks. If this had been a lead/acid technology battery I could safely have assumed that it would never recover from such a low voltage, but this Lithium one seems to run just fine once it fires itself up ??.
The run on Sunday was for about 6 hours, so I think the bike should have charged the battery quite well in that time. I checked the voltage this afternoon and it was well over 13 volts, so all good so far. I also checked the battery terminals and noted that they were not as tightly attached as I had thought so maybe that has some bearing on the matter, although the first time this happened I measured the voltage directly on the battery and it was very flat.
I guess time will tell.

Allan
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: twisted 1 on February 16, 2015, 09:18:33 PM
That is puzzling, I sold a lithium to a mate with an FJR and he has let it sit for over 2 months and it still fired up the bike. Lithium do recover voltage and charge up usually quicker than other battery technologies.  I will ask 1 of the techs at work tomorrow and see what he thinks.
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: JC on August 31, 2015, 11:39:16 PM
On Friday morning I was getting ready to go to work, got all my gear on and jumped on the bike, and that was when I got a rude surprise…
The battery didn’t have enough power to start the motor :||||

Anyway I rode the cruiser in to work and started to look around for a new battery.
(Battery for the ST1300 is YTZ14-S)

1.   Battery World: quoted just under $250 for a Yuasa
2.   Repco: said they only have a couple of motorbike batteries and none of them would be suitable.
3.   Supercheap: quoted $440 for the Yuasa :eek :eek :eek and said they would have to order one in.
4.   Batteriesdirect.com.au: quoted (+ $15 delivery) $228.65 for the Yuasa or $117.78 for a SSB… I called them to find out what the difference between the two brands was.
He said the price difference is due to just the brand name and that the SSB actually has higher Cold Crank Amps at 285 as opposed to 230 for the Yuasa.
5.   Turbo Batteries: quoted $123 for another brand (I forget which one :fp)
6.   Allpurposebatteries.com.au: quoted $95 with free delivery for the SSB.

So that was prices worked out (All Purpose Batteries the winner :thumb)  :think1 the next step was to work out if the issue was the battery or the alternator.

When I got home from work I had RACQ around to test my battery and alternator… >:()
Battery was stuffed, alternator was good producing a solid 14 volts.

Had a chat to him and he said the battery must have been on the way out for some time but as I ride almost every day it wouldn’t have been as noticeable. (I hadn't ridden for a few days as I had stuff to do around the house and didn't get a chance to ride)

So at the end of all that, I went for the SSB from [url=http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au]www.allpurposebatteries.com.au[/url] ([url]http://www.allpurposebatteries.com.au[/url]) for a saving of $155 from the original quote of $250 :thumbs

I made the order late Saturday so will update when I receive the delivery.


Cheers
Shiney


Bugger the rest, get the best. I have been buying SHORAI Lithium batteries for my bikes for many years, as the lead versions require lots of standby charging, or they die too soon.

http://shoraipower.com.au/store/products/lfx19a4-bs12/ (http://shoraipower.com.au/store/products/lfx19a4-bs12/)

These don't require standby charging and retain most of their charge for at least six months.


Title: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Z900owner on October 25, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Hi

After letting my bike sit for 4 months the battery has died big time. I have recharged it but it is STuffed.

I see that this topic has not been updated for quite a while so I was wondering if anyone had any more feedback/ advice on which battery I should buy

On E Bay the price has come down a fair bit but I don't want to buy something  that will die after 12 months     


Thanks

John 
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Scarlett Thunderbolt on October 25, 2016, 04:32:14 PM
hey John... i am no authority on ST1300 batteries... i replaced Miss Scarlett's battery, about 18 months ago, with one of these...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-ST1300-YTZ14S-DRY-CELL-SSB-BATTERY-12V-340CCA-YTZ12S-YTZ14S/252433543882?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D0e4e5417a20844c8a4adc53eef152ffd%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D17%26sd%3D262493149319 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-ST1300-YTZ14S-DRY-CELL-SSB-BATTERY-12V-340CCA-YTZ12S-YTZ14S/252433543882?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D0e4e5417a20844c8a4adc53eef152ffd%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D17%26sd%3D262493149319)

(sorry about the huge fleabay link)... and it's been a great battery for a STeed that does not get started every week, it's an Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) type, with lotsa Cold Cranking Amps (340CCA)... it's about $90 and free postage.... do yourself a favour and find another few $$ for a trickle charger.... a good type of charger may even be able to 'shock' your dead battery back to life... maybe good for a spare. cheers, John
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Nigel on October 25, 2016, 07:49:54 PM
Hi

After letting my bike sit for 4 months the battery has died big time. I have recharged it but it is STuffed.

I see that this topic has not been updated for quite a while so I was wondering if anyone had any more feedback/ advice on which battery I should buy

On E Bay the price has come down a fair bit but I don't want to buy something  that will die after 12 months     


Thanks

John

Must use a trickle charger. ....................All my bikes have them and no issues................... :wht11
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: Z900owner on October 25, 2016, 08:24:47 PM
You sold me, I am going to order a SSB tomorrow when the doors open, I saw this add on Gumtree, prices start at $69.00 including delivery

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/canning-vale/motorcycle-scooter-parts/bike-batteries/1117094045 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/canning-vale/motorcycle-scooter-parts/bike-batteries/1117094045)

I have contacted the business owner and am just waiting for him to come back to me with a price.

Thanks for your input

Regards

John
Title: Re: ST1300 Battery
Post by: JC on October 26, 2016, 07:09:41 AM
My Shorai batteries are now six years old and going strong.

As they have a very slow self discharge rate, they are zero maintenance and don't go too flat by themselves for about twelve months.
No mucking around connecting/disconnecting chargers after every ride with them.

These batteries come with a three year warranty in Australia.