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Damaged Airbox screw
« on: April 20, 2022, 08:10:16 PM »
Trying to remove the airbox to fit my cruise control, and find a butcher has been there before me. I am using the correct screwdriver from the bike's toolkit, but I suspect that this one is beyond it.

If I drill the head off, will there be enough thread left after removing the housing to get hold of with a pair of vice-grips, or will I have to drill far enough to get an ezy-out into it?

Does anyone have any other ideas? Drilling it would be a last resort measure.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 08:26:27 PM »
Drill with a lefthand drill bit, if it grabs it may screw the screw out. If not and you use the right size you can then use an easy out.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 09:02:41 PM »
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Drill with a lefthand drill bit, if it grabs it may screw the screw out. If not and you use the right size you can then use an easy out.

Snap... I was going to say the same.  Make sure you cover that hole first, fill with a rag and tape over. dont want swarf (metal bits) getting into dont go areas..
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 09:30:41 PM »
I have been a mechanic for 40 years, sometimes professionally, and I have never heard of left-handed drill bits. Everywhere I have worked has just used standard ones.

The left-handed ones make difference to your success rate?
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2022, 10:35:55 PM »
I started my mechanical engineering 54 (correction I started in 1970 so only 52 years ago)years ago and only came across left hand or reverse action drills this year. This is one link but not the set I have. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185002127352?hash=item2b12fc6ff8:g:3qEAAOSwmORhGytg
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2022, 11:40:42 PM »
I came across them a few years ago while in the RAAF, (OK that was 27 years ago)  . I recently got a couple. When drilling a stuck screw, they often bite and pull the screw out.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2022, 10:00:42 AM »
I started my mechanical engineering 54 (correction I started in 1970 so only 52 years ago)years ago and only came across left hand or reverse action drills this year.

This makes me feel like less of an ignoramus.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2022, 06:15:51 PM »
Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2022, 06:48:21 PM »
Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??

My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2022, 11:09:38 PM »
Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??

My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
The end comes off my old impact drive leaving a 1/2" drive to which you can fit lots of things. See attached PDF
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2022, 11:10:43 PM »
Vessel make a beaut JIS impact screwdriver...

https://tinyurl.com/5ha8j7as

Not real cheap but I reckon they are definitely worth it and much better than a standard phillips head screwdriver!  :thumbs


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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2022, 11:20:29 PM »
Worth a read if you don't know the difference between a JIS screwdriver and a Phillips screwdriver...

https://www.motorcycle.com/ask-mo-anything/difference-between-japanese-jis-phillips.html


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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2022, 11:23:08 AM »
Impact drivers bought. A #2 and a #3. They are about on par with the sets like a standard impact driver for price, so not too bad, and I was looking at another of those just for the bits.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2022, 11:28:44 AM »
Couple of taps with an impact screw driver might just loosen it up??

My impact driver is a 40year old Kmart one, with 8mm hex bits. Unfortunately, the bit I need has gone west, and I haven't seen 8mm ones anywhere else, ever. The driver works so well that I am loathe to buy another one, but I might have to.
The end comes off my old impact drive leaving a 1/2" drive to which you can fit lots of things. See attached PDF

Mine does  the same, Glen. But to get a 6mm bit on it is a 1/2-3/8 adaptor, then a 3/8 - 1/4, then a 6mm socket, then a bit. And I will still probably drop the bit down the guts of the thing. :cuss :cuss
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2022, 12:33:49 PM »

Mine does  the same, Glen. But to get a 6mm bit on it is a 1/2-3/8 adaptor, then a 3/8 - 1/4, then a 6mm socket, then a bit. And I will still probably drop the bit down the guts of the thing. :cuss :cuss
Yes along way around but I have had to do that (except I could go to a 3/8" 6mm socket) and it works.
Good luck.
If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2022, 01:40:49 PM »

If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.

Haven't even thought about that yet. I will probably need three of them before I am done. Two more are showing signs of being reluctant.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2022, 09:44:18 PM »

If you have trouble getting a replacement screw let me know.

Haven't even thought about that yet. I will probably need three of them before I am done. Two more are showing signs of being reluctant.

Screws seem to be available from one of the bigger dealers in Adelaide, and I will try my local Honda shop first. I am going to need three of them.  :cuss :cuss :cuss
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2022, 08:29:35 AM »
Or you could just use some Allen head screws with spacers and flat washers easily available at Bunnings or most nut and bolt places.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2022, 11:10:22 AM »
Use stainless bolts, the wont corrode into the threads..
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2022, 07:49:56 PM »
Or you could just use some Allen head screws with spacers and flat washers easily available at Bunnings or most nut and bolt places.

I take it the spacers are in place of the shoulder on the stock bolt?
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2022, 08:45:32 PM »
Yes, some aluminium or steel tubing cut to correct size 👍
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2022, 08:11:32 PM »
JIS screw drivers (#2 and #3) and left-handed drill bits (that sounds like an apprentice test, like a long weight) arrived yesterday, so tomorrow might be time for the next attempt. Replacement screw are on the way from Honda. Not cheap, but available.

Watch this space.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2022, 08:40:26 PM »
Success!

 It ended up being a drill and ezy-out job, on three screws, and  the JIS impact driver got the fourth. Once the last one came out, I quickly packed up and left it for the day, so that I didn't push my luck with the mechanic Gods. Three successful attempts out of three with ezy-outs was stretching the friendship in my book.
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Re: Damaged Airbox screw
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2022, 08:49:04 PM »
 :runyay Good Effort
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