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General Category => Active Polls => Topic started by: Diesel on October 14, 2011, 10:20:11 PM
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Just want to see if we're buying our girls 'top shelf' drinks, or they're happy hauling on 'beer'.
Who's the smart :butt who put option 16?
If you change around, then pick the one you'd prefer!
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There is no option for just plain 91, dont have that E10 stuff in the West that I know of
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There is no option for just plain 91, dont have that E10 stuff in the West that I know of
Problem fixed. have another look.
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Thanks :popcorn
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Mine has only ever been fed BP ultimate cept for when I'm out in the boonies but always Premium
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Can anyone out there say they've had a bad or better experience on a particular fuel? Better mileage? Smoother Running?
I generally ALWAYS fill up with BP Ultimate Premium (when the Diesel bowser's occupied), and get fantastic performance and economy from it - but it IS 10cpl more than Reg.
Anyone else?
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The ST13 experience is probably a bit different as it is fuel injected and 95 is recommended. The ST11 uses 91 standard.
I have probabaly had more variations in how the bike felt and distance from a tank more from where I filled up than between E10, 95 etc. On the way up to Eungella I used 98 on the first tank but the weather was rubbish so I did not feel any love for it :) Distance from the tank about normal given the conditions. A few fills with 91 and they were ok but nothing more in better conditions (it was Queensland 91 so most likely inferior!). Used E10 on the way back and best mileage and feel the whole trip. Around home I use a local caltex mostly and I get consistent results, but they have high turnover. When using other servos I find it can be a bit more hit and miss. I have had some fills on 91 from country servos that were not great, others where I got great performace, and some around Canberra where it was not great either. I find 95 and 98 make the ST11 a bit more cold blooded in the cooler parts of the year, but once warmed up no noticeable difference in performance.
BTW, depending on where you are the E10 and 91 probably come from the same refinery so no difference between them. Storage and turnover matter more. 95 and 98 can be different as they like to keep some things to themselves. The higher octane fuels can run cleaner, as they should for the price. BP is hard to find around here but Caltex is common.
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Around home I use a local caltex mostly and I get consistent results, but they have high turnover.
That wouldn't be on Marybyrnong Ave next to the local shops by any chance would it? :p
Also - E10 is said (by certain minorities) to be damaging for certain engines (compression & oil rings and valve seals specifically) with prolonged use.... any truth in this from your experience John?
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I am a BP man through and through, think i got told once about pinging or something, but i have the only reason now is i find the bike is always happy, and i always use premium, figure it is the best thing for the bike.
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:-[What is E10 cant say ive ever noticed it ?
It's that Ethanol based muck they sell on the east coast we don't have it over here (yet)
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Diesel, yes the caltex near the IGA. I have used E10 a lot in the car and ST11 with no obvious problems. The caltex now only sells E10, 95 and 98 (and diesel). For the car it is a good solution as it has been optimised to take advantage of the higher octane (94 plus) so I use it instead of 95, but goes even better on the 98 (but not 14 cpl better!) I have probably used E10 in the car for about 140,000kms out of the 156,000kms it has on it. The bike probably 60,000kms out of the 90,000kms I have only put on it myself (total of 156,000kms).
If not rated for the use of E10 it can cause problems with rubber components that may not be up to the ethanol, so that may include valve stem seals and things like hoses and carb parts. I looked into my carbs recently and all the rubber parts looked as good and flexible as new. I know that various Kawasakis cannot use more than E5 for warranty purposes (E5 is the European level of ethanol). I doubt whether rings etc would be adversely affected unless the use of E10 leaned out the tuning too much in carb engines.
I have seem pictures and reports that supposedly show a lot more crud buildup in engines, and some have blamed ethanol for failures in ST11 carb diaphrams, but I suspect a lot of that is from the US where the standards seem lax, petrol quality very suspect in places (petrol additives have to be designed for ethanol use) and E10 turning out to be E40! Australia should not have those problems. Many long term users of E10, because it has been mandated for many years in some parts of the US, don't report problems, but others get problems as soon as they go through some states. As many bike manufacturers say no ethanol at all, I don't know how warranty would work in states with mandated levels of the stuff. E10 can have issues if not stored properly and petrol station tanks not clean and water removed. If in doubt I go for whatever seems to be the highest volume seller.
Oh yes, E10 is not that great for the environment all things considered.
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only ever use 98 Octane, BP where possible
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Unleaded...the blue one I think, or the yellow...I don't discriminate
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My ST is refined,distinguished so 'she' performs best by sipping a fine 98 octane , so i can enjoy riding her all day long........on a side note as a rep i've used different blends in my cars 95 oct' seems to be a good balance for milage and power,the milage is easy to measure between the fuels as for power i think shelll v power and its suggested advantages is advertising to the extreme.....as any of the cars i've driven own/company/hire have never lacked performance when needed with even e10/91 octane...........hmmmm sunny day outside.........ST in the garage............cya's
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When I bought my ST, a good mate who upgraded (?) to a 'wing, told me to use the best I could get, so it's always premium or 98 octane for me
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Looks like you get what ylou pay for. On the Gold Coast I get 91 for around $1.40 a litre??? But have just found out it must of been made in China or Taiwan cause today in Middlemount close to the edge of nowhere I paid $1.80 a litre for 91, for a guaranteed Australian product????
Its either you get what you pay for or up here in Miners country or it may be, you pay for what you get
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I've noticed a few replies stating people use on particular brand of fuel, e.g. BP, Shell or whatever.
Got news for you. It's all the same.
I used to work for a national fuel chain in Port Hedland and Karratha WA. Unleaded/Premium was picked up from BP Terminal at Port Hedland and delivered by contracted tanker company to all branded sites in the region. Diesel Fuel came from Dampier.
On my St1100 I use unleaded normally. If E10 is available I will use that.
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G'day mate,
:hatwave
:think1
There are only seven (7) Oil Refineries in Australia producing all the nations unleaded fuel.
QLD - BP and Caltex
NSW - Shell and Caltex
VIC - Mobil and Shell (incl Tas & SA)
WA - BP
The unlisted in each State receives fuel from the listed with their own peculiar additive & colour.
My ST11 runs S!@# ^)#$E on E10 (Ethanol) & fumes are awful
My ST11 goes gooder on 91
My ST11 goes no different on 95 or 98
Sooo why pay more ?? - I average around 49 MPG (work that out youngunns) allright - about 5.5 litre / 100 km OR
17-18 km / litre commuting around Brisbane AANNDD
around 62 MPG (20-21 km / litre) @ dollar 5 to dollar 10 (not full noise) when doing 800 - 1000 km days eg Brisbane = Sydney - loaded - Panniers - Top Box and
Tank bag on Pax seat.
Couldna be 'appier
Keep ST ing
Bob :dred11
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I have had my 2003 ST1300 for about 6 months now. I was only getting around 300klm out of a tank and took it to a Honda dealer for advise. $800 later with a full service, injector service, coolant change and a knock sensor wire replaced it is better. Getting around 450 to 500k a tank around town now. The head tech informed me that I should never run hi octane in the 1300, they dont like it and any fuel problems he has repaired he says came down to using 98. He advised to just run plain old 91 so that what im going g to do for the next couple of months and see how it goes. :rd13
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He advised to just run plain old 91 so that what im going g to do for the next couple of months and see how it goes. :rd13
I'm a bit surprised he says it causes problems.
The only problem I was aware of was wasting at least 10 cents per litre (or at least $2 a tank). I've only ever run any of my three STs on 91. Never heard a ping, even under load. And I routinely get 5.5 l/100k around town and 5.0 on a trip.
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Just reading these old posts.
For what it is worth, my old neighbor was a fuel tester for a racing company and advised me that as a result of their testing on all fuels he recommended BP first, Mobile second, Shell last.
My Honda Mechanic advised me not to use premium which I was using initially but have now gone back to regular BP when I can get it.
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I was advised not to use Shell a while ago, so it BP first and then the rest. By the way I was also advised not to use Caltex diesel so I mainly use Shell, but not many of us use diesel. I was using 95 so I might try 91.
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I rarely use BP, they are too expensive.. I use Gull/Puma usually they are close, cheap and as they aregoing through a lot of fuel, contamination hasnt been a problem.I havent found any brand better or worse than an other.
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Whatever octane rated fuel you use do not buy it in the main street of Wilcannia.
Don't ask me why.
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We only have a Caltex (we rarely use) in town but the tyre dealer (has 4c discount from supermarket) has a pump which the sign suggest is BP but I've seen a Mobil tanker drop the fuel off. There's another pump at the RAA contractor but it's hardly used by anyone.
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I believe BP 91 has 10% Ethanol. Not for me
I try to run Caltex 95 when I can
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I believe BP 91 has 10% Ethanol. Not for me
I try to run Caltex 95 when I can
BP has both ULP 91 and E10 http://www.bp.com/en_au/australia/products-services/fuels/regular-fuels.html (http://www.bp.com/en_au/australia/products-services/fuels/regular-fuels.html)
If anything E10 has replaced PULP (95) at some Liberty and United branded sites in SA. E10 is usually cheaper than 91 so I use that when returning from dad's place in the Riverland
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Ethanol fuel must be plainly labelled to identify it as such by law, there is a standard that enforces this, If stations are selling ethanol blend without labelling at the pump they should be reported. I won't run ethanol blend in anything but I don't have any particular preference for any particular servo. All the fuel here comes from the same bulk tanks and the tankers just fill up and deliver to their particular stations. I think the biggest problem is fuel from servos with low turnover of fuel.
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Any of the above, depending on where you are at the time. Some outback servos only had 91 octane fuel, so that's what we used.