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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Farkles and Gear General Section => Topic started by: Streak on October 08, 2012, 07:04:11 AM
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Well I have decided my KBC Full face has had it's day, and I want a new helmet.
I want a flip face, but there seems to be a quite a few options out there, the Shark evoline, the RJAYS tourtech, HJC Symax, to name a couple
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What are everyone's thoughts, experiences, and/or reccomendations?
Cheers
Streak
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I definatly like the flip up type, but they do have a bit more wind noise. I use an english made Nitro F317 that I bought from the motorcycle discount place at Yatala. Fitted my bumps straight away, has removable liner and I find comfortable all day.
:bl11
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A flip front is what I use, with an internal flip down sun shield.
Its an RJs tourtech. May look at a Shark evoline next.
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Streak
I am also looking at getting a new flipface helmet. I have not had much of a chance to look around.
I have had a Nolan N102 flip face for nearly 5 years which has been a good helmet a bit noiser than the ordanary full face
but not to bad behind the big ST screen which is good.
I will be looking at the new Nolan flipface which now has the sun visor under the screen. Shark Evoline 2 which has addressed some of the wind noise problem they had with them. Looking forward to other members comet who may have purchased a new helmet recently
Leo
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I have an early HJC Symax and a Shark Evoline (it says a 1 but inside has bits of a 2) In some ways I still prefer the HJC as it is roomier and has a larger view port, so easier to scan around, and a bit more space to my chin. The Evoline is a snugger fit and seems to fog up more, but it is easy to slightly crack open the visor. It is still a bit tight on the forehead. Probably quieter than the HJC, but HJC have new models out. The Evoline 2 should be better. I use earplugs all the time so don't worry about any noise difference. An internal sunvisor is a great feature - a pity mine broke in the Shark on the Border run when I really needed it. The main advantage of the shark is that it is a true open face helmet when you want it, and is rated as such. The HJC should not really be ridden with the front flipped up, as it is not crash rated for that.
I would advise trying some on first as the one you decide on might not fit properly. I tried a Nolan bit it did not fit my head shape.
I should have mentioned that both of my flips just happened to be bought at half price or less for one reason or another. If I was paying full price I would consider going the extra step up to the new Shoei, but I have not tried one on. I use to not have a Shoei shaped head, but that was many years ago.
You may have already checked out www.webbikeworld.com (http://www.webbikeworld.com) for their assessments
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Over the years I've had a few Flip up Helmets. An Rj's, a Nolan (Piece of crap), KBC, Shark (Another piece of crap) and a couple of Sheuberths :thumbsup
My pick of the lot is the Shueberth, just the best fitting and quietest of em all, followed by the RJ's.
My Nolan fell apart and was the worst of em all
The Shark had some good features, but just never worked and was on its way to the bin but a mate wanted it???
A few I have met that ride heaps and do the distance swear by the Shoei Multitec, the late Davo from Fariders being one
The only flip up Helmet I would recommend is the Shueberth :thumbsup
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:wht11 py
I have a shark evo 2 (Moovit Model) I find it a little noisy but made some adjustments of my own which did improve it some what.
The next one will be the series 3 Shark ($599.95) or a Schuberth but I do not know what price they are here in Aus or where in Aus to get one,
Tipsy
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I've got the Nolan 102. I love it, comfortable, easy to operate one hand, not to heavy. Sun visor included external so you don't have to open the visor to lift the sun visor.
http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n102ncom.htm (http://www.nolanhelmets.com/n102ncom.htm)
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Hey Graeme , I know you said you were shopping for a flip front lid but... I have found they are both noisier and much heavier then my new Shoei. I did struggle with the decision to move away from the flip lid but am more then happy with the end result. And just a little less figiting with my mic wiring. Cheers Brian
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I am also in the helmet market. There is an interesting write up on the Nolan N-43 in the August Ulysses magazine.
Does anybody have one?
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so far happy with the shark evoline2 but they say the evoline3 is lighter, easier to use and more comfortable. we both found it took a while to wear in but! yes i recomend shark :thumbs
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yep, i think the Shark Evoline 3 is the way to go, Toowoomba Honda is giving me a 7.5% discount because of OzSTOC, makes the helmet instead of $599.95, it becomes $554.95, so love shopping local!
I am just weighing up colours, I have a black/White Jacket, so i am thinking of matching the helmet, so am looking at either of these:
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now thats good. stock price of evoline2. if you get the 3 do a report please
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I've got an RJays TourTech, and found it OK for the money, but I think next time, I'd spend a bit (lot) more on something of better quality. From what I've researched, the Shoei Noetec is top of the list, but up until the last few weeks, they have not been available in Aust. MCAS in Auburn, Sydney had a couple in my wife's size, but she almost died at a mention of the price of $850.
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Don't blame her :eek
I've got a Shark Evoline 2, and whilst is comfortable to wear it's very noisy, lots of wind rush etc. tipsy mate, what mods did you make to save your hearing? I have to wear ear plugs otherwise I'm deaf after a coupler of hours.
Sabine, the tinted visor is internal on the Evoline, but it is operated by a small slide on the outside of the helmet at the top the forehead, so the clear visor doesn't need to raised to lift or lower the shade.
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if you want a great review on the shark Evoline 3, he compares it to to the Shark Evoline 2
Shark Evoline 3 ST Helmet Review at RevZilla.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCmJt8bc7TI#ws)
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Sounds like some of the fit and venting issues have been addressed from my experience with the Shark. Not having to worry about making sure the visor is all the way up before lifting the chinbar would be good. I will have to look at one to see if the relatively smaller size of the view port has been addressed compared to my HJC.
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I tried the Shark on at Toowoomba Honda, it was a size Large and it was a perfect fit, i think it is talking to me in my sleep...buy me....buy me....
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I have the Evoline 3 and think it is a great helmet, I also believe Onenut has the same opinion, very comfortable and can be used as full face, open face with visor down or only the sun shield. In various Perth suburbs price is mostly $599 although Savage Suzuki in Midvale are $569.
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http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2391&rt=nc&_nkw=shark+evoline+3&_dmpt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=15&_sc=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2391&rt=nc&_nkw=shark+evoline+3&_dmpt=AU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=15&_sc=1)
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One benefit of buying local is that Shark have a 5 year warranty. You take it back to where you bought it and they either get it fixed or replace it. I had to post mine back to get the sun visor fixed.
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My next one will be the Shark Evoline 3 (in the bright colour)
:eek
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Dave Roper (Onenut) had a 1 or 2, not sure which, he purchased 2 online, a fault I believe it was the lining, developed, he took it into Helmet House in Vic Park, Perth, they had the rep look at it and he was supplied with a new 3 under warranty. You have to go online to register the helmet and the warranty is good for 5 years anywhere apparently.
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My next one will be the Shark Evoline 3 (in the bright colour)
:eek
Well if none of the bike shops come on board, at least the bike shop here is offering a good price and you will all be able to come and visit me to, i am still buggered if i know which black/white, white/black combo to go with...
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No doubt you have seen this website, and freight is about $18-19 Aussie dollars. A bloke at work showed me this today, just food for thought.
http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/sec006877bce5/?ViewAction=DetailSearchProducts&ObjectID=2587584&PagerSize=5&Search=SF-AllStrings&SearchString=shark%20evoline%203&Page=2 (http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/sec006877bce5/?ViewAction=DetailSearchProducts&ObjectID=2587584&PagerSize=5&Search=SF-AllStrings&SearchString=shark%20evoline%203&Page=2)
You can change the currency exchange in the top right corner of their site.
Cheers
Dave
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Dave Roper (Onenut) had a 1 or 2, not sure which, he purchased 2 online, a fault I believe it was the lining, developed, he took it into Helmet House in Vic Park, Perth, they had the rep look at it and he was supplied with a new 3 under warranty. You have to go online to register the helmet and the warranty is good for 5 years anywhere apparently.
Correct Yorkie,
It was a 1. I bought it on-line from Action Auto's in Parramatta. Had it about 18 months, and that was wearing it just about every day. The chin-bar became very hard to raise. I called into Helmet House asking if there was a lubricant they could recommend. Then as Yorkie states it was replaced with a 3 and the Warranty started again, 5 years. EXCELLENT after sales service by Shark and EXCEPTIONAL service by the Helmet House seeing as I didn't buy it from them. Highly recommend them both.
Dave
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No doubt you have seen this website, and freight is about $18-19 Aussie dollars. A bloke at work showed me this today, just food for thought.
[url]http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/sec006877bce5/?ViewAction=DetailSearchProducts&ObjectID=2587584&PagerSize=5&Search=SF-AllStrings&SearchString=shark%20evoline%203&Page=2[/url] ([url]http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/sec006877bce5/?ViewAction=DetailSearchProducts&ObjectID=2587584&PagerSize=5&Search=SF-AllStrings&SearchString=shark%20evoline%203&Page=2[/url])
You can change the currency exchange in the top right corner of their site.
Cheers
Dave
Has anyone ever bought a helmet on-line overseas, as I thought that buying OS might mean potential legal problems with no AS1698 certification on the helmet? I could be wrong, but for some reason, that was the impression that I had.....
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If your pulled over and theirs no sticker on the back you walk home. Trouble is the sticker is easy to see from the back and if its not their???????
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If your pulled over and theirs no sticker on the back you walk home. Trouble is the sticker is easy to see from the back and if its not their???????
So far I have been lucky
Tipsy
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Why would you buy a helmet that hadn't met the Aus standards, AS1698, and risk a fine.
I'm pretty sure the standards label also needs to be affixed/printed on the helmet liner.
Brad
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I did a bit more research and apparently, AS16898 has much more stringent penetration tests that the Snell standard, so whilst OS models may look the same, and have the same name etc, they may actually be different to meet the more stringent AS1698. This may mean that they are actually a bit heavier than OS models.
The real risk to using a non-compliant helmet would be post accident, insurance companies will probably find out after the investigation, and I know I would'nt want to be in that situation. Copping a fine is nothing in comparison, but overall, I wouldn't take the risk, as tempting as it is. Brad is also correct about the liner label.
regards
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So besides fit????? whats the million dollar difference between helmets of a $150 and helmets that cost zillions????
I mean they all have to meet the same Australian standard?????
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Some have really nice paint jobs just like racing heroes.
A $1000.00 helmet, may protect you better, but unfortunately you never find out ubtil its tested. As you can only wear one helmet at a time its protection values can never really be compared
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"So true"and by the way instead of throwing that helmet (Large. 57/60) into the bin when you drop it on the ground???? and you think its no good just send it to me postge forwarded and I'll find a good home for it.
You see irrelevant to what the ahhhhhh expert mates say the helmets still good. Well thats what the helmet testing dudes say. Cause they told me.
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Quite right Terry, if a helmet is damaged by a 1 metre drop then i dont want it on my head in the first place.
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Streak I also have an evoline 2 and love the features it provides.
One thing that I didn't see mentioned is that when in full face mode the chin bar locks back into the helmet providing the same strength as a true full face helmet. :thumbsup
This was very important to me as years ago I was in an accident where if not for the fact I was in a full face helmet I would have ground off my chin on the road. :eek
As you could imagine I was very wary of getting a flip helmet, but with this feature on the evoline’s I don’t have to worry.
As has been said the only issue with the series 2 is noise :|||| but this has reportedly been addressed in the series 3, so I reckon the evoline 3 would be an awesome helmet. :thumbs
And as for the colours, the mainly black would match your bike more :thumb :grin
Cheers
Shiney
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Why would you buy a helmet that hadn't met the Aus standards, AS1698, and risk a fine.
I'm pretty sure the standards label also needs to be affixed/printed on the helmet liner.
Brad
There is NO difference between them as except the price,
They are made in the same factory its just the ones with a label on are given a sticker after it comes thru the normal import channels,
I think its called 200 bucks
Tipsy
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on bit of advise! if you are useing sena smh10 get the ATTACHABLE BOOM MICROPHONE AND WIRED MICROPHONE as the standard
clamp is hard to fit due to the chin bar action and length of boom mic. have done this to my 2 helmets with great success. only around 50 bucks
boom mic standard setup
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attachable mic and speachers
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Hi guys,
I'm in need of a new helmet. Love my HJC IS-16 but it's a bit too big now. I'm headed to Perth today for the weekend and I'm wondering if anyone can suggest some good places for me to go shopping? We don't have a huge range here in Darwin, so I'd like to shop around a bit.
Cheers
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Hi guys,
I'm in need of a new helmet. Love my HJC IS-16 but it's a bit too big now. I'm headed to Perth today for the weekend and I'm wondering if anyone can suggest some good places for me to go shopping? We don't have a huge range here in Darwin, so I'd like to shop around a bit.
Cheers
We have been talking to The Honda Shop on Midland Way, Google Map Link: http://goo.gl/maps/KnUXe, (http://goo.gl/maps/KnUXe,) nothing has been set in cement, but they seem like nice people, I would identify yourself as one of our fabulous members :thumb
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Thanks Streak, I'll look them up.
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Hi Wendy, try Helmet House in East Victoria Park.
:grin :blk13 :grin
http://www.helmethouse.com.au/ (http://www.helmethouse.com.au/)
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If you go to Helmet House Wendy, dont forget to tell them that you came down from Darwin to get your helmet on the recommendation of the OzSTOC WA members (give them a card if you have one, send me a PM when you get here, if you dont, and I will get a card to you). It may not help with a discount, but it sure cant hurt.
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I strongly recommend Helmet House at East Vic Park for helmets and gear. The service from John and Wendy was excellent, they have a really good range. They offer 5% discount for clubs, but gave me over 10% off because I bought helmet and jacket.
I left a couple of OzSTOC cards with them.
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I strongly recommend Helmet House at East Vic Park for helmets and gear. The service from John and Wendy was excellent, they have a really good range. They offer 5% discount for clubs, but gave me over 10% off because I bought helmet and jacket.
I left a couple of OzSTOC cards with them.
:thumbsup
Great to hear Wendy :thumb
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Hi WendyL
What helmet did you end up with ? & glad you liked Helmet House, have to agree with you about the service and range :thumbs
:grin :blk13 :grin
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Wendy,
:hijacked A few of us have been trying to get a contact number to speak with you whilst you're down in Perth, so we can meet-up and have a coffee somewhere.
Do you have a number you can share with us?
Dave
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Sorry Dave, it's only been a flying visit with too much to do and too little time. I'm headed home at 8.30am Sunday after 63 hours in Perth. I'll definitely get in contact next trip.
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Ok Wendy,
Hope you got what you came for and had a pleasant time down here 'in the smoke'.
Safe journey home and hopefully catch up next time,
Dave
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After trying on a few flip ups I went for the Shoei Neotec for weight, comfort and quietness. :thumb
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I ended up getting a Nolan N104. Really happy with it :)
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I'm waiting for a Shark Evo3 from Helmet House in Vic Park.
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I'm waiting for a Shark Evo3 from Helmet House in Vic Park.
Brock did you compare it with the Shoei Neotec?
Pretty sure I tried the Shark Evo3 and the Shoei was a world apart, but my memory is not what it once was.
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The Shoeis were way outside ny price, the Shark is expensive but cheaper.
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Before you make a final decision on hard hat.
Go back to the shop and put the helmet on and leave it on.
Most people try them on for a quick fitting check then hand over the loot.
Put the lid on and spent ten or so minutes wandering around or sitting out of sight reading the paper.
Amazing how the feeling can change over a short period.
Also pull it down really tightly on your head. Sometimes the top of the helmet catches the wind and is forced down on the nutter. Then you know where the polycarbonate or whatever is under the padding sits. Had to put a bit of thin foam in the top of the multitec.
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Picked up the Evo3 in plain white today from Helmet House Vic Park. The service in there is excellent, and the young lady who served me was quite cute :grin :grin :grin
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From the Roads and Maritime Services(RMS) (formerly the RTA) in NSW. In the download at the bottom has helmet rating.
An RMS ad just come on my ebay page with this link.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/motorcyclesafety/index.html (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/motorcyclesafety/index.html)
Cheers
Dave
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interesting bit of information there ABE :thumbsup
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G'day Streak,
Helmet brand choice is largely governed by your head shape, I have found some brands just don't fit me and others are great. My past three have been flip ups, first a HJC then a Nolan and I now have a Shark Evoline. All were a good fit and worked well but the Shark I have now had for about 18 months is great. It was a little too firm to start with but after a month or so settled in to a good fit (as they all do). I love the inbuilt sun visor, no swapping visors all the time and I like being able to use it as an open face as well for some of those nice weather country touring days but easily closed up when the afternoon thunderstorm hits.
Cheers,
Toddy
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Whew! I'm glad I read to the end. I was about to throw my full-face helmet away until I remembered I'd had my tonsils and adenoids out when I was 12 before I got into bikes, so I didn't ever get the problem.
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"Biggles" ....your tonsils can grow back....
Wayne
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Ideally I would like a shark evoline series but to pricey, I settled for a TSS Tourtech in Pearl White, like the flip system and the flip sunnies. Previous helmet was Arai.
:wht11
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Well picked up my new Helmet today. After hours and hours of internet searching and a visit to each motorcycle shop on the Sunshine Coast I finally picked up a Shark Evoline 3. It's a silver, size M and I paid $475.
Purchased at North Coast Motor and Jet Ski Caloundra. Found a few others, a couple of Gloss Black at $500. And North Coast had a Haka size S and another silver size XL.
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Something to watch for on the Evoline. The small screws near the hinge area (near the 'k' on Sabies pic) came very loose on mine and I was very lucky not to lose one. I put a tiny dob of Loctite on them to ensure they won't come loose again.
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I had a look at the Shark Evoline 3 while I was wandering around a motorcycle shop in Hobart recently and tried one one, and I must say it fitted very well. I don't have any intention of doing away with my Shoei full face helmets, but the Shark was impressive, to say the least! :thumbsup
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"Biggles" ....your tonsils can grow back....
Wayne
Only if they are not removed properly in the first place.....
And even if you don't have them removed, usually by the age of forty they have shrunk away altogether....
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Last Saturday I went to the Motorcycle expo in Sydney.
I came across a helmet called LUFT this helmet is Australian engineered and is a 100 percent Australian owned company. Eric Falkenhagen and aerospace engineer and inventor produced this helmet.
It is a full face helmet and has a full airbag inside the helmet, which is inflated by a finger operated pump inside the chinguard, it is deflated by a button next to the pump.
This helmet fits all head shapes.
And for the medics amongst you it actually activates and bleeds air to the opposite side of impact to prevent contra coup injuries to the brain, should one be unfortunate enough to take a blow to the helmet. No other helmet does this.
For further information go to www.luftracinghelmets.com (http://www.luftracinghelmets.com)
By the way this helmet weighs 1600gms. I emailed the man to get this bit of info.
Helmet weight seems to belong to a secret society, few helmets have the weight printed on them.
My mate and I weighed two identical Nolan N102 helmets and came up pretty close to the manufactures claims.
My son who raced in a Australasian Desert Safari took a set of scales to various shops to come up with the lightest helmet possible.
Just hadn't seen the Luft mentioned here so thought it might be of interest. Retails around the $569.00 mark
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Not to poo, poo any claims made by LUFT however contra coup injuries occur inside your skull, not within the helmet.
A.
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I am fully aware of that and probably my composition was a bit slack. Luft do not mention that injury.
So apologies if that was how it sounded.
After reading the action of the air movement upon impact, a few mates ex paras and I thought it may well help to reduce that type of injury,.
So I fully retract that statement and apologise for any misunderstanding.
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One would hope anyone attempting to remove the LUFT helmet from a downed rider would know to deflate the airbag before removal.
http://www.luftracinghelmets.com/helmet-usage/ (http://www.luftracinghelmets.com/helmet-usage/)
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Provided they realised it was an airbag inflated helmet, I doubt that many Paramedics would be aware that a motorcycle helmet could be inflated within. None of our Ambulance staff have been trained in the removal of inflatable helmets. I wasn't aware of them before reading this post. Just another thing to look out for I guess!
One would hope anyone attempting to remove the LUFT helmet from a downed rider would know to deflate the airbag before removal.
[url]http://www.luftracinghelmets.com/helmet-usage/[/url] ([url]http://www.luftracinghelmets.com/helmet-usage/[/url])
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I also like the flip-faces. I've been using an HJC ZF8 for the last 4 or 5 years which has been pretty good but decided to get myself an Evoline 3 as I prefer the versatility as it can be used as an open face which is nice sometimes but have found it to be very noisy. It's a good fitting lid for my scone but with the extra lines and seams there is definitely more wind noise. Ear plugs could probably solve some of the problem but then I wouldn't be able to hear my bluetooth, so a bit of a pickle.
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I have the Evoline3 and I use a bluetooth system. I use foam earplugs and they do reduce the volume a little but with the speakers positioned perfectly they do work fine. I have no worries with the level in my helmet.
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same as Bikebear, I am using the Sena bluetooth and earplugs, have no problems with adjusting volume to hear clearly
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Have been thinking about getting a Shark Evoline 3, pretty good price from AMA at the moment too.. http://amawarehouse.com.au/shark-evoline-3-st-helmet-matt-p-25331.html (http://amawarehouse.com.au/shark-evoline-3-st-helmet-matt-p-25331.html)
But am not 100% sure on the flip over the head bit. Is it difficult to flip, the one I tried was a bit stiff. Your thoughts on these guys?
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Have been thinking about getting a Shark Evoline 3, pretty good price from AMA at the moment too.. [url]http://amawarehouse.com.au/shark-evoline-3-st-helmet-matt-p-25331.html[/url] ([url]http://amawarehouse.com.au/shark-evoline-3-st-helmet-matt-p-25331.html[/url])
But am not 100% sure on the flip over the head bit. Is it difficult to flip, the one I tried was a bit stiff. Your thoughts on these guys?
had mine for about 18 months - 2 years now, and i have never had a problem with them at all, i love the flip over works brilliantly
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The flip on the Shark series is very user friendly ++ much easier to assess when it on your head and not in your hands.......
Muscle memory is the secret......once you have done it for the first 20 times it will be smooth and second nature :thumbsup
:beer
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Tragic case here in Brisbane of a young kid who sustained such serious facial and other head injuries in a suburban crash that they had to turn off his life support yesterday. The extent of the injuries makes it sound like an open-faced helmet- especially since it was about a 60 kph hit.
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Its a little difficult at first, but not too bad when you get used to it. Being able to get the chin bar out of the way is a plus if you need to get through ID controlled gates
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My series 2 evoline was replaced under warranty when about 12 months old and having seen around 25,000 kms of riding. The rubber under the top of the visor split and the rubber around the left side came unstuck. In torrential rain I also had water entry via the slide for the sun visor. There was no question whatever about the warranty, they just replaced it with a series 3. I love these helmets and have had no issues with the current one which has seen more time and kilometres than the first. Last time I checked they are the only flip up that it is legal to wear either open or closed. They also ranked 5 star for safety. Compared with my wifes Shoei at nearly twice the price that only got 4 stars. Happy to recommend the helmet and the service the distributor provides.
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another happy customer here :thumb
one for sale here http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5992.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5992.0)
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I lost control of my bike in the rain at night doing approx 90 km/h between Coffs Harbour and Grafton a few weeks ago.
I was thrown off the bike landed on my left hand side and bashed my head twice on the bitumen before sliding down the road.
I didn't even get a headache; my head was so well protected and snug inside a Shoei multitech which I had bought on special for $400 at Joe's Motorcycles in Fyshwick.
The helmet looks fine. But it has to be replaced and the insurance company covers the cost.
How much is your face/head worth?
Many things raced through my mind before I came to a stop down the road, wearing the bike, spearing into the tree line and being collected by a following car. The driver of the following car stopped to assist and said he missed me by a cat's whisker.
What I didn't think about was the capabilities of my helmet. I had already stopped sliding before head protection entered my mind.
No prizes for guessing the brand and style of the replacement helmet.
The bike was written off and the replacement is a 2010 Yamaha FJR1300AP.
So I've joined the ranks of the interlopers.
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The bike was written off and the replacement is a 2010 Yamaha FJR1300AP.
So I've joined the ranks of the interlopers.
Best of luck Lionel with the FJR1300 they are a great bike but not as much fun as a ST1300 :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
:beer
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Thanks Leo.
A couple of first impressions.
The stock standard seat needs to be modified by an axe. The ST1300 was ahead here though I still had mine modified to a terrific standard.
The low beam on the FJR is brilliant, much better than the ST1300 and light (pun intended) years ahead of my ST1100. I believe the police models have stock standard lights though I haven't confirmed this yet.
Both bikes 2008 ST and 2010 FJR lack a kms to empty display.
Yamaha Gen 3 from 2013, Honda ST ???
Fuel consumption, probably the same but too early to confirm. 91 Octane fuel.
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Both bikes 2008 ST and 2010 FJR lack a kms to empty display.
Yamaha Gen 3 from 2013, Honda ST ???
Fuel consumption, probably the same but too early to confirm. 91 Octane fuel.
My ST13 goes from 2 bars to one flashing with a count-down based on current consumption. So at highway speeds it starts around 95 km to run. The problems in, around town it soon loses count and becomes unreliable. For that reason, I reset my trip meter and fill before it gets up to 80, preferably 70.
Gen 3?? I deduce that means it's in its third stage of development since the first model. STs have made some minor changes; hard to improve a perfect bike, but it's all over now! :'(
91 octane- works for me too.
On "The Checkout" (ABC TV) recently they found that you will get more range out of 98 octane, but the cents/km is higher, so there's no economic reason, and there never was a "power" reason.
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I have had an R Jays Tourtech for about 4 years now and today decided it was time for a new one. I tried on a new Tourtech which made me realise just how worn mine was. Was going to get the R Jays Carbotech for $350.00 Lighter the the Tourtech by a long way. Then I tried a full face Kabuto Aeroblade 3 on, As much as I like the flip ups like the Tourtech, Evoline etc. This Aeroblade 3 is the best helmet I have worn. Extremely light, reasonably quiet, fantastic vision, superb ventilation. Picked it up for $350.00. I give it a double thumbs up. Not even thinking twice about not being a flip up (modular). Behind the ST1300 screen or over it, I cannot sing enough praises. :runyay
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Then I tried a full face Kabuto Aeroblade 3 on, As much as I like the flip ups like the Tourtech, Evoline etc. This Aeroblade 3 is the best helmet I have worn. Extremely light, reasonably quiet, fantastic vision, superb ventilation. Picked it up for $350.00. I give it a double thumbs up. Not even thinking twice about not being a flip up (modular). Behind the ST1300 screen or over it, I cannot sing enough praises. :runyay
Great price. They're $373 + $55 postage from eBay USA.
Wheredja geddit?
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Check 'em out at 457 Tufnell Road Banyo Biggles. Let me know what you think. You have more time than me. :whistle
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Then I tried a full face Kabuto Aeroblade 3 on, As much as I like the flip ups like the Tourtech, Evoline etc. This Aeroblade 3 is the best helmet I have worn. Extremely light, reasonably quiet, fantastic vision, superb ventilation. Picked it up for $350.00. I give it a double thumbs up. Not even thinking twice about not being a flip up (modular). Behind the ST1300 screen or over it, I cannot sing enough praises. :runyay
Great price. They're $373 + $55 postage from eBay USA.
Wheredja geddit?
Motorcycle Accessories Shop Nerang in Queensland. It is a matte black and was floor stock. I think graphics are a bit more expensive. $375 was the sticker price. The guys at Motorcycles Accessories Shop are very genuine and I buy all of my accessories there to support the "little guys". They have never done the wrong thing by me and give good genuine advice.
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I have a Nolan N102 flip front.
have discovered that I collect a lot of bugs under the external sunnys tho, as I mainly ride 'open face', except in wet conditions.
Higher than standard screen means that most bugs and rain are deflected above my face when travelling.
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[argument]I think this answers everything[/argument]
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[argument]I think this answers everything[/argument]
I might get that on the screen this time of the year but rarely does anything smaller than a bee get to the helmet
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[argument]I think this answers everything[/argument]
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That's why they have a flip down option ;)
Out on the highway or anywhere with bugs, down it comes. Around town, up it goes.
For the record, I have the RJ's Tourtech carbon fibre one with the matt finish. So far so good.
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I've been missing my old flip face helmet and the final straw the other day was when I decided to fit my intercom to my Shark RSR2, as I usually use, my Earmolds with this helmet, but needed to use my intercom. Well it fitted ok, but I got sore ears after half an hour, so went on the hunt for a new flip-face. Short list was a Shoei Neotec, Shark Evoline, one of the HJC's, Nolan N102/104, and a few others that MCAS had in stock and my size.
The short of it was that the HJC Symax III felt absolutely great on my head, with ear room, comfortable in all the right places, and just felt right. Neotec didn't seem to fit my head shape and wasn't comfortable at all, Evoline felt like an icecream container, and the Nolans just didn't feel right at all.
I guess that what this proved to me is that helmet choice really does come down to how it feels on your head and how easy it is to get along with. I'm sure that if I did get another brand and type of helmet, it might "grow" around me, but apart from the chin curtain being a bit to close to my chin when flipping it up, the HJC was the only one that felt right from the word go.
I haven't ridden with it yet, so I guess that the proof will be in the eating, but I'll do a quick review after having done a few k's. Having said that, I can't see it being too noisy or awkward to use, but what I will be interested in is it's ability to vent, as this seems to be the only caveat in the reviews that I have read.
I bought it as floor stock from the Helmet Warehouse at Yagoona, and they were very helpful. Only $420 as well, so about the same price as the mid-range flip faces, and 1/2 price of a Neotec, and hopefully not half the quality - maybe 7/8's?
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Methinks it's time to open this thread up again, partly for selfish reasons as it's time to upgrade my helmet, with it coming up to its 5th birthday. Might be a few others looking as well, seeing as how this thread went quiet about 5 years ago and not too much mention of helmets in other threads (yes, I'm sure that there probably are, I just didn't go down a lot of rabbit holes)
I was wondering if anyone had bought one of the current crop of flip face / modular helmets in the recent past and what they though of them.
Found the following reviews, a number of those tested can be found here in Oz. The Nolan N100-5 seems to get a good review for price, noise etc.
https://billyscrashhelmets.co.uk/top-10-flip-up-crash-helmets/
https://motorbikewriter.com/best-modular-helmets/
Over to you all..
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I just bought another Shark Evoline 3. I can wear it open or closed and they are cheap as I think the model is being discontinued. At slow speeds I love to wear it open and use it like that more than I probably should. I also like that when open it is right back, not on top acting as a sail. The old one is just over seven so I thought it was time especially as it was a bit worn on some of the soft material.
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The Shark evo3 is the only flip front certified for use open or closed, as the chin bar is flipped right out of the way and leaves the visors to be used as normal. It doesnt cause nay neck twisting drag when open
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I'm not a fan of flip fronts as I feel unprotected, but accept that many like them. One of my friends rides with the Shoei GT Air with the integrated Sena com set and he's pretty happy with the setup.
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The Shark evo3 is the only flip front certified for use open or closed, as the chin bar is flipped right out of the way and leaves the visors to be used as normal. It doesnt cause nay neck twisting drag when open
It's not the only helmet, Brock...The Shoei Neotec 2 is also ECE. 22.05 certified as both an open-face and full-face helmet...
That was actually one of the reasons I purchased it, not that I ride around too often with it flipped up but it's nice to have the option should I have the urge. :thumbs
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The Airoh Rev19 is also ECE.222.05 certified and flips right back like the Shark Evo.
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My main preference for a flip face helmet is that I need to wear glasses to be on the road. Having broken the arms on pairs of glasses previously while trying to thread the glasses through the interior. The flip face means I can put the helmet on and don't have to try and squeeze the glasses through the gap of a full face. Also easier when stopping at servos.
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I really like my Shoei Neotec 2...It's my third modular helmet and I can't see me ever going back to a normal full face helmet.
They are so much easier to put on and off which is a must when you wear glasses. It's also nice not having your ears nearly ripped off everytime you remove the helmet.
Another advantage of a modular helmet is you can quite often get away without removing your helmet when refuelling the bike as you can just flip it up when you go in to pay for the fuel instead of removing it.
The 1st modular I had was a cheap Rjays Tour Tech, which actually made me a fan of modular helmets. For a cheapie I actually found it quite good, the only thing missing was an internal sun visor.
I then upgraded to a Bell SRT Modular...This was a mid range helmet which had fairly good reviews so I bought one.
Unfortunately I wasn't a fan...I found it a bit noisy and the internal sun visor tint just didn't seem quite right.
After about 5 months I retired that and bought my current Shoei...
While the Shoei is an expensive helmet I believe it was money well spent as it's a well built quality helmet with an internal sun visor that is just right for my old eyes.
It's also the quietest helmet I've owned and is very comfortable.
Having the option of being able to fit an intercom without it looking like an add-on was also a bonus...
The outer shell size is also a little smaller than some helmets which makes fitting it in the ST's topbox an easy job.
The shell size is really noticeable when sitting alongside Sue's HJC modular...and unlike my Shoei, the HJC doesn't fit in the topbox... :fp
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Like Rusty I originally had the Rjay's and now use an airoh rev19 cos being a four eyed old codger it definitely makes life easier compared to normal fullface.
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Just continuing on from my previous post...
I forgot to mention, before I bought the Bell modular I was seriously looking at the Shark Evoline (I can't remember which one now but I do remember it was a superceded model so had been "supposedly" reduced in price.)
I really liked the fit and feel but what eventually convinced me to not buy (besides the price at the time) was it was already showing signs of wear on the shell from the flip back mechanism.
I also had concerns as to how long the mechanism would last.
In the end I felt it was a safer option to go with a more conventional modular as I figured I'd rarely ride with the front flipped up so the extra complications of the Shark weren't worth it...
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Rusty. I like my Shark and it was $299. My last one in 2014 if I remember correctly was $499 with some discount as I bought a complete outfit of gear when I bought Ruby. Couldn’t resist this one.
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Cheers Garry! :beer
Don't get me wrong, I really liked the Shark. I think the shop where I was looking at it were wanting something like $450 which was a fair markdown from the original sticker price but when I did some research I think you could buy a later model Shark for a similar price.
In hindsight I would probably have been better off buying a Shark instead of the Bell...
While the Bell was a very nice helmet, it just didn't suit me particularly well.
Oh well, the Bell is now stored away in the Shoei Box and will probably end up being used as a backup at some point.
I probably should have sold it as it's basically in as new condition but figured not many people would want a secondhand helmet... :/
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Shoei Neotec 2 Great helmet :like
I had a Shark Evoline 2. Too noisy :fp
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Best Modular Helmets 2021 Road Test
1. Schuberth C4 Pro
2. Shoei Neotec 2
3. HJC RPHA 90S Carbon
4. AGV Sportmodular
5. X-Lite X-1005 Ultra Carbon
Modular helmets are designed to give a balance of the safety of a full-face helmet with the convenience of an open face helmet. This makes them excellent for touring and city riding since you get the great option of being able to simply flip that chin bar up instead of wrestling the helmet off. But the question still remains of which modular helmet is the best, and this means taking these helmets out on our road test where we measure the noise level, ventilation, and more to determine which really brings the best performance.
https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Best-Modular-Helmets-2021-Road-Test (https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Best-Modular-Helmets-2021-Road-Test)
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The Nolan N100-5 seems to get a good review for price, noise etc.
You might find this review of interest, Shillas, the Nolan N100-5 Plus is an update of Nolan’s N100 5...
Nolan N100 5 Plus Review
https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Nolan-N100-5-Plus-Modular-Helmet-Review-and-Road-Test (https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Nolan-N100-5-Plus-Modular-Helmet-Review-and-Road-Test)
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Me, I`m more into the safety side of things.
I only where full face helmets of known and acknowledged brands.
Shark at the moment, had a couple of HJC`s which where also good. One must of been good as some one stole it.
Even on my trail bike, ff only.
Convenience at servo`s understand, but always take helmet off, keeps everybody on side, and give`s my head time to expand.
It`s one of those more personal items, that are taken as a choice, sometimes more than a need. 2c worth. 5c with inflation!
Take care all. :eek
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The Nolan N100-5 seems to get a good review for price, noise etc.
You might find this review of interest, Shillas, the Nolan N100-5 Plus is an update of Nolan’s N100 5...
Nolan N100 5 Plus Review
https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Nolan-N100-5-Plus-Modular-Helmet-Review-and-Road-Test (https://www.championhelmets.com/us/magazine/post/Nolan-N100-5-Plus-Modular-Helmet-Review-and-Road-Test)
One of the ones that is actually near the top of my list.
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I thought it may have been... :thumbs
Have you had a chance to try one for size & fit?
I took pot luck with the sizing when I bought the Bell online...luckily it fitted okay.
With the Shoei I didn't risk it, I tried it on for size & comfort at a physical store then ended up buying it online... :-[
I may have bought it from the shop as I really liked the colour of the helmet I tried but when I looked online I found I could get the Shoei in the same colour as my ST1300 so that sealed the deal... :rockon
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Haven't tried any out yet and not willing to buy without trying as each helmet seems to be slightly different in size and comfort.
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How quiet a helmet is depends upon many factors including.....
Head fit, and we all have different shape heads
Integrity and fit of the seals
Air vent design
Neck ware and scarves etc
Bike screen design
Wind direction and strength
and probably other factors.
Therefore another person's recommendation for whats a quiet helmet is not always useful
It somewhat annoys me that I can try on a helmet in the shop for Head Fit, but not ride with it to assess the other factors. I've found that a budget Shoei full face works well for me, so whenever I buy a new helmet, I go straight to them.
My two bobs worth...... :thumbsup
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It's a weird science I reckon. My helmet is a BMW built by Schuberth who apparently have a name of quality, quiet helmets. It is a modular helmet. I spent a bit more for the quiet reputation. Hmmm My previous helmets were Nolan modular then Shark full face, looking for quietness. Nup.
When it was time to get a new helmet I went for the BMW because at the time I couldn't find Schuberth in SA.
All three helmets are as noisy as each other. And it's wind noise.
But here is the kicker - On the V-Strom I feel I could ride without plugs - it is so much quieter.
So, in my case, it seems to be the way the air comes off the ST and interacts with the helmet. I should also mention there wasn't much difference between the OEM screen and the Bikequip screen. If I raise the screen it does become quieter.
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My 1st flip face was a Nolan with a sun visor on the outside of the helmet. After about 2 years the the sun visor would just flop down unexpectedly.
My next was the Shoei Neotec and was much quieter. The retractable sun visor inside the helmet was a vast improvement. I also loved that it had hollows for Bluetooth speaker kits.
I now have the Shoei Neotec 2 and love it for the same reasons above, and it is even quieter than the 1st one.
I also wear glasses, and can easily put the helmet on while wearing glasses, this speeds up getting ready, when your mates are getting ready to go.
There is a recess in the foam for the frames, which means it's comfortable to wear for hours.
I always remove the glasses before taking the helmet off though.
It was pricey, but as I love riding uninterrupted for hours, and I like the quieter helmet, I think it was worth it.
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Helmets are a funny thing. I took advice decades ago to never buy on a recommendation of a friend. There are so many variables that make the purchase very personal. Most critically being head shape. Even trying the helmets on in your favourite store doesn't guarantee a 'perfect' helmet long-term. I can say without hesitation, the best helmet, in terms of comfort and quietness, was probably the cheapest helmet I have every purchased. It was a KBC. It was the most comfortable helmet I have ever owned, and quieter than any helmet I've owned. However, I never had the misfortune, or good fortune, of putting it to the 'real world' safety test. My latest purchase was a Airoh but not 100% happy. I have never considered a 'flip face' because most feedback I've had is that they are heavier and noisier than a regular full face. I always ride with my visor up, except in rain. Just my 2 bob's worth.
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Stop it, you're all making me want to upgrade to one 😜
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Marcus Is yours getting to that age?
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Marcus Is yours getting to that age?
No although it is getting a bit on the nose.
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Marcus Is yours getting to that age?
No although it is getting a bit on the nose.
Both age and nose for me.
Getting to the stage where half the time I can't tell the difference between the dead roos and the helmet interior. :rofl
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I have never considered a 'flip face' because most feedback I've had is that they are heavier and noisier than a regular full face. I always ride with my visor up, except in rain. Just my 2 bob's worth.
I reckon they are definitely worth considering, Skip! Yes, they are slightly heavier but we're talking probably a couple of hundred grams difference and while they are a little noisier, I honestly don't think there's a lot in it these days.
It will probably depend more on your bike and the screen as to how noisy things get...
I have the 21" Bikequip screen on my ST and I have the screen set in such a position that I look over it yet most of the airflow is going over my head.
This enables me to ride with the helmet visor open pretty much all the time...
The helmet is quiet enough "even with the visor open" that I have no problems conversing with and hearing Sue via our intercom at highway speeds.
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Marcus Is yours getting to that age?
No although it is getting a bit on the nose.
Both age and nose for me.
Getting to the stage where half the time I can't tell the difference between the dead roos and the helmet interior. :rofl
Sniff sniff....bloody hell, what's that stench??? :rofl |-i
The better quality helmets usually have removable & washable cheek pads & lining these days...Sounds like it's definitely time to upgrade! :grin
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I have never considered a 'flip face' because most feedback I've had is that they are heavier and noisier than a regular full face. I always ride with my visor up, except in rain. Just my 2 bob's worth.
I reckon they are definitely worth considering, Skip! Yes, they are slightly heavier but we're talking probably a couple of hundred grams difference and while they are a little noisier, I honestly don't think there's a lot in it these days.
It will probably depend more on your bike and the screen as to how noisy things get...
I have the 21" Bikequip screen on my ST and I have the screen set in such a position that I look over it yet most of the airflow is going over my head.
This enables me to ride with the helmet visor open pretty much all the time...
The helmet is quiet enough "even with the visor open" that I have no problems conversing with and hearing Sue via our intercom at highway speeds.
Appreciate the reply Rusty. Given I also have a Bikequip screen, 2" wider and 2" higher than the OEM screen, I also set the screen so that it deflects the airstream over my helmet at whatever speed I am doing, I like the confidence my full-face gives me with the visor up should I be unfortunate enough to hit the tarmac. I have a sister-in-law who wore an openface while learning to ride on a 50cc scooter and suffered facial injuries when she came off at a speed below 60kpm. For me, the visor up on a full face is preferable to riding with a flip face fully open. Having said that, I would love to give one a try. :whistle
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I rarely ride with the chin bar flipped up, when I do it's usually just to the local servo which is a couple of hundred metres away... :thumbs
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I rarely ride with the chin piece flipped up, when I do it's usually just to the local servo which is a couple of hundred metres away... :thumbs
I rarely ride with it up too. Backing out of the Garage, and just starting off.
On a hot day, I will flip it up sitting at traffic lights (after everyone around me has stopped), but as soon as the light goes green, it's down again.
I do often ride with the visor up, but also aware that on impact with the ground, the fully open visor is a catch point the can twist your neck, or the visor can splinter and flick in to cut your face. So when the visor is open, it is usually only an inch or 2 for ventilation.
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Full-face versus modular motorcycle helmets
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/modular-versus-full-face-motorcycle-helmets (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/modular-versus-full-face-motorcycle-helmets)
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The best modular helmet I've used is the Shoei Neotec 2.
It has a lot of cool extras like a drop-down sun visor, and Pinlock (in size large, it weighs 1,812 grams)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2436/4009/products/shoei-neotec2-flipup-helmet-visor_grande.jpg?v=1552293402) (https://billyscrashhelmets.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/shoei-neotec-II-helmet-featured.jpg)
For a full face I would recommend the Klim Krios pro.
It has Transitions Photochromic Lens, Magnetic Lock Strap Closure and is crazy light (in size large, it weighs just 1,300 grams) it is also very quite compared to the Neotec (a mate of mine has both)
(https://2yrh403fk8vd1hz9ro2n46dd-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/klim-krios-karbon-helmet-review-1-768x512.jpg) (https://www.denniskirk.com/dk/product_images/oe/290pix/oep3310813_f52468bd54e7d32427dbfae3a2d6c4701e2850f5.jpg)
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>Magnetic Lock Strap Closure and is crazy light<
I'd never come across these strap closures until I watched this video: https://youtu.be/3KUdmwmhyxM
Seems you can't beat the ol' double D's (retaining rings, not boob size) :whistle :rofl
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Seems you can't beat the ol' double D's (retaining rings, not boob size) :whistle :rofl
I prefer the double ds because I can lock it to the bike's helmet lock. I have an L2R helmet that has a clip in type of clip and I can't use it on said lock. I rarely where that helmet.
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Came across this comparison of the Shoei Neotec II and the Schuberth C4... :thumbs
https://youtu.be/8QgPIn-c32A
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Well today was the day - had the opportunity to go and try a few helmets.
Looked at some LS2 modulars, plus a few others, but none the right size and my current LS2 presses against my forehead and is uncomfortable after a while.
Moved on to Motoadelaide, they had the Nolan N1005, which was a good price with good reviews. However, it pressed on the same part of my forehead as the LS2.
Even though it was outside the budget I'd set myself, I tried the Shoei Neotec II.
End result - perfect fit, which will do for longer rides, no pressure points, good fit all round. I think the extra $ will reward me with overall comfort & quality.
My Aldi Bluetooth has even fitted on - with a minimum amount of work.
Now to road test it.
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Welcome to the Neotec family, Shillas! :beer
I'm sure you'll be very happy with your choice... :runyay
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Welcome to the Neotec family, Shillas! :beer
I'm sure you'll be very happy with your choice... :runyay
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