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HID driving lights.
« on: July 25, 2016, 08:18:40 PM »
Planning on fitting some extra lighting. Bought these HIDs recently, ones on the left in plane packaging are from eBay Aus for 65$ for the pair, one on the right is from Mclarry US. With dollar conversion and postage set me back around 200$ Aus. I was under the misconception that advertised price was for a pair but realised otherwise when only one light arrived in package  :fp . As far as I can see there's no physical difference between the two except Mclarry one is euro beam and the others are spot beam. Anyway, will be fitting these to the ST and would like some advice regards the following.
Wiring: I plan to to take direct line from battery and switching from high beam via relay so as not to overload existing circuit, would that be OK?

Beam:  Two spots or spot and euro, if spot and euro, left or right ?

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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 08:38:23 PM »
direct feed from battery through relay to light, you will need a separate on off switch
 wired through the high beam circuit. just as you say. the hight beam will only feed the relay coil itself so there is no appreciable added current drain.
check light box for how many amps the lights need on start up. and wire from battery heavy enough for 2 lights. I would go the spot and euro, get better spread, Would it really matter which was left or right? May i suggest you take your time with this, all that work in getting plastic off, only do it once. What temp are the bulbs please?
 
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 08:47:59 PM »
Thanks pault.
Specs on box:    6,000 color temperature

                         3,200 lumens

                         3.15- 3.30 amp draw.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 08:57:22 PM »
Here is the wiring diagram.

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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 09:00:38 PM »
You will have read elsewhere that there is a noticeable delay in the HIDs lighting up at first.  Not so bad after they have been on for a while, then off for only a short time.
The beauty of the HIDs is they throw those 3200 lumens down the road.  The 3486 Lm LEDs I have throw a lot down the road, and a lot out in a general "glow".
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 09:17:57 PM »
Thanks Brock and Biggles.
Wiring diagram was exactly what I was looking for. As far delay in start up, shouldn't matter too much as I don't see myself doing much night riding, may attempt a far ride or two down the track though :thumb
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 09:25:59 PM »
If you go the HID headlight route in the future, be aware that the power supplies can fry when the bike is started, due to the drop of the lights on crank. There is a fix we came up with, where the HID headlights dont come on until the side stand is up.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:35 PM »
I have the twin 55w Euro beams on mine and they're more than ample for legal plus highway speeds for distance and the beam is fairly wide each side of the bike.

Wiring harness was supplied with mine so it was all but plug and play. I swapped out the on/off switch for the one I had on the bike from a previous set. The only upset was the light wiring didn't match the harness (+ wire went to - wire) so I just swapped them around and they worked.

I ordered two Euro beams but got 1 Euro and 1 spot and after letting them know they sent out the other Euro so I have a 55w spot beam for free which I haven't used yet.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 09:28:47 PM »
If you go the HID headlight route in the future, be aware that the power supplies can fry when the bike is started, due to the drop of the lights on crank. There is a fix we came up with, where the HID headlights dont come on until the side stand is up.
I wasn't aware of that but then I'm not running high beam when I stop/start the bike.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 09:30:33 PM »
The driving lights are ok, its the HID headlights that fry.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 09:44:50 PM »
If you go the HID headlight route in the future, be aware that the power supplies can fry when the bike is started, due to the drop of the lights on crank. There is a fix we came up with, where the HID headlights dont come on until the side stand is up.


Should be ok if HIDs are off when bike is started?
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 09:47:58 PM »
The driving lights are ok, its the HID headlights that fry.
but we aren't legally allowed to fit HID headlights to STs and thanks for the clarification
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 10:04:39 PM »
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aren't legally allowed to fit HID headlights

That is another tale.. o:) o:) o:) o:)

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Should be ok if HIDs are off when bike is started?

Thats what the side stand mod does, it disables the battery connection to the HID power supply, meaning there is no power surge during cranking. once the engine is running, and the side stand is up then the headlight comes on.

You could use a simple switch, but you could forget to turn the light off or back on. We usually dont forget to put the side stand up or down.

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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 10:12:12 PM »
I'm confused now o:) should or shouldn't I fit the HIDs? Don't want defect notice from :cop.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 10:31:27 PM »
HID driving lights are fine, its headlights that are norty, unless the bike had HID headlights as original fit (STs didnt have them).
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 10:54:45 PM »
Thanks for clarifying that Brock. You guys are a mine of information  :-++ me happy now :grin just need to fabricate some mounting brackets.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2016, 05:48:36 PM »
Police brackets work well, you would need the new longer bolts as well.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2016, 06:27:13 PM »
Where would I find police brackets and for how much. I was planning the el cheapo way with some sturdy L brackets under the mirrors which would be less obtrusive
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2016, 06:38:45 PM »
The police brackets can be sourced from Honda, not sure of the cost, its been a long time since i bought them
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 06:42:31 PM »

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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2016, 10:21:51 PM »
Just completed one bracket, seems ok, no vibration at idle or when revved at standstill. next bracket should be easy now that I have the dimensions right. Will report back once both wired up and road tested.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2016, 08:54:42 AM »
The lights look the goods- should be able to get a part in the next Star Wars trilogy as the Battlestar Galactica.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2016, 05:50:23 PM »
The lights look the goods- should be able to get a part in the next Star Wars trilogy as the Battlestar Galactica.
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OEM headlights looking like oil lamps in contrast  :-[ Is there a way to upgrade OEM headlights without going down the HID or LED path?

Cheers.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2016, 05:55:18 PM »
Off to make next bracket. Total cost for two brackets and longer screws $ 19.50.
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Re: HID driving lights.
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2016, 06:44:19 PM »
The lights look the goods- should be able to get a part in the next Star Wars trilogy as the Battlestar Galactica.


OEM headlights looking like oil lamps in contrast  :-[ Is there a way to upgrade OEM headlights without going down the HID or LED path?

Cheers.


Replacing the standard bulbs with Xenon bulbs is the way to go if you want an upgrade but don't want HID or LED.
Just get the H4 ones with a colour temp between 5000k to 6000k for a white light.

There are lots of these bulbs on eBay for very little money. (If you do get cheep ones get a few extras as spares. Saves having to wait for delivery when you need replacements down the line.)

And if you need it, the ST1300 Headlight Bulb Replacement guide is here:
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3537.0

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