Author Topic: Another great professional rider on a ST1300... (Read 5175 times)

Diesel · « **on:** October 20, 2012, 10:53:52 PM »

Hope you don't get sick of these - I don't.....


2011 Manteca Police Motorcycle Competition-Eddie Chan

Cheers, Diesel

Sabie · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2012, 10:59:45 PM »

How do they do that?????

Poppy Dave · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2012, 12:49:54 AM »

Notice that he is leaning, with his upper body, to the opposite side of the bike. This acts as a 'counterbalance' to the bike, making it less likely to fall as he can lean the bike right over but adjust his balance with body movements. Ideal for 'slower' maneuverability. It works, we do it all the time (lean opposite that is, not ride through the cones like he does). Takes a bit of practice though.

Complete opposite to what the racers do when they slide off the saddle into the corners.

Dave

Streak · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2012, 07:52:51 AM »

That is really good to watch, that is just pure handling, I like the colour scheme of the white and black to, gives me food for thought

terrydj · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:08:52 AM »

Quote from: roper5874 "ONENUT" on October 21, 2012, 12:49:54 AM

Notice that he is leaning, with his upper body, to the opposite side of the bike. This acts as a 'counterbalance' to the bike, making it less likely to fall as he can lean the bike right over but adjust his balance with body movements. Ideal for 'slower' maneuverability. It works, we do it all the time (lean opposite that is, not ride through the cones like he does). Takes a bit of practice though.
Complete opposite to what the racers do when they slide off the saddle into the corners.
Dave

Must of been a different Vid on your screen.
On mine I seen a cop leaning, then sitting up and then leaning when dropping into a turn.
Sad you can't hear the bike revving its guts out, the dragging of the clutch, the dragging of the rear brake, but you can see that the rear brake is on all the time in corners while under acceleration.

If you want to try it out?????
In a straight line, take off dragging the clutch, heaps of revs and back brake dragging and you will keep upright going the same pace as snail

Brock · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:18:09 AM »

Poppy Dave · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:25:27 AM »

Quote from: terrydj on October 21, 2012, 09:08:52 AM

Quote from: roper5874 "ONENUT" on October 21, 2012, 12:49:54 AM
Notice that he is leaning, with his upper body, to the opposite side of the bike. This acts as a 'counterbalance' to the bike, making it less likely to fall as he can lean the bike right over but adjust his balance with body movements. Ideal for 'slower' maneuverability. It works, we do it all the time (lean opposite that is, not ride through the cones like he does). Takes a bit of practice though.
Complete opposite to what the racers do when they slide off the saddle into the corners.
Dave

Must of been a different Vid on your screen.
On mine I seen a cop leaning, then sitting up and then leaning when dropping into a turn.

I've just watched it again and again and again, we must indeed be watching different videos. Either that or one of us needs to get our eyes tested.

Dave

terrydj · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2012, 01:48:09 PM »

Watched it again and the only time I see em leaning the opposite way is when they throw the bike back up. When they are going around the corner they are leaning. In fact theirs a great picture of a Coppa leaning on the picture you klick on to make the Vid start. They would have to change their seating position me thinks if they leaned the opposite way because they would not be strong enough to hold the bike up which would actually be falling????
And I have really good eye sight because I need it to see through the glasses I wear

Skip · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2012, 02:03:04 PM »

I do wear glasses, but it is quite obvious he is moving in the saddle to the 'high' side as he goes into a turn.
Maybe we should organise an ST 'carpark' ride-off. Then again, maybe not.

Brock · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2012, 02:06:29 PM »

I agree with you Dave,.

I some times use the same technique on small slow roundabouts, along with dragging the rear brake. If you dont, you wont go round em... The copper (Sgt Chan) isnt so much leaning the other way, but remains sitting vertical instead of leaning with the bike.

terrydj · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2012, 08:07:26 PM »

Ok, I'm wrong as usual but it seems to me a bit funny when posts have been made and Vids supplied of riders on Motards going real quick on short courses to the fact of drifting that for some reason their leaning with the bike??????
Maybe the Coppa should give em instruction on how to ride

All I know is if you go around a corner and the bikes leaning to the left and you lean to the right, then you will go down. You just can't hold them up????
Ahhhhh that is if your Under acceleration (Bike is most stable under acceleration) but from what I have seen most riders????? have their clutch in for the first part of a corner then through the corner and only have power on when they are leaving it

And if the coppa in the video is sitting vertical when cornering he is leaning the opposite way to which the bike is leaning

Biggles · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2012, 08:09:01 PM »

Quote from: terrydj on October 21, 2012, 08:07:26 PM

from what I have seen most riders????? have their clutch in for the first part of a corner then through the corner and only have power on when they are leaving it

Not this little black duck! Or many others I know.

Brock · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2012, 08:34:15 PM »

Never done that, and dont know any one who does. Down right dangerous that is.

terrydj · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:20:04 PM »

I see it here above the Gold Coast all the time. You follow an expert all dressed up in leather and just before the corner the brakes come on, and you nearly end up in the weeds trying to avoid the fool, then the leather wearing expert coasts around the corner and just before straightening up takes off flat out in a straight line before the next corner.

That's why an old bloke with a pillion on a ST1100 can go faster than most of the Ricky road racers on the best a checkbook can buy, when theirs a few corners involved in the hills

Sabie · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:33:17 PM »

Roundabouts - riding instructors will tell you to take the inside line where possible, keep a little power on while using rear brake on slightly (dragging as you guys describe it) this stabilises the bike and stands it up slightly. When through the roundabout release brake power out of the roundabout and away you go.

No clutch used, make sure you have appropriate gear selected prior to entering the roundabout.

:)

What do our professional Police Motorcycle Officers think, opinion?

Poppy Dave · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2012, 12:13:55 AM »

Quote from: Sabie on October 21, 2012, 10:33:17 PM

Roundabouts - riding instructors will tell you to take the inside line where possible, keep a little power on while using rear brake on slightly (dragging as you guys describe it) this stabilises the bike and stands it up slightly. When through the roundabout release brake power out of the roundabout and away you go.

No clutch used, make sure you have appropriate gear selected prior to entering the roundabout.

:)

What do our professional Police Motorcycle Officers think, opinion?

Spot on...................... us this method in ALL slower maneuvers, U-turns, R/bouts etc

Dave

terrydj · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2012, 08:13:30 AM »

"Basically" but when I go less than walking pace I drag the clutch as well. And most times on a roundabout, I go from the inside lane across to the outside lane when exiting
Funny why??? riding instructors (Professionals) don't dictate leaning the opposite side to the side the bike is leaning as has been suggested here numerous times????

Brock · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2012, 08:35:45 AM »

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why??? riding instructors (Professionals) don't dictate leaning the opposite side

Cos its not ahard and fast rule Terry, its a technique that you can pick up through experience or further training as an aid to tight cornering. Its a matter of what works for you, if you dont like it dont do it.

terrydj · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2012, 12:32:32 PM »

After trying it out this morning and really holding onto the bike to stop it falling over, that leaning the other way on a roundabout to me just sucks, and trust me I was trying to go slow. Well just fast enogh so the bike had to lean???
In my 38 years licensed on the road on a bike, I have never found a roundabout that needed me to lean the other way?????? I mean I can go at least half walking pace sitting straight and still go round a corner, pretty fast, kinda????? and can still do Uturns leaning the same way the bike does on single lane roads or dual carriage ways and thats pretty slow.
So if you lean the oppisit way? do it, in fact I'd like to be behind you when you do, do it.
But for me, I still dig sometimes putting that Knee down on a small single lane roundabout

Yeah you can easily do it and still be under the Speed Limit

But not if your leaning the other way to your bike

Biggles · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2012, 01:48:39 PM »

There may be a difference between fast tight manoeurvres and slow tight manoeuvres.
The Officer is riding against a clock, and so having to negotiate tight turns as quickly as possible.

sac468 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2012, 02:11:15 PM »

I think I would be worried about scratching something Namely ME

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