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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Totgas on April 07, 2014, 05:37:53 PM
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I'm assuming that a great deal of you have seen the UK youtube video about the differences between an ST1100 and the ST1300 and how this particular rider (who is very experienced) prefers the ST1100.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT5I2-4OsY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT5I2-4OsY)
Personally having never owned an ST1300 however love the look of them, I have been put off by a test ride last year and the comments I have read/watched regarding some of it's short comings.
My question to those of you that have made the transition is which bike do you prefer and why?
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The ST13 is more agile- i.e it turns in easier and generally feels lighter. The panniers and top box are bigger and better. It looks sportier. That said, the ST11 is no slouch, is cheaper, has plenty of power. The degree of difficulty in removing the plastic and general servicing is about the same, but the ST13 has more spare space under the seats and plastic for things like airhorns and intercoms. I don't know how the cruise control goes on the ST11, but works well on the 13.
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Well my experience is 3 years and 30,000km on the ST1100, and 3 weeks and 6,000km on a ST1300, I actually think the difference in the bikes is not massive, but enough that i am happy with my upgrade.
With wind and rain i think you are better protected on the ST1100, so i am very glad i have the wind deflectors on the ST1300.
I find the ST1300 feels lighter to handle turning and tipping into corners and the like, but the ST1100 feels like it sits on the Highway better (hard to describe why).
I am disappointed in the Pie Warmers on the ST1300, i use both on my ST1100, but i find the Left hand lockable one useless on the ST1300 as it gets so bloody hot.
The Sportier look of the ST1300 is a Winner for me also, i have always liked it.
Panniers and topbox are about the same on both for me, but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers.
I am on love with the adjustable screen, sounds stupid i know but it makes the bike for me.
ST1100 is Easier to service, and being an older bike it is easier to work on as well.
For pillions Teela has noticed considerably more room for her on the ST1300 over the ST1100, and the foot peg height is more comfortable for her
I bought a 10 year newer bike and it feels like it, i am very pleased to have made the change, but if i had to ride the ST1100 for another couple of years, i would have quite happy to.
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Hi Streak, many thanks for your opinion on the differences you see between the two. As I am new to the ST line and now own a Ex-Police Pan, I found the above video and your comments of great help. I have been toying with the idea of buying a 13 as well, but I may wait for a further 12 months until I get the complete feel of the 11. Once again many thanks for your view.
Cheers
Gibbo
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Quote "but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers"
and you can't with the 1100? - Me thinks you jest, as I've been doing it for years.
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Quote "but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers"
and you can't with the 1100? - Me thinks you jest, as I've been doing it for years.
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None of my helmets fit in the panniers of my ST1100 at all....it is a common complaint of the ST1100, unless I am wrong, I have heard it said many times
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Does head size affect helmet size?
Just askin'.
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I've always bought the largest size helmet that I can get my hands on, regardless of manufacturing brand.
I've never had a problem securing my helmet in the right-hand side ST1100 pannier. Too many tools to fit it into the left-hand side.
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My first ride on the 13 after I trailered it home Vs the 11 I thought what have I done :fp the difference on open straight road was negligible.....other than the then $10 grand difference :|||| but with a play with the seat location and a twisty ride home and the screen :thumbsup
I agree the 11 is much easier to undress than the 13.....but the :blk13 just exudes sex appeal WOW:
The gadgets and gizmo's on the standard non-Farkled ST1300 over the ST1100 that make a difference for us and our style of riding....... Adjustable Screen, Adjustable seat height, EFI and ABS and just a minor one....metal tank (for the style of tank bag we choose).
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I use an XL helmet and haven't had a problem with locking it in the 1100 pannier.
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well i shall stand corrected, all i can say is my shark helemt would not fit in the pannier no matter how i tried lol
i must be going mad!!
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I've never ridden a ST1100, so I can't comment on that bike. However, the principal shortcomings of the ST1300 are well documented throughout this Forum, and seem to come down to the following......
Uncomfortable OEM Seat
The cheapest fix is the fit a sheepskin cover and set the front on the middle setting, and force the back down onto the lowest setting, which has the effect of flattening the seat. There are quite a number of after market seats available, and penty of discussion on this forum about them.
Noisy Winsdcreen
I found the OEM screen to be very noisy, and like a number of other forum members have fitted a BikeQuip screen. It's much quieter. Other's have fitted other brands of screen.
Hot Crutch Syndrome
I've not experienced this problem on my 2008 bike, and believe that later versions had better heat insulation. A sheapskin seat cover provides a better seal between the tank and seat, and has been reported to minimize the issue.
Pan Weave
Often cited as a big problem, but I've never experienced it, and I understand that it has only been reported at very high speeds. There was a recall to modify the swing-arm pivot to help. I note that the Owner Manual states that 130km/h should not be exceeded when "carrying cargo". If you don't do racetrack speeds on the highways, I do not expect that Pan Weave will be an issue.
Pie Warmer Heat
The two glove boxes do get hot, and I don't use mine to store anything that could be effected by heat. They are an ideal spot to store wallets, cameras, iPod and so on, but I won't put mine in there. I made some measurements and found that on a 30 degree day, temps in the Pie Warmer reached 43 degrees while on the move, and 57 degrees soon after the bike stopped. Who knows what temps would be reached on a hot day! Some owners have fitted insulation around the outside of the compartments, or removed certain panels. It would be nice to get some temperature data before and after these mods, to see how effective they have been.
Low Bars
Fit risers, often cited as the best mod that owners have made. I fitted a set of BikeQuip risers, and the discomfort that I'd experienced in my neck and shoulders after a long day in the saddle has gone. There are may brands of risers available to suit the ST1300.
Touring Farkles
Many of our owners have made additions to their bikes, to better suit their own style and needs. Options have included cruise control or throttle lock, heated grips, GPS, headlight globe upgrades, highway blades, CB/Pillion communication systems, driving lights, sound systems etc etc. What you need is very much a personal choice. There is a wealth of information on this forum to help you choose your farkles.
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Good run down Pete..... :clap :clap
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well i shall stand corrected, all i can say is my shark helemt would not fit in the pannier no matter how i tried lol
i must be going mad!!
Mine is a Shark, probably same size as yours, I do have to remove the Sena to get it in the Pannier.
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Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:
The bike is younger for a start.
EFI system should be less trouble over the life of the bike, similar to cars.
No timing belt to change.
Probably a better bet for those who don't do all their own maintenance beyond an oil and filter change.
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Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:
ABS
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Actually, ST1100s have ABS depending on the model. ST1300 does not have traction control at all, ABS ST1100s do. Not all ST1300s have an adjustable screen either.
Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:
ABS
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I going to upset some people but to my eye the ST1100 looks better, I'm not a fan of the lines of the 1300. Just my personal opinion.
Oh and I have the same helmet as Streak and it fits in the pannier.
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i think it was hit on the head was with the Bluetooth unit on it it does not fit :)
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Just my 2 bobs worth. I have only ridden an 1100 once and after 20 minutes or so i felt nauseous because my head was being so buffeted.
I am not criticising the 1100 but it did not work for me. That was 7 years ago so I couldn't tell you what screen it had on it at the time. At the time, a 1300 didn't fit into my budgetary constraints until I stumbled across a guy who was selling a very low k one for a song. I had a ride and bought it on the spot. I got it for the price a bike shop was prepared to pay him for it. :grin
I couldn't be happier with the 1300, apart from that DAMN SEAT. :cuss
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After owning 2 1100's and too many km's riding 'em, and now having a 1300 AS WELL, for me the only real differences are the 10 or so year gap in the the design and technology etc. The efficiency of the headlights has no camparison, the 1100 is like using candles up front!! I use both for my transport, I do not own a car!!
I have also done IBA rides on both, and really can't find much difference in them, other than that I can fit more in the standard topbox and panniers on the 1300 than the 1100. ( Both have seats that are "ordinary", but don't all bikes )
The 1300 probably has the edge for commuting, as it is much more nimble in traffic etc than the 1100. I find the 1300 much easier to get the tupperware off for servicing than the 1100 as well.
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I going to upset some people but to my eye the ST1100 looks better, I'm not a fan of the lines of the 1300. Just my personal opinion.
Oh and I have the same helmet as Streak and it fits in the pannier.
Gotta say I agree with you Craig, much better lines on the 1100. I also have no trouble fitting my helmet in the pannier, even with the bluetooth on. The 1300 looks a bit like all th other japanese sports/tourers out there. :bl11
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My Evoline 3 fits in the pannier with my bluetooth device on it so long as I have the chin piece closed and the visor closed.
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I will throw in my 2 bobs worth fellas. I first test rode an ST1100 years ago whilst owning a K1100 BMW. The wind off the screen nearly blew my head off. (I am 6'2" in the old money.) Loved the motor though! A few years later bought an as new ST1100 which I loved and did 70.000s on. What a great bike!! Screen still did not suit me, but what the heck. Only sold it as the ks were climbing and value dropping. Then went to an FJR 1300 (fabulous bike) which was eventually written off. Not my fault by the way! Bought the ST1300 last year at $16990 ride away, too good to miss. The main difference between 1100 and 1300 I feel is power. 1300 is slightly lighter, more power and I think, 7 percent lower geared. Equates to snappier take off and mid range. Both handle well, 1300 slightly better turn in I think. Standard 1100 more comfortable, but bar risers and sheepskin fixed that making the 1300 much better than standard. I find the 1300 covers the ground very quickly at times without much effort, it never seems to be trying. On the occasions I have asked for more it always seems to be there.....great. Don't know anything about pan weave, never experienced it, even fully loaded (one up) at speeds I hesitate to mention. I would gladly own another 1100 if I had too though. Just my thoughts......
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The wind off the screen nearly blew my head off. (I am 6'2" in the old money.)
At 5'10" I can relate to that but I put up with it until I replaced the screen in Nov 2010.
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Of course I forgot to mention the brakes on the ST1300 much better than the 1100, though I was extremely disappointed to see that Mr Honda had deleted the traction control on the 1300. No doubt this was a cost cutting measure. The other thing I did not mention was the fueling. Though the 1100 has carbies I was amazed at how good the fueling was, absolutely spot on in my opinion. My ST1100 could be started, stone cold in the dark hours, middle of winter without using the choke. It would then settle immediately to a lovely smooth idle. Of course the 1300 being injected starts instantly but is harder to ride slowly in 1st gear, wanting to hunt a bit. This is not really a problem, just not as well calibrated as the 1100. Of course the power screen on the 1300 is great and much better that the 1100. In conclusion both really good bikes in which I had/have full confidence. It is great setting out for a ride knowing that the bike is totally reliable and will always get me home. Honda quality and dependability.....
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though I was extremely disappointed to see that Mr Honda had deleted the traction control on the 1300. No doubt this was a cost cutting measure.
As for the traction control I have never needed it in 8 years though it's switched on all the time.
The 1300 was somewhat based on what some owners of the 1100 thought might be an improvement for an updated model. The 1100 was also a European designed touring bike while the 1300 was Japanese and the more sportier and aimed at a slightly younger age group.
Overall the differences between both are minor as both models do what they're designed to do.
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1300 - warm pies . . .
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What is or how does traction control work on a motorcycle?
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What is or how does traction control work on a motorcycle?
Here you go......... http://rideapart.com/2014/01/motorcycle-traction-control-work/ (http://rideapart.com/2014/01/motorcycle-traction-control-work/) :thumb
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from the impression I got with the guy that wrote the article in Pete's post one would think that traction control in a new thing instead of something that's been bikes since the early 1990s.
The TCS system on the 1100 was introduced in 1992 but we didn't get it over here until the 1995.
Where ABS detects an impending wheel lock up and reduces brake pressure to keep the wheel turning, TCS uses the same sensors to detect impending rear wheel spin and cuts engine power accordingly. There's not a lot of detail in the manual on how it works but the traction control system is part of the ignition control unit and if rear wheel slippage is detected it controls the engine power by adjusting the ignition timing which helps rear wheel torque match traction on the road surface condition.
Both ABS and TCS monitor both wheels as normal and with TCS if the rear wheel is detected to start turning faster than it should compared to the front then The TCS is activated and TCS warning light blinks to let the rider know and the light should go out when all returns to normal.
That's as simple as I could make it.
The newer systems as suggested in the article monitor a lot more than what's on the ST1100A but the basics are the same in what they do.
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Tend to agree with most of what's said here, both dependable bikes, with the ST13 being my ride and I hereby note some bias in my views!
Fuel Consumpion:
Here are my $2 worth (decimalisation and inflation included).
Carsten (ST11) & I (ST13) had the pleasure of riding 3500 km's together through the Vic and NSW alps Oct 14. We rode head to tail all the way. Fuel consumption came up and the differences were interesting. Give or take minor differences between fills, (eg levels whilst filling) our riding styles were similar, and as I said we stuck together - The ST13 would come out using on average 0.5 litre 'less' fuel per normal fill of 20 litres. Sometimes both bikes fill were same, sometimes ST11 more than 0.5 litre•.
Noting: ST11 runs 91ron and ST13 runs 95+ Ron. So additional cost of filling negated by slight fuel efficiency dividend... AND age of bikes, I don't think Carsten would mind me saying she's been around the traps, the 'ol girl.
Cheers, Sim
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Hi Chaps,
did about 150,000 klms on my blue ST 1100 and traded it on a 2003 RED ST 1300 (non abs) which I have run up 180,000 klms on it now, so I had heaps of time to compare....Both fantastic bikes, BUT I ride pretty quick getting between 7 to 10,ooo klms per set of tyres and LOVE TWISTIES, the 1300 is a completely BETTER bike in cornering and braking over the 1100, haven't found another bike I would like to buy yet to replace it (had plenty of test rides), maybe have to buy a Honda VFR 1200 crosstourer but those little tanks are a pain for long distance riding.
Rally
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I've not posted on this forum since selling my ST1100 back in 2013, but having just spent a few weeks riding a ST1300 I thought I'd leave a few comments in this thread.
Keep in mind my ST11 was sold over 4 years ago, so comments relating to that bike are from my rapidly malfunctioning memory....
Looks - ST1300 :slvr13
In my subjective opinion, the 13 is a much better looking bike than the 11. Both are old designs now, but the 13 to me still looks OK. I never liked the look of the 11, always found it a boring design. The dash on the 13 is more my taste than the ancient 11.
Comfort - ST1100 :wht11
I found my 11 very comfortable and I could easily ride 400kms (a full tank) in comfort. I can't remember what screen I had but it worked really well and provided a nice quiet air bubble.
I didn't get on so well with the 13. The electric screen is a good touch but was really noisy in all but the highest setting, when I still needed to duck down a bit and look through the top of the screen to be at a reasonable wind noise level. The seat and peg position I found cramped and not comfortable after about an hour, and I found the 13's seat to be pretty uncomfortable in itself.
I also found the 13 to be like riding with a nuclear reactor between my legs, the heat generated by the engine is the most I have ever experienced. In cold climates this may be an advantage, but here in Qld it is way too hot and contributes to rider discomfort.
Engine and fuelling - ST1100 :bl11
My 11 had Staintune exhausts which gave a nice V8 style rumble. My 11's engine had a little bit of Honda V4 character, like my old VFR750.
I found the 13, with standard pipes, very sterile. It reminded me of the Jetsons car with nothing but a whistling sound. I also found the fuel injection to be very jerky at slow speeds in 1st gear which got on my nerves. The 11 was always smooth.
I guess on paper the 13 accelerates quicker than the 11, but I wasn't blown away by the 13. Both will have the front wheel hovering over the bitumen with swift acceleration in 1st. Neither has the punch that my current BMW 1150 has.
1100 wins this round for smooth fuelling and at least having some character.
Handling - ST1100 :blk11
Going against the grain with this one. I was a better rider when I had my 11, having not really ridden since I sold it. I used to ride the twisties on the 11 in comfort with no issues, accepting that the bike is designed for touring more than scratching. The 13 does turn pretty well for a fat heavy bike, but I did find the pegs touched down pretty quickly. For this reason I pick the 11 to win this round.
Luggage - ST1300 :blu13
I always hated the way the panniers fit on the 11, and found them to appear slightly cheap and flimsy. The 13's panniers are a weird shape but they do fit in a nicer way. Capacity is probably similar, I wasn't able to compare. The 13 also seems to have a metal tank making tank bags easier to fit. The engine heat makes the fairing compartments on the 13 really hot, so their use is limited compared to the 11.
Brakes - ST1100 :dred11
I had a non-abs 1100. The brakes were nothing special but did the job.
The ST13 should have better brakes with abs. However I conducted a braking exercise and was surprised at how early the abs kicked in and how long it let the brakes off for. I presume this is due to the abs system being a pretty old design now. I didn't like it. Braking prior to abs was nothing special.
I can't comment on maintenance. I found the 11 to be pretty easy for the basics, the fairings of course needed to be removed but it wasn't too painful from memory. I didn't do any maintenance on the 13 so can't compare. Both are reported to be very reliable. Nor can I comment on pillion comfort having ridden solo on both.
In terms of equipment, both bikes are pretty much basic motorcycles. No modern tech here. Both have stupid tyre sizes, but as long as someone makes a decent tyre that fits that's pretty much irrelevant. I don't know what tyres are still available for the 11 but the 13 I rode had decent Michelins, PR4 I think.
I was expecting the 13 to be better than I found it to be. If I'm honest, I wouldn't buy either bike now. If the only 2 bikes left in the world were an 11 and a 13 of similar age and condition, I think I would have to choose the boring looking but better riding 11. :gldst11
It's such a shame that Honda hasn't updated the ST (that CTX thing doesn't count, it just looks like a crashed ST1300). A modern, lighter ST with more grunt, less heat, decent abs, more comfort and loaded with reliable tech would probably give Honda another bike with a 10+ year showroom appeal.
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Brakes - ST1100 :dred11
I had a non-abs 1100. The brakes were nothing special but did the job.
The ST13 should have better brakes with abs. However I conducted a braking exercise and was surprised at how early the abs kicked in and how long it let the brakes off for. I presume this is due to the abs system being a pretty old design now. I didn't like it. Braking prior to abs was nothing special.
The 1300's have essentially the same braking system (same callipers) as the 1996 1100A. Triple pot callipers and combined brakes. The ABS has updated modulators and the PCV (pressure control valve) on the CBS (Combines Brakes) has a bleed valve. Over the 11 years I've had my 1100A I can't recall a moment where the ABS has activated but then in that time I've only ever had three or four incidents where it might have.
I also prefer the cleaner look of the 1100 and I guess the difference is down to the design locations. 1100 Germany and 1300 Japan.
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I'm coming up to 10 years with my 1300 so clearly I still like it. I read a lot about heat around the groin area but I have never found this to be an issue. I'm in SE Qld. I wonder if this is only an issue for those who have fitted driving lights which may disturb airflow. ??? I will admit that the left hand 'pie warmer' is just that. For me, the worst thing is the OEM seat. I wish I had bitten the bullet years ago and got a Russell seat. :fp I use an Air Hawk for full days in the saddle which does help but not perfect either.
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I never had an issue with great around the seat either.
I added driving lights and it didn't change the heat effect.
The Corbin seat I bought was very comfortable.
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Thanks Dan for giving us your thoughts.....I too had an 1100 before moving to the 1300.
If I had both bikes in completely standard form I would pick the 1100 over the 1300,but only just.....but in modified form I would come up with the 1300 over the 1100....but only just. How's that for getting splinters in my a$$ ;-*
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Thanks Dan for giving us your thoughts.....I too had an 1100 before moving to the 1300.
If I had both bikes in completely standard form I would pick the 1100 over the 1300,but only just.....but in modified form I would come up with the 1300 over the 1100....but only just. How's that for getting splinters in my a$$ ;-*
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What are the modifications done to your 1300?🤓
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Having just ridden 2,600km on my ST1300A I can give short comparison.
The first downer was when I went to put the bike on the side stand. The distance between the foot rest and centre stand isn't as great as the 1100 and I have trouble just getting my foot to the stand.
Next up is the side stand height or lack of it compared to the 1100 - bike leans over way more. The 1100 can be easily fuelled up from both sides where the 1300 leaning over further makes the task more difficult.
No restraining straps (standard on 1100) in the side cases so anything put in the LH case won't stay put because of the bike's lean angle.
Odometer not visible with the key off but really only a pain for the log book. Just used to the Ford I guess.
HISS - I like it but loose your keys or the key number and you have to get a whole new ECU unit.
I have two keys but only one works the ignition because the other key hasn't been encoded nor was the key number handed on with the bike by a previous owner.
I blinded one truckie 'cause I couldn't find the hi/lo switch - muscle memory from the 1100 maybe. Took a few times to just go from hi to lo without activating both beams. 1100 has a separate passing switch.
On the road
There isn't much between them though the 1100 has a slightly softer suspension while the 1300 has better headlights.
The 1300 was more responsive to the throttle and was easier to increase speed without realising it. I have a throttle lock on the 1100 and that might be why the difference is so great. Engine braking is about the same on both and I found the 1100 better at braking. The same system on both except for ABS modulators - could be tyres or brake pads???? 1300 revs higher for a given speed and is a little more economical but offset that with higher priced 95 or 98 fuel then the 1100 might just be in front on cost.
Better wind protection on the 1300 compared to the 1100 standard screen though for me the screen could be higher. Depends on the adjustment that it's set out now. I have a feeling the last owner was height challenged as the seat was on the lowest setting so I fixed that up today.
Both are rock solid up to 140 (accidental on the 1300) with only 5th gear needed for anything above 60kph. My 1100 needs 4th at 50kph while the 1300 seemed ok. Can't compare around town yet but I rarely exceed 2000rpm in 1st and 2nd around here on my 1100.
Brake and clutch levers are further away from the grips or did the previous owner have massive hands and moved the levers out? - will find out when I try and adjust them.
Clock adjustment is easier on the 1100 and stays lit with key off - tried to adjust the clock today - got the hours set but when I went to do the minutes it had gone out of setup mode. Took me ages to get the clock settings on the Territory as well.
Average/Instant Fuel readouts are a plus though I wouldn't call a 15 second update instant (continuous updates on the Territory) and missing is distance to empty but better than the 1100 in this area.
Took Heather down the shop this afternoon. It's easier for her to get on/off as the bike seems lower but more room on the 1100 Need to reset the rear shock as well.
I think that just about covers it.
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Some of us use unleaded 91 in the ST1300 without apparent ill-effects and still get 5l or better to the 100km.
They certainly never need 98, but you can't always find 95.
Maybe you only dazzled the truckie, but some do over-dramatise!
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They certainly never need 98, but you can't always find 95.
Maybe you only dazzled the truckie, but some do over-dramatise!
That was one of the first questions I asked about my ride when I bought it as I had experienced not being able to buy 95 or 98 on the odd occasion. I was told 91 shouldn't be an issue.
Over-dramatise... I've only ever had one person flash me about my lights and that was on the border run last year.
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Distance to empty shows up where the fuel usage is normally displayed, when the computer predicts on current usage that there is only 100 km range left.
It keeps counting down until 50 km to go and then just displays - -. Talk about range anxiety.
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Yep- usually 90 kays when cruising or 65 around town, and goes to "indefinite" at 30. Your memory is getting distant...
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I've only ever had one person flash me about my lights.
I've had quite a few with the 1100 over the years. Guess most people aren't used to seeing a bike with a decent headlight.
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Distance to empty shows up where the fuel usage is normally displayed, when the computer predicts on current usage that there is only 100 km range left.
It keeps counting down until 50 km to go and then just displays - -. Talk about range anxiety.
Yep- usually 90 kays when cruising or 65 around town, and goes to "indefinite" at 30. Your memory is getting distant...
Not really fussed about the DTE. It was just a comment as it's usually a standard thing to have in a trip computer.
Based on fuel usage on the ride back home the log book app in the tablet gave me an estimated range of 600km @ 20.426 K/L. Not that it means much as it depends on the accuracy of the odometer.
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All above very interesting.
..... Based on fuel usage on the ride back home the log book app in the tablet gave me an estimated range of 600km @ 20.426 K/L. Not that it means much as it depends on the accuracy of the odometer.
Mmmmm ....... about 4.9 litre per 100 km, never consistently been able to achieve that sort of figure on the trip computer readout.
At what sort of speeds were you travelling? Any head wind, or tail wind?
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Distance to empty shows up where the fuel usage is normally displayed, when the computer predicts on current usage that there is only 100 km range left.
It keeps counting down until 50 km to go and then just displays - -. Talk about range anxiety.
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Yep- usually 90 kays when cruising or 65 around town, and goes to "indefinite" at 30. Your memory is getting distant...
Perhaps my memory is more distant, I recall that the DTE comes on at 80km to empty. I've seen the - - too, but don't recall when that came on.
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Perhaps my memory is more distant, I recall that the DTE comes on at 80km to empty. I've seen the - - too, but don't recall when that came on.
As Gadget says, it depends on the current consumption rate, which is spot checked every 15 seconds. If it's 20+ km/litre it would more likely indicate 95 km DTE, but if it was around 15 km/litre it might start the count-down at 80 km. You can do your own rithmatik if you want the actual figures but they're ballpark.
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All above very interesting.
..... Based on fuel usage on the ride back home the log book app in the tablet gave me an estimated range of 600km @ 20.426 K/L. Not that it means much as it depends on the accuracy of the odometer.
Mmmmm ....... about 4.9 litre per 100 km, never consistently been able to achieve that sort of figure on the trip computer readout.
At what sort of speeds were you travelling? Any head wind, or tail wind?
Fuel usage based on odometer reading at time of fill and litres added.
e.g. Full tank at Mandurah 71214. Next fill at Merredin 71625. Odometer Distance 411km. Fuel added 20.252 litres. Average = 20.294 K/L Trip Computer showed 18.9 K/L see image
Small advantage travelling from West to East is you have a prevailing tail wind some of the time. Tried to maintain 110 state limit but usually at an indicated 115 to 120 K/H. Not to forget the lay of the land - not many hills between here and Perth.
By the time I got home trip computer showed 19.7 K/L average - second image
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Racking the grey cells, the DTE comes on at a fixed number of litres remaining and the distance is based on the average consumption since the last fill.
Around town I rarely saw it, mostly on long distance rides when I used to go under rhe 5l/100 km consumption.
Once had it come on at 99 km.
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I figure that the odometer will be as accurate as the speedo on the 1300. That is about 10% out. You may need to factor that into your figurings.
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I figure that the odometer will be as accurate as the speedo on the 1300. That is about 10% out. You may need to factor that into your figurings.
...only if you wanted to compare it with other bikes, or absolute values. For our purposes it's just "as read" from the data.
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I suspect that when the DTE comes on, it is based on set litres remaining and the current consumption. Reasoning? If I'm are taking it easy on the highway, I often see 90km left when the DTE is first displayed. If doing the mountains, it is more often than not 70km. You also notice a rapid decline when going from highway to suburban riding during that phase. JME. (Just my experience) :grin
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You're right, Skip. Page 21 of the Manual says the DTE initialises at 5 litres remaining. There no reference to its deriving its rate from an average from the last fill. The context in the Manual implies the DTE is based on the consumption rate at the time of initialisation, which is confirmed by your and my observation.
Another aspect that has been alluded to quite a long time ago when this subject was last beaten around the scrub, is the unreliability of the DTE kms after the ignition has been turned on and off a couple of times. For that reason, I try to pounce on the Trip A reset as soon as the left segment starts flashing, and work on 65 km available around town regardless of the DTE's read-out. Uninterrupted, the DTE is quite reliable. I use a spreadsheet and allow 1 litre unusable (it's actually 0.8 litre) and compute the distance remaining at refill using the fuel added to a standard fill point. The computed DTE is within a couple kms of the indicated DTE or Trip meter figures.
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Thanks for the research, I was wondering about this myself. Cheers
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and work on 65 km available around town regardless of the DTE's read-out. Uninterrupted, the DTE is quite reliable.
For the most part I wouldn't get to the point where the DTE activates and no doubt refill before it got there.
Never gone more than a few km after the low fuel warning on the 1100.
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Never gone more than a few km after the low fuel warning on the 1100.
It really is worthwhile testing the accuracy of your fuel indicator by going for a ride to empty, noting all the indications. Of course, you have a can of fuel in the pannier to get you to the servo once you run out. It's especially useful if you're going to do the big rides, as you do. There will come a day when the servo you counted on will be closed/unavailable/empty, and you'll need to know just how far you can go.
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It really is worthwhile testing the accuracy of your fuel indicator by going for a ride to empty, noting all the indications. Of course, you have a can of fuel in the pannier to get you to the servo once you run out. It's especially useful if you're going to do the big rides, as you do. There will come a day when the servo you counted on will be closed/unavailable/empty, and you'll need to know just how far you can go.
Let the 1100 run out once to test the low fuel warning light - took a little while to get it fixed.
I have used this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sweypro.driverdiary for the 1100 over the last four years and I have an estimated range based on the last four fills of 465km but I work on 300km when towing with spare fuel on board.
The 1300 has been set up on it as well and it gives an estimated range at the moment of 600 km but I think that's unusually high because I've mainly only done 2600 km of highway riding and not really any stop/start riding.
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It would be downhill at 80kph with a tailwind that would return 600 km. Settle for 550 at the outside, with 500 regularly achievable.
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My best was just over 550 km with a lot of drafting behind Semi-trailer.
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