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ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« on: April 07, 2014, 05:37:53 PM »
I'm assuming that a great deal of you have seen the UK youtube video about the differences between an ST1100 and the ST1300 and how this particular rider (who is very experienced) prefers the ST1100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT5I2-4OsY

Personally having never owned an ST1300 however love the look of them, I have been put off by a test ride last year and the comments I have read/watched regarding some of it's short comings.
My question to those of you that have made the transition is which bike do you prefer and why?

       
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Re: ST1100 to ST1300
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 05:46:26 PM »
The ST13 is more agile- i.e it turns in easier and generally feels lighter.  The panniers and top box are bigger and better.  It looks sportier.  That said, the ST11 is no slouch, is cheaper, has plenty of power.  The degree of difficulty in removing the plastic and general servicing is about the same, but the ST13 has more spare space under the seats and plastic for things like airhorns and intercoms.  I don't know how the cruise control goes on the ST11, but works well on the 13.
 
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 07:53:24 PM »
Well my experience is 3 years and 30,000km on the ST1100, and 3 weeks and 6,000km on a ST1300, I actually think the difference in the bikes is not massive, but enough that i am happy with my upgrade.

With wind and rain i think you are better protected on the ST1100, so i am very glad i have the wind deflectors on the ST1300.

I find the ST1300 feels lighter to handle turning and tipping into corners and the like, but the ST1100 feels like it sits on the Highway better (hard to describe why).

I am disappointed in the Pie Warmers on the ST1300, i use both on my ST1100, but i find the Left hand lockable one useless on the ST1300 as it gets so bloody hot.

The Sportier look of the ST1300 is a Winner for me also, i have always liked it.

Panniers and topbox are about the same on both for me, but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers.

I am on love with the adjustable screen, sounds stupid i know but it makes the bike for me.

ST1100 is Easier to service, and being an older bike it is easier to work on as well.

For pillions Teela has noticed considerably more room for her on the ST1300 over the ST1100, and the foot peg height is more comfortable for her

I bought a 10 year newer bike and it feels like it, i am very pleased to have made the change, but if i had to ride the ST1100 for another couple of years, i would have quite happy to.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 09:28:55 AM »
Hi Streak, many thanks for your opinion on the differences you see between the two.   As I am new to the ST line and now own a Ex-Police Pan,  I found the above video and your comments of great help.   I have been toying with the idea of buying a 13 as well, but I may wait for a further 12 months until I get the complete feel of the 11.   Once again many thanks for your view.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 08:31:06 PM »
Quote "but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers"

and you can't with the 1100? - Me thinks you jest, as I've been doing it for years.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 08:39:27 PM »
Quote "but the ST1300 wins as i can put a helmet in the Panniers"

and you can't with the 1100? - Me thinks you jest, as I've been doing it for years.
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None of my helmets fit in the panniers of my ST1100 at all....it is a common complaint of the ST1100, unless I am wrong, I have heard it said many times
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 08:54:22 PM »
Does head size affect helmet size?
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 09:04:29 PM »
I've always bought the largest size helmet that I can get my hands on, regardless of manufacturing brand.
I've never had a problem securing my helmet in the right-hand side ST1100 pannier. Too many tools to fit it into the left-hand side.
 

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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 06:43:58 AM »
My first ride on the 13 after I trailered it home Vs the 11 I thought what have I done  :fp the difference on open straight road was negligible.....other than the then $10 grand difference  :|||| but with a play with the seat location and a twisty ride home and the screen  :thumbsup


I agree the 11 is much easier to undress than the 13.....but the  :blk13 just exudes sex appeal  WOW:


The gadgets and gizmo's on the standard non-Farkled ST1300 over the ST1100 that make a difference for us and our style of riding....... Adjustable Screen, Adjustable seat height, EFI and ABS and just a minor one....metal tank (for the style of tank bag we choose).


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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 08:23:46 AM »
I use an XL helmet and haven't had a problem with locking it in the 1100 pannier.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 08:55:04 AM »
well i shall stand corrected, all i can say is my shark helemt would not fit in the pannier no matter how i tried lol

i must be going mad!!
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 08:59:14 AM »
I've never ridden a ST1100, so I can't comment on that bike.   However, the principal shortcomings of the ST1300 are well documented throughout this Forum, and seem to come down to the following......

Uncomfortable OEM Seat
The cheapest fix is the fit a sheepskin cover and set the front on the middle setting, and force the back down onto the lowest setting, which has the effect of flattening the seat.   There are quite a number of after market seats available, and penty of discussion on this forum about them.

Noisy Winsdcreen
I found the OEM screen to be very noisy, and like a number of other forum members have fitted a BikeQuip screen.    It's much quieter.  Other's have fitted other brands of screen.

Hot Crutch Syndrome
I've not experienced this problem on my 2008 bike, and believe that later versions had better heat insulation.   A sheapskin seat cover provides a better seal between the tank and seat, and has been reported to minimize the issue.

Pan Weave
Often cited as a big problem, but I've never experienced it, and I understand that it has only been reported at very high speeds.   There was a recall to modify the swing-arm pivot to help.   I note that the Owner Manual states that 130km/h should not be exceeded when "carrying cargo".   If you don't do racetrack speeds on the highways, I do not expect that Pan Weave will be an issue.

Pie Warmer Heat
The two glove boxes do get hot, and I don't use mine to store anything that could be effected by heat.  They are an ideal spot to store wallets, cameras, iPod and so on, but I won't put mine in there.    I made some measurements and found that on a 30 degree day, temps in the Pie Warmer reached 43 degrees while on the move, and 57 degrees soon after the bike stopped.  Who knows what temps would be reached on a hot day!  Some owners have fitted insulation around the outside of the compartments, or removed certain panels.  It would be nice to get some temperature data before and after these mods, to see how effective they have been.

Low Bars
Fit risers, often cited as the best mod that owners have made.  I fitted a set of BikeQuip risers, and the discomfort that I'd experienced in my neck and shoulders after a long day in the saddle has gone.  There are may  brands of risers available to suit the ST1300.

Touring Farkles
Many of our owners have made additions to their bikes, to better suit their own style and needs.    Options have included cruise control or throttle lock, heated grips, GPS, headlight globe upgrades, highway blades, CB/Pillion communication systems, driving lights,  sound systems etc etc.    What you need is very much a personal choice.   There is a wealth of information on this forum to help you choose your farkles.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 09:07:46 AM »
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 09:56:51 AM »
well i shall stand corrected, all i can say is my shark helemt would not fit in the pannier no matter how i tried lol

i must be going mad!!

Mine is a Shark, probably same size as yours, I do have to remove the Sena to get it in the Pannier.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 12:00:03 PM »
Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:

The bike is younger for a start.
EFI system should be less trouble over the life of the bike, similar to cars.
No timing belt to change.
Probably a better bet for those who don't do all their own maintenance beyond an oil and filter change.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 12:13:44 PM »
Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:

ABS

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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 12:25:49 PM »
Actually, ST1100s have ABS depending on the model.  ST1300 does not have traction control at all, ABS ST1100s do.  Not all ST1300s have an adjustable screen either.

Without getting into the riding dynamics and such, the main advantages for the ST1300 seem to be:

ABS

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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 04:43:20 PM »
I going to upset some people but to my eye the ST1100 looks better, I'm not a fan of the lines of the 1300. Just my personal opinion.

Oh and I have the same helmet as Streak and it fits in the pannier.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 05:02:51 PM »
i think it was hit on the head was with the Bluetooth unit on it it does not fit :)
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2014, 07:22:12 PM »
Just my 2 bobs worth. I have only ridden an 1100 once and after 20 minutes or so i felt nauseous because my head was being so buffeted.
I am not criticising the 1100 but it did not work for me. That was 7 years ago so I couldn't tell you what screen it had on it at the time. At the time, a 1300 didn't fit into my budgetary constraints until I stumbled across a guy who was selling a very low k one for a song. I had a ride and bought it on the spot. I got it for the price a bike shop was prepared to pay him for it.  :grin
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2014, 07:44:01 PM »
After owning 2 1100's and too many km's riding 'em, and now having a 1300 AS WELL, for me the only real differences are the 10 or so year gap in the the design and technology etc. The efficiency of the headlights has no camparison, the 1100 is like using candles up front!! I use both for my transport, I do not own a car!!

I have also done IBA rides on both, and really can't find much difference in them, other than that I can fit more in the standard topbox and panniers on the 1300 than the 1100. ( Both have seats that are "ordinary", but don't all bikes )

The 1300 probably has the edge for commuting, as it is much more nimble in traffic etc than the 1100. I find the 1300 much easier to get the tupperware off for servicing than the 1100 as well.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 10:40:47 AM »
I going to upset some people but to my eye the ST1100 looks better, I'm not a fan of the lines of the 1300. Just my personal opinion.

Oh and I have the same helmet as Streak and it fits in the pannier.

Gotta say I agree with you Craig, much better lines on the 1100. I also have no trouble fitting my helmet in the pannier, even with the bluetooth on. The 1300 looks a bit like all th other japanese sports/tourers out there.   :bl11
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2014, 04:03:52 PM »
My Evoline 3 fits in the pannier with my bluetooth device on it so long as I have the chin piece closed and the visor closed.
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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2014, 02:05:08 PM »
I will throw in my 2 bobs worth fellas. I first test rode an ST1100 years ago whilst owning a K1100 BMW. The wind off the screen nearly blew my head off. (I am 6'2" in the old money.) Loved the motor though! A few years later bought an as new ST1100 which I loved and did 70.000s on. What a great bike!! Screen still did not suit me, but what the heck. Only sold it as the ks were climbing and value dropping. Then went to an FJR 1300 (fabulous bike) which was eventually written off. Not my fault by the way! Bought the ST1300 last year at $16990 ride away, too good to miss. The main difference between 1100 and 1300 I feel is power. 1300 is slightly lighter, more power and I think, 7 percent lower geared. Equates to snappier take off and mid range. Both handle well, 1300 slightly better turn in I think. Standard 1100 more comfortable, but bar risers and sheepskin fixed that making the 1300 much better than standard. I find the 1300 covers the ground very quickly at times without much effort, it never seems to be trying. On the occasions I have asked for more it always seems to be there.....great. Don't know anything about pan weave, never experienced it, even fully loaded (one up) at speeds I hesitate to mention. I would gladly own another 1100 if I had too though. Just my thoughts......
 

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Re: ST1100/ST1300 Comparison
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2014, 04:17:39 PM »
The wind off the screen nearly blew my head off. (I am 6'2" in the old money.)

At 5'10" I can relate to that but I put up with it until I replaced the screen in Nov 2010.



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