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OzSTOC News & Rider Assistance => General Motorcycle News Links => Topic started by: ruSTynutz on March 03, 2020, 06:28:43 PM
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Is ABS the saviour safety experts suggest?
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Despite its much-lauded safety benefits, ABS may not be your saviour in a motorcycle crash because many riders don’t have time to even use their brakes before crashing.
That is one of the startling findings of a real-world global report called The Dynamics Of Motorcycle Crashes : A Global Survey of 1578 Motorcyclists.
Written by motorcycle-riding road safety researchers, it collected feedback from 1578 riders in 30 countries, with 126 from Australia, who had all crashed in the past 10 years.
To read more, click HERE (https://motorbikewriter.com/abs-saviour-safety-experts-suggest/)
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What about those who didn't crash due to help from ABS?
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And those that managed not to crash without ABS..
Oh wait, no stats on that..
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What about those who didn't crash due to help from ABS?
I guess that's good then... :thumbs
I don't think they are saying it doesn't help at times...it's just that it may not be the great "saviour" that our safetycrats would like us to believe...Probably a bit like the compulsory wearing of Fluoro vests by learners in Victoria... :crackup
Where's that can of worms emoticon when you need it? :fp
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And those that managed not to crash without ABS..
Oh wait, no stats on that..
What about those who didn't crash due to help from ABS?
We may all be on the same wave length, but there are no official (Police or Government) stats, if there was no crash.
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I once read a report done by some boffin in the States (take that with a grain of salt could be fake news!) but the gist was it was done i think in California when they were considering introducing complusory abs for motorcycles.
They conducted a test in which several "expert" riders rode a bike which was available in abs and non abs versions.
They attempted to brake in the shortest possible distance from a given speed. The results were that after an average of three attempts the expert riders could outbrake the abs equipped bikes on the non abs equipped bikes. The conclusion was that abs brakes were better for all but expert riders in controlled conditions.
As one of the riders succinctly put it.
How often does the average rider out on the road get three attempts to brake to avoid a crash.
Cheers
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They conducted a test in which several "expert" riders rode a bike which was available in abs and non abs versions.
They attempted to brake in the shortest possible distance from a given speed. The results were that after an average of three attempts the expert riders could outbrake the abs equipped bikes on the non abs equipped bikes. The conclusion was that abs brakes were better for all but expert riders in controlled conditions.
As one of the riders succinctly put it.
How often does the average rider out on the road get three attempts to brake to avoid a crash.
Cheers
I'll drink to that. As I mentioned in a previous thread on this subject, I participated in a Braking And Cornering training day a couple of years ago.
When challenged to stop from 80 kph in a designated box, the ST1300 with ABS always delivered the goods while every other bike, mostly lighter sports bikes without ABS, either locked up the rear and skidded through, or didn't lock up and still stopped well beyond the box.
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I'll drink to that......
Agree here, 'specially if a beer is invloved.
..... When challenged to stop from 80 kph in a designated box, the ST1300 with ABS always delivered the goods while every other bike, mostly lighter sports bikes without ABS, either locked up the rear and skidded through, or didn't lock up and still stopped well beyond the box.
Hi-Jack .........
When conducting the motorcycle rider training and testing back in the 80's & 90's, one of the training and test exercises was stopping with the front wheel in the box from 20 to 25 km/h. Some of the younger VIC members on the Forum may remember this, perhaps some from other States as well.
Anyway, many learners could not achieve even this low level skill, and consequently did not pass the L's test, and thus did not venture onto the public road network, at least legally, or until they passed their test.
End Hi-Jack .........
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I guess my only real beef with ABS is, and this applies to both motorcycle and car learners...
They basically learn that you can stomp on the brake pedal or apply the brakes as hard as you like and you're not gonna lock up the wheels...
They then go out and buy an older vehicle without ABS and the first time they are in an emergency situation they do what they've been taught and bam! down they go... >:()
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Hear what you are saying. It is always in the back of my mind when i ride my non abs cb1100 but i doubt i would remember it in an emergency.
Having said that i can definitely say the ST1300 abs has saved my sorry backside at least twice in 65000 odd km when my riding ambition exceeded my riding capabilities by a significant margin. So i am for it.
Cheers.
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Years ago before I purchased my Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe I took it for a test ride with Theresa on the back.
It was the first time I ridden a cruiser and it took the away ride for me to settle in a little to the very different brake pedal position.
On the way back about 200m from the dealer a lady in a car came out of a side street straight across the main road in front of us and into a shopping centre.
I immediately jumped on the brakes and as I felt the back wheel lock up thought I am going to crash this bike before I even buy it.
Yes I was fully aware of what I should have done but I would have needed years and years of practice to convince me to release and reapply that brake.
So yes there are different ways one should to apply brakes in an emergency when with ABS and without but I put it to you that if you have had time to release and reapply your brakes in an emergency braking situation it probably wasn't an emergency.
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So, WAG did you crash it?
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Here's an interesting article... :thumbs
Why isn’t ABS saving our lives?
The recent rate of development in antilock brakes and other motorcycling safety tech has been jaw-dropping. Over the last decade we’ve seen ABS go from a niche technology for tourers to a legally-mandated life-saver that palpably improves everything from supermotos to superbikes, while developments like cornering ABS and IMU-assisted traction control systems mean that momentary slip-ups that might once have been devastating can now pass almost unnoticed by riders.
Arguing against the benefits of this technology is futile; it all helps make modern bikes much, much better than their forebears. But there’s a fly in the ointment that’s becoming ever harder to ignore, and it appears in dull, dry but unarguable statistics: the number of motorcyclists dying on our roads – and those of many other countries – don’t appear to be dropping.
Before we go any deeper into those figures, let’s make one thing clear; this isn’t a criticism of any of the safety technologies that have emerged in recent years. If you haven’t experienced a moment when ABS or traction control has apparently saved you from an accident, you’re sure to have heard plenty of anecdotes from those who have. It’s the very fact that these systems work, and work so well, that makes the numbers all the more puzzling.
To Continue Reading, click on the link: https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/features/bikes/why-isnt-abs-saving-our-lives (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/features/bikes/why-isnt-abs-saving-our-lives)
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So, WAG did you crash it?
No but I am surprised Theresa is still happy to pillion with me.
But I did buy it. One of the most comfortable bikes I have owned but it would take all weekend to clean it.
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Is ABS the saviour safety experts suggest?
Despite its much-lauded safety benefits, ABS may not be your saviour in a motorcycle crash because many riders don’t have time to even use their brakes before crashing.
That is one of the startling findings of a real-world global report called The Dynamics Of Motorcycle Crashes : A Global Survey of 1578 Motorcyclists.
Written by motorcycle-riding road safety researchers, it collected feedback from 1578 riders in 30 countries, with 126 from Australia, who had all crashed in the past 10 years.
You could extend that logic to asking why have brakes
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My father was a LAME (Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer). When I was very young I remember him having a model of how the mechanical ABS worked on Viscount aircraft. I imagine these days most large planes would not be safely landing on wet runways without ABS.
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over here, you fail the motorbike diving test if you use the front brake, it is deemed to dangerous .
You also are taught to drive to the kerb so that more important cars can get by you
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over here, you fail the motorbike diving test if you use the front brake, it is deemed to dangerous .
You also are taught to drive to the kerb so that more important cars can get by you
Interesting, where is over here?
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Dubai
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over here, you fail the motorbike diving test if you use the front brake, it is deemed to dangerous .
You also are taught to drive to the kerb so that more important cars can get by you
Now that's scary! :o
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over here, you fail the motorbike diving test if you use the front brake, it is deemed to dangerous .
The bloke in this video must have got his licence in Dubai... :law
https://youtu.be/HS_VhLIC5lA