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Honda ST1100 Section => Tyres...to suit your ST1100 => Topic started by: alans1100 on December 21, 2011, 03:23:14 PM
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Hi,
Since living in a country town in SA which is about 100kms from the nearest bike/tyre dealer I put a query into the local Tyrepower dealer. Originally I went in with the Territory to get a price on a couple tyres to suit that.
They also sell the cheaper fuel in town so them seeing me in a car and bike is common. While asking about car tyres he mentioned that they do motorcycle as well.
I ordered the rear Bridgestone BT-023 for the 1100 yesterday (20/12/11) and it should be here to fit on Friday. No fitting charge if I take the wheel off myself. So should cost me about $278. This afternoon the rear wheel comes off which I have only done once before. Should be easier this time.
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Alan
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Its good that you have that option. A tyre place in Jindabyne also does the same thing, and has some common tyres in stock
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I have just spent the last hour or so removing the rear wheel so I can do my tyre change. Doing it on the ground makes it a little harder as I have to remove tow bar and the rear mud guard to get the wheel out.
What I hated was finding out the splines had not been greased when the tyre was done last time. Dry as a bone it was. Now that's not good for a dealer who should know better. I found the same had happened before when I took the wheel out myself a couple tyre changes ago.
Just as well I had grease on hand and it looks like I'll be taking the wheel out myself from now on.
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Alan
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I hope you used the correct grease Alans1100.
STray had to replace the rear spline drive on his 1100 just recently because an axle grease was used.
Honda recommend a Moly 60 grease. Under $20 a tube when you buy it from the states. Two and a half arms if bought from your local Honda STealership.
:blu13
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Thanks Malcolm6112,
I think what I used should be good enough. Castrol grease LMM High melting point extreme pressure for ball joints and constant velocity joints. The last time I did this all I could find was a marine grease with similar traits. I didn't even know I had the castrol stuff until my partner found it.
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New tyre on bike after about an hour and a half, that includes tow bar, mudguard and re-routing trailer plug lead slightly.
Tyre dealer was kind enough to bring me home so I didn't have to roll the wheel back home.
Did here somewhere that the swing arm is prone to rust on 1100's , couldn't feel or see any so hopefully it's ok. Also noticed very slight weeping on rear shock, guess that's another item to go on the list.
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Alan
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Alan, the swingarm rotting problem is mainly, or only, in the UK is the bike is used through winter on their salted roads. Rare if not unknown here, unless the bike is left in water. The exhaust collector box is also prone to rotting in the UK, so that is why you can buy stainless replacements.
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I ordered my 2nd front BT-023 today after 12,000kms and my first order from Jake Wilson ($AUD165.61). I could only afford one tyre this time but I still saved about $60 compared to the last tyre bought from my local dealer.
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I ordered my 2nd front BT-023 today after 12,000kms and my first order from Jake Wilson ($AUD165.61). I could only afford one tyre this time but I still saved about $60 compared to the last tyre bought from my local dealer.
Front tyre arrived to day. Not bad, 6 days from US. Getting fitted tomorrow at local Tyrepower dealer for $15.00, so $180 fitted compared to $231 fitted at dealer in August 2011.
Just finished taking front wheel off. Bit of a learning curve as it's first time I've done this one. Gives me a chance to clean up 140,000kms of road dirt etc from the bits I can't get to when it's all together. Freezer bags will come in handy to cover the calipers.....lol
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I put another order into Jake Wilson this morning (11/07/2012) and after a little indecision I just ordered the rear tyre only. Hopefully both front and rear will need to be replaced together next time and I can try out the Avons. Total delivered cost for the tyre part of my order was $162.73.
It appears that the BT-023 120/70ZR18 front tyre as been dropped in favour of the GT version only and they never had any in stock anyway.
So they now have BT-023GT 120/70ZR18 for 1100 & 1300 and BT- 023GT 170/60ZR17 for the 1300 and standard BT-023 160/70ZR17 for the 1100.
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Rather than start a new thread.
It's now time to replace my front tyre and in the last few weeks I've been looking at different options.
I've come down to a choice between the Shinko Verge (cheaper) and Bridgestone 23's which I have had for the last three sets.
At the moment the Bridgestone 23 GT (from US) in 1300 sizes is in front. These will cost about $300 for the set delivered to my door.
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Yesterday I had a pair of BT023's fitted by Tyres For Bikes in Brisvegas - $397 including $2 surcharge for Moly paste.
I bumped the bike off the centre stand this morning and heard a strange grinding noise coming from the front brakes - eventually I found that the screw holding the front ABS sensor in place was missing and the sensor was grinding itself to pieces on the pulse wheel. There is no need for it to be removed (or so I thought, but after checking the book, I now know it is removed! - thanks Alans1100 for pointing that out) when changing the tyre, and TFB say "of course we didn't remove/loosen it" (but they must have!), but is wasn't there and would be unlikely to just fall out by itself. The surface under the head was clean and bright, so it hadn't been working it's way out over a period of time!
I replaced it this morning with a cap head screw from the local Bolt Pro, so all is well. No errors in the ABS, so I think the sensor has survived the trip down from Brisbane to the Gold Coast. Wasn't happy, I can tell you.
If there is a moral to my story - it is that one should never assume that anyone (including yourself), who touches your bike, will take sufficient care and to always check the work, if possible, before riding away. Your life may depend on it.
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I need to take my wheel down to my local tyre dealer for the tyre change over. They normally do cars and dirt bikes and they will do road bikes if you take the wheel down. They will order Bridgestones in but for the pair it would be over $500 (same price at nearest bike shop). So I order OS and I get charged for fitting but I'm still in front.
The front wheel sensor according to the manual (1100A) is removed to allow clearance for the wheel to be removed. I removed my front wheel last time and there's no way the wheel rim will get passed the sensor, it has to be removed. A 5 mm gap between sensor and ring is required.
I should have taken photos last time but will be this time.
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I just ordered my tyres from JW but they won't be shipped until the front one (the one I need) is in stock.
With todays currency conversion rate it works out to about $AUD303
I thought about getting the Shinko but after seeing the BT23's in GT spec to suit 1300 rear I chose those which are not listed on the Australian Bridgestone site. Order date: Tue Jun 18 20:48:32 MDT 2013
Order number:
Ship Via: DHL AUSTRALIA
Product Description Part # Price Quantity Sub Total
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Orders shipping to international addresses are held until all items are in stock.
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170/60ZR-17 (72W) Bridgestone Battlax BT023 GT Rear Motorcycle Tire - 2008 Honda ST1300 (ABS) (Rear) 1360770002 $119.99 1 $119.99
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Items on backorder
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120/70ZR-18 (59W) Bridgestone Battlax BT023 GT Front Motorcycle Tire - 1999 Honda ST1100 (ABS) (Front) 1360760003 Estimated Delivery
Jun 28, 2013 $101.99 1 $101.99
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Total Due: $221.98
Shipping $ 65.00
Total $US286.98
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I heard about a GT spec tyre becoming available, but at the time it was not in our sizes. The Bridgestone is the cheapest 'name brand' tyre close to the Shinko in price.
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I remember reading somewhere that Shinko is the old Bridgestone tyre works moved from Japan to China. Anybody tried the Shinko's? What is your opionion? Good or bad? Value for money?
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I think they bought the old Yokohama motorcycle tyre plant originally, but have since done their own thing.
I have used a few sets of them in ST1300 sizes on the ST1100, as have a few other ST11 riders I know. The landed cost from jake Wilson is around $220 a set, but I buy in 3 sets at a time.
Typical life is 15,000kms plus, upwards of 20,000kms so far. I have found them as good as any other tyre in the wet and dry, which surprised me. Originally I was only going to use them as a saving to pay for the tyre changing equipment I bought, but I continue to buy them because they work and last. They do feel a bit more sporty and ride slightly harder than tyres like the Pilot Road 2, but cost 30% less from the same place. I got 17,600 from a set of PR2s, they did not feel any better than the Shinkos and towards the end of their life felt worse due to the way the dual compound wore in a strange pattern.
The Bridgstone BT023GTs are now available at a good price as well from Jake Wilson, and not that much more than Shinkos if you want to stick to a better known brand
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It was the GT spec that influenced the choice in the end so that I could compare them to the standard BT 23 tyre.
Shinko is still on the cards for the next change over when ever that may be.
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Just got the e-mail from JW saying my tyres have now been shipped via DHL.
Also an e-mail from DHL with the tracking info. Estimated delivery on the 29th or the 1st of July.
The annoying thing is the day the transaction went through. Rather than charge on day of the order, they charged on the day they sent the order which is ok but with our dollar going south meant a little more cash out so total cost delivered was $321.14 (inc bank fees) but still cheaper than local.
Bought some 90 degree valve extensions this time which cost me $12.74 delivered.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321147958360?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321147958360?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
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Have used JW a fair bit and always impressed by prompt delivery and cost
But now starting to get slugged $90 to fit them so am looking at doing my own
Any pointers on tyre changing equipment would be great
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Have used JW a fair bit and always impressed by prompt delivery and cost
But now starting to get slugged $90 to fit them so am looking at doing my own
Any pointers on tyre changing equipment would be great
I don't have a bike shop closer than 110 kms so i get the local tyre dealer to fit. Costs $30 a tyre but they can't balance but still cheaper than buying plus fitting at bike shop.
Found this on E-bay..... something like this. It would pay for is self after a couple tyre changes.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Manual-bead-breaker-/221240681169?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3382f8e2d1&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Manual-bead-breaker-/221240681169?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3382f8e2d1&_uhb=1)
This one has the lot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Mousse-Installation-Premium-Kit-incl-levers-bead-tools/320997177319?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D8642891869581208883%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D320997177319%26 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Mousse-Installation-Premium-Kit-incl-levers-bead-tools/320997177319?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D8642891869581208883%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D320997177319%26)
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I have a tyre changer to clamp the wheel and break the bead, as well as a no scuff tyre change bar, and various other bits and pieces if anyone around the ACT is interested in either using or having a look at.
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Thanks Saaz that would be great
Let me know when you are around
would like to get my own and it's always helpful to see what others are using
PM or ph 0408240343
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No problems. I am home from this Saturday on until next Friday when I leave for ebor. I can point you those things that work, and one of the main parts I bought in Australia.
As a guide, I use the no scuff tool, and given my time again might make up a tyre locating tool like in the following as it is cheap and seems to work. At the moment I use a tool that clamps onto the rims.
http://no-scufftiretool.com/ (http://no-scufftiretool.com/)
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Tyres arrived today.
I was supposed to sign for them but at 7:30am in the morning. I think the courier knocked on the door (I didn't hear), no answer so they got left on our front porch.
The GT tyre seems to be a little more solidly built than the basic BT-23, The front tread pattern is different as well. I think the rear is the same but I need to check.
At 10 am this morning I started the wheel removal (plenty of dog supervision as well) and took a few photos as I went. The A model, compared to the standard model has a little extra work involved getting the wheel off.
Will post up in the next day or so after it's all back together.
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Tyres arrived today.
I was supposed to sign for them but at 7:30am in the morning. I think the courier knocked on the door (I didn't hear), no answer so they got left on our front porch.
The GT tyre seems to be a little more solidly built than the basic BT-23, The front tread pattern is different as well. I think the rear is the same but I need to check.
At 10 am this morning I started the wheel removal (plenty of dog supervision as well) and took a few photos as I went. The A model, compared to the standard model has a little extra work involved getting the wheel off.
Will post up in the next day or so after it's all back together.
Link for tyre change here: http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=4579.msg48686#msg48686 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=4579.msg48686#msg48686)
And the tread comparison between the GT tyre on the left and the upside down standard 23 on the left.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4216/35381020570_e9ba63ca14_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VUuYL3)
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The rear wheel has just been changed over to a 1300 rear T30 GT spec with the front one booked in for a tyre change at the car tyre dealer next Wednesday.
Looking at the mileage the previous BT-023 GT Spec 1300 rear gave me 9581kms which is about 1500km better than the standard 1100 BT23 Rear. The GT tyre had an all but 500km return ride to Adelaide in the wet with no issue at highway speeds or in city traffic. As usual the softer side tread compound wore quicker than the harder centre compound so I'll be watching this on the T30 tyre.
The drive flange when removed had plenty of moly paste unlike the first post back in 2011 and more was added this time around.
Rear brake pads down to about 1/4 pad thickness left so after front pad inspection next week I can decide to either do pad change over/fluid when they arrive or wait until next oil change (in 5000kms) and do clutch and brake fluid at same time.
I even managed to clean the wheel before putting it back in place.
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This reminds me that I have a few sets of the o rings for the rear wheel that I don't think I will use given that the ST won't be doing near as much distance for the forseeable future. So if anyone needs any let me know.
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If you bring them to Uralla we can do a deal on at least one set.
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Ok, I will try and remember to bring them.
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Front tyre is in the process of getting swapped over to the new Bridgestone T30 GT with expected refitting of wheel tomorrow and a ride to Port Pirie on Thursday.
After 10650 km there's still a couple thousand k left so this is the first time in a while that both tyres have essentially been replaced together. Though a week apart I've only ridden 11 k in the last week down to the shop and for fuel.
Wear on the front BT 23 GT has been almost even across the width of the tread unlike the standard BT 23 which had more wear in the softer compound each side of the centre tread. The new T30 is only a single compound tyre on the front so it looks like old is new again.
The front RH inner brake pad is the most worn and below 1/4 remaining so pad change will take place before then end of the month when I get a drain hose and more brake fluid for the overdue fluid change. This time I left the LH calliper in place (usually remove) and it's now a little less work in removing the front wheel.
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This reminds me that I have a few sets of the o rings for the rear wheel that I don't think I will use given that the ST won't be doing near as much distance for the forseeable future. So if anyone needs any let me know.
saaz, :grin if you've got another set of 'O's I'll do a deal n take em at Uralla also ++
:dred11 :dred11 :dred11
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I will grab them now and pack them in case I forget! Abe got them, but I forgot what they cost, will have a look back at PMs.
There are 5 sets in the packet, was $16 for the lot, so I will divide them up for those who want some.
This reminds me that I have a few sets of the o rings for the rear wheel that I don't think I will use given that the ST won't be doing near as much distance for the forseeable future. So if anyone needs any let me know.
saaz, :grin if you've got another set of 'O's I'll do a deal n take em at Uralla also ++
:dred11 :dred11 :dred11
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John,
Can you keep me a set as well for my next tyre change.
We're still deciding about this years border ride and if we don't go we can meet along your route up near where we live and collect them. Any idea of your route south of Port Augusta yet?
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Here's the link:-
2 of the three rings fit the 1300 and Goldwings (some)
May be time for someone to do a group buy.
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3781.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3781.0)
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No, not yet, but I can post them if needs be.
John,
Can you keep me a set as well for my next tyre change.
We're still deciding about this years border ride and if we don't go we can meet along your route up near where we live and collect them. Any idea of your route south of Port Augusta yet?
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So much for refitting the wheel yesterday as it was to cold, rainy and windy. Needless to say that todays ride to Port Pirie was delayed a couple days. The skies cleared a little so wheel refitted this afternoon.
Still using Dyna Beads so all that remains is to put some air in the front tyre before I go anywhere. I'm still unable to say whether over the last two sets of tyres they've done anything or not but they don't seem to do any harm either. So until I'm able to get wheels/tyres balanced the beads will still be used.
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On Thursday the tyres had their first run at highway speeds and with the trailer in tow. Being aware of new tyres the ride was a more casual pace of around 90 - 100 k/h and on dry roads.
The newer T30 GT tyres seem firmer than the BT 23 GT but if that makes any difference to tyre life remains to be seen.
Added weight in the trailer for the return trip, slightly cooler temps in the late afternoon plus a couple downhill runs in excess of 110 k/h (state limit) so a mixed bag on the way home with new tyres now ready for normal usage.
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Here's an update on the Bridgestone T30 tyres.
No wet weather riding at the moment other than a ride or two down to the shop. Roads in my area would be 80 percent straight which is reflected in the rear tyre wear. About half the distance is with the trailer and 95 percent would riding two up.
Since they've been fitted I've only done 3650k and the front showing very little wear but it's even across the single compound tread width though the angle of the sun light suggests otherwise.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4231/35769387595_b191003a93_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuPsKe)
The rear is just beginning to square off on the RH side where the two compounds meet. As above, the angle of the sunlight makes it look worse.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4282/35769385455_e484580c61_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuPs7k)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4109/34928152294_b8294ed415_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdtUNj)
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After just under 9000 km the rear tyre has gone past the legal tread limit. In that regard it's no better or worse than the previous BT-23 GT that was on before.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4009/35381237550_0c7f00be9b_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VUw6g5)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4230/35637319541_6645c08d15_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wi9zvP)
The front has more even wear and a few more km's to go. As with the rear more wear is evident on the LH side of the tyre.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4242/35381241250_3dd46a7705_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VUw7mS)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4286/35637313441_d8bd0efbfd_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wi9xGD)
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The front has more even wear and a few more km's to go. As with the rear more wear is evident on the LH side of the tyre.
([url]http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j374/alans1100/2015_0315T30-Tyres0003.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/alans1100/media/2015_0315T30-Tyres0003.jpg.html[/url]) ([url]http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j374/alans1100/2015_0315T30-Tyres0004.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/alans1100/media/2015_0315T30-Tyres0004.jpg.html[/url])
Bang goes "the camber causes uneven wear" theory (unless you ride on the right side of the road around Peterborough).
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That wear may have something to do with lean angle.........Perhaps I'm more confident when doing a LH bend than I am doing a right.....my corner speed is also faster on the LH than the RH which would cause the LH to wear a little quicker.......both reasons sound good so they'll have to do.
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I will grab them now and pack them in case I forget! Abe got them, but I forgot what they cost, will have a look back at PMs.
There are 5 sets in the packet, was $16 for the lot, so I will divide them up for those who want some.
This reminds me that I have a few sets of the o rings for the rear wheel that I don't think I will use given that the ST won't be doing near as much distance for the forseeable future. So if anyone needs any let me know.
saaz, :grin if you've got another set of 'O's I'll do a deal n take em at Uralla also ++
:dred11 :dred11 :dred11
saaz:: is there enough for a set for me too please?
Cheers
Grumpy :grin :bl11
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I got rid of them all not long after.
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With the recent disgusting downward slide of our dollar I bought my new tyres from the local car dealer. The rear 160/70 T30r (not GT spec) was fitted a in March for $283.95. The previous GT spec tyre was a few k's short of 9000.
The front (not GT spec) is getting fitted on Friday with the current GT spec tyre having done 12,200 km.
I don't see any of the advertised improvement in tyre range of the T30r GT spec tyre over the BT23 GT spec tyre nor is it any worse. The front tyre will cost us $230 fitted.
I ordered these tyre balancing beads today and to my door for just over $26. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200953853375?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200953853375?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT.)
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Good as place as any to put this.
The last time I checked air pressures on this set of tyres was the eve of the Border Ride in August so about 5 weeks ago and I haven't ridden to far since then. This afternoon I checked them and to my surprise the pressure hadn't dropped at all. All good for a ride to Port Pirie tomorrow now.
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Rear tyre replaced today with a PR3 170/60ZR17 (1300 size) with the just removed Bridgestone T30r making only 7018Kms. To be fair though the first 2000 km was a two up trailer trip to last years border ride and about half of the remaining kms was with trailer as well. Hoping the PR3 gets a lot better than that.
With the car off the road due to a faulty steering lock (needs new column) the wheel and tyre was picked up at 7:30 this morning (guy on way to work) and has just been dropped of on his lunch break. Country town service and he also put the balancing beads in the tyre; they do it for trucks so they're used to it.
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The front wheel is down at the tyre place getting the T30 Bridgestone removed after 11450 km. Not yet down to the wear bars but I noticed a slight crack in centre of tread so being the brave soul that I am and not wishing to tempt fate with a Whyalla trip on Saturday so the PR3 is going on today.
The PR3 rear after 3800 km seems to be doing a lot better than the T30 it replaced for the same distance.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4217/34928519864_23e948a367_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdvN4J)
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:bl11. Gidday Alan.
I was wondering that when you change the rear tyre ,160/70 to a 170/60 series is there a noticeable difference in a higher rpm at highway speeds? Being a lower profile.Good write up about your tyre history .
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John,
There is no noticeable difference in RPM, or drop in range or increase in fuel required for a distance
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:bl11. Gidday Alan.
I was wondering that when you change the rear tyre ,160/70 to a 170/60 series is there a noticeable difference in a higher rpm at highway speeds? Being a lower profile.Good write up about your tyre history .
Hi, only a minor difference about plus 3 percent from here http://tiresize.com/calculator/ (http://tiresize.com/calculator/) so e.g. 3000rpm on OEM size @ 100 K/H would mean about 3090 RPM for the same speed.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4012/34928597014_b02ea1e966_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdwbZU)
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With some casual work due to start in the near future I decided to check out the current rear tyre on the bike and maybe replacing it sooner rather than later. Available cash meant getting a cheaper option so I went back a Bridgestone T30 EVO 160/70ZR17 http://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/detail/pr009/index.html (http://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/detail/pr009/index.html)
Ordered today from the US at a to my door price of $AUD238 at todays exchange rates for my bank or $US177.
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New Bridgestone T30 EVO rear arrived yesterday and getting fitted on Monday. I was going to remove the rear wheel this afternoon decided to leave it until Monday morning; no need to get dirty twice!!!
PR3s still have tread but not enough to last the 3 months I'm away working so better to do sooner than later which gives the PR3 rear 8500km.
There was a time when I'd wear the centres out before edges and now it's opposite - the down side of the modern tyre I guess.
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Alan,
Do you do the tyre change your self or do you take it somewhere and they do the actual change for you?
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Alan,
Do you do the tyre change your self or do you take it somewhere and they do the actual change for you?
I take it down to the local car tyre dealer. Just take wheel/tyre and new one plus the balancing beads and it's all swapped over for $15/wheel. If it's urgent I'll get the tyre from them and then it's fitted free.
They do all the local farm bikes so it's no drama; only they can't balance as they don't have the bike adapter for balance machine.
Finished fitting it today and noticed the rear calliper wasn't as free to slide as it should be and the outer pad had worn more than the inner so new pads needed ASAP.
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The Michelin PR3 front that I put on about a year ago is nearing replacement so I ordered some tyres this morning.
I checked out JW and looked at some local online stores over the last few weeks and decided on a pair of Dunlop Roadsmart 2s from http://www.motorcycletyresplus.com.au/ (http://www.motorcycletyresplus.com.au/) Total cost $390 for both and free delivery
Prices including shipping were on par with JW so made sense to buy local. The Dunlop 2s being superseded by the 3s were about $60 cheaper than the Bridgestone T30 EVO which suits my budget at the moment.
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I had an emergency replacement after my aborted BB2500 and got a rear replacement Pilot Road 4.
Cost was $330 JUST for the rear!!
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I just had a call from Road & River Tyres.
Seems the rear tyre I ordered in my size is out of stock and since it's been superseded by the Roadsmart 3s I was given the choice of upgrading both front and rear (pay a little more) or they swap the rear for no added cost. Works for me considering I was looking at the 3s for next time.
http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.eu/dunlop_euen/mc/tyres/on_road/RoadSmart_III.jsp (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.eu/dunlop_euen/mc/tyres/on_road/RoadSmart_III.jsp)
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Alan,interesting choice as most ( as I read ) go with Michelin or Pirelli. Please leave some feed back as to how they go as I don`t mind experimenting...looking for tyres in 12 months or so...... :wht11
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Alan,interesting choice as most ( as I read ) go with Michelin or Pirelli. Please leave some feed back as to how they go as I don`t mind experimenting...looking for tyres in 12 months or so...... :wht11
I did try the PR3s and bought them on a run out deal.
The front is still on after fitting in April last year and has just done 12,000km and almost down to the tread limit bars which is on par with what I usually get on the front. Had I paid full price for the tyre I wouldn't have got anything for the extra price.
The PR3 rear managed a mere 8500km and again on par with what I usually get. The current rear is a B/stone T30 EVO and it's done 7400km and I'm running this one with 45psi to see if it makes a difference but hard to tell at the moment.
If I was riding solo most of the time my tyre wear may not be so bad but riding two up and about 40 - 50 percent trailer usage it doesn't seem to be any gain from using a supposedly better tyre.
The best tyres I ever had on my 1100 were Dunlop D205s and nothing has ever come close to mileage I got out of those (F - 18000km and R 12000km).
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Is it a case of mileage Bs grip?
Longer mileage tends to be a harder tyre compound in car tyres and I know they have much less traction in stopping and corners.
Is this the same deal with bike tyres??
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Is it a case of mileage Bs grip?
Longer mileage tends to be a harder tyre compound in car tyres and I know they have much less traction in stopping and corners.
Is this the same deal with bike tyres??
Yes it is.
Friction is what determines grip. Harder compounds don't flex as much at the contact point and is not as tacky and therfore loses grip earlier. The softer compound flexes more and is stickier and so grips the road better.
It is one of the reason the Michelin PR3s and PR4s and other similar tyres grip so well. They have a medium compound in the Centre of the tyre where you spend the most time and a soft compound on the sides for when you are cornering and need the most grip.
Here is a really good article on tyres (tires):
http://www.canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/tires.php
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Cheers
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Tyres arrived a few minutes ago and just looking at the tread and without measuring the depth it appears deeper (at least on the rear) than the T30s.
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Front wheel down at the tyre dealer having the new tyre put on so should have it back late this afternoon.
This is the PR3 that I put on in April 2016 which has done 12,740 km. Could have squeezed a little more out of it but it's down to the wear bars and with winter coming not far off it was better to change. This one was running at about 38/9 psi instead of my usual 36.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4217/34928696024_6be96b1264_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdwGqY)
This is the next one on and after nearly 9 years I thought I give Dunlop another go.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4237/35637702671_193c2a9048_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wibxpv)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4143/34928693784_0942032c47_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdwFLm)
The rear isn't to far off of being replaced either.
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You need to ride over Horrocks n back a few times to get rid of the flat spots . . I'll come over to help out . .
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You need to ride over Horrocks n back a few times to get rid of the flat spots . . I'll come over to help out . .
Only time mine gets any serious corner work is through that pass otherwise it's mainly straight roads and hi speed corners (85 k/h and above).
Bike back on the road today after paying the rego online last night.
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Rear wheel is now off the bike waiting for the local tyre place to come and pick it up plus the tyre tomorrow morning.
It's been 3 and a half years and 43,000 km since the final drive repair and all still looks good an no signs of wear on the drive flange either. Replacing all the 0 rings this time though the ones in place appear to be ok.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4125/35770100375_40531c03df_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WuT7Cx)
This Bridgestone T30 Evo made 9000 km with a Dunlop Roadsmart 3 going on.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4216/35728735116_0cea699e5e_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wre7bq)
Also I have to look at this. Bought some degreaser and once clean I'll see if I can find where it's coming from.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4280/35728742266_d576c4788c_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wre9iG)
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Looks like to O ring under the cap could be leaking.
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Looks like to O ring under the cap could be leaking.
Cleaned all the oil off that I could and I have to agree so I ordered the oil cap packing; I would have called it an O ring and it will only cost $10 plus a stamp for it to be sent from the Port Augusta dealer.
O ring on the drive flange was ok but replaced anyway and he ones on the wheel and in the drive unit had seen better days and had to be replaced.
All put back together just as a light shower of rain fell.
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Looks like I'm up for a new front tyre.
There appears to be canvas showing at various locations around the centre of the tread pattern as in the photo.
What I don't get is that it the tyre hasn't quite got to the wear bars and has only done 6 or 7000 km. The speedo drive failed so I can only guess at the usage but wouldn't be anymore than stated.
Could the 3psi (from 36)increase in air pressure cause the tyre to wear more in the centre on the Dunlop Roadsmart 2 than the same pressure on the T30 tyre? The rear is ok with only 5000 km and running the 3psi (from 42).
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4462/37342780061_4a926ee460_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YTRvvx)
Regardless I've ordered a new PR4 GT spec tyre for the front at a cost of $228.95 delivered
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This diagram might help explain the effects of over and under inflation.
I know its car tyres, but the laws of physics are the same.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/079ca954443b437c312d68763a94dc23.jpg)
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This diagram might help explain the effects of over and under inflation.
I know its car tyres, but the laws of physics are the same.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/079ca954443b437c312d68763a94dc23.jpg)
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Thanks,
Increased in pressure to compensate for the added weight of a pillion but seems to have had a negative effect on this tyre so going back to normal pressure on the front. Rear seems ok.
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Arrived in today's post.
Can't complain this time - postage paid 29/9 at 2:38 pm at Wollongong and arrived this morning and a long weekend as well.
$202.65 for the tyre plus $26.30 postage or $228.95 total.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4496/37452752272_7e3a2c4c61_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Z4z9q9)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4489/23631620298_030d4ca49a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/C1feph)
Ordered the balancing beads today so they should arrive by Friday; hopefully.
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They are a good tyre
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Arrived in today's post.
Can't complain this time - postage paid 29/9 at 2:38 pm at Wollongong and arrived this morning and a long weekend as well.
$202.65 for the tyre plus $26.30 postage or $228.95 total.
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Ordered the balancing beads today so they should arrive by Friday; hopefully.
Probably not my choice of tyre, as I have one on there (ST13) at the moment... They don’t wear very well and you’ll see some odd patterns developing after a few thou...
As for the Dynabeads...
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876
I’d rather get it statically or dynamically balanced, rather than relying on those beads...
I don’t mean to be negative here at all, but it is my business, I deal with this stuff every day...
So apologies in advance...
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Probably not my choice of tyre, as I have one on there (ST13) at the moment... They don’t wear very well and you’ll see some odd patterns developing after a few thou...
As for the Dynabeads...
[url]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876[/url] ([url]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592876[/url])
I’d rather get it statically or dynamically balanced, rather than relying on those beads...
I don’t mean to be negative here at all, but it is my business, I deal with this stuff every day...
So apologies in advance...
Managed just over 12000 km of the PR3 that was before the current Dunlop.
Not possible to get the tyres balanced where I live as the car tyre dealer doesn't do enough road bikes to warrant the cost for the part needed for the balancer. They normally do the farm bike tyres and they never get balanced - by the way they put balance beads in the truck tyres they do and just put the ones I buy into my tyres.
Have been using the beads on all but one tyre in the last six years and no noticeable difference between static or beads - works for me and better than nothing.
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Just ticked over 30,000 from my Pilot Road 4 on ST1300 with no sign of uneven wear best tyres I have had on it
I don't think the ST1100 would be harder on tyres
Except Alan tows a trailer which would cut milage
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The Dunlop Roadsmart 3 160/70 which is on the rear has now done about 7000km and looks to be one of the better tyres I've had on and running at 44 PSI. Certainly a lot better than the Roadsmart 2 which was on the front.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4553/38597921782_303b692a4d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21NLrq3)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4531/38630626591_72b020b3dc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21RE4q4)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4533/38630626231_c474c86c33_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21RE4iR)
The tyre when new
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4143/34928693784_9e3d0d4e3a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VdwFLm)
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Just ordered another Roadsmart 3 since the current one is 2nd to best I've had for mileage in the 12 years I've had her.
About 12,500 km estimated (maybe more) due to speedo cable failure - Current one has about 1000 - 1,500 km of life in it; might be enough for the Glendambo ride but playing safe. Only cost $259.95 with free delivery from Peter Stevens for a 170/60ZR17
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Tyre arrived this morning - Sent from Melbourne and can't complain at 5 days including a public holiday. Booked in for Wednesday for fitting
Label says high mileage and I guess compared to my previous Bridgestones etc. of around 8,000 to 10,000 km on the rear then the current Roadsmart 3 tyre has done high mileage at 12,000 to 13,000 km.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/976/41688814052_6541bb9b2c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26vU515)DSC_1604 (https://flic.kr/p/26vU515) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
Looking at the tread and comparing to the older one on the bike it looked like a new tread pattern but I was wrong. The grove section I highlighted in red vanishes long before the other groves in the surrounding area giving a smoother surface for more grip as the tyre wears.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/824/41688814192_7528f0d7c4_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26vU53u)DSC_1605 (https://flic.kr/p/26vU53u) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
Tread depth in the centre of the tyre was 6mm while the current tyre is down to just above the wear bars and about 1 mm at the tyre centre.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/26860840437_0c0ca47fdd_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GVAQ3z)DSC_1606 (https://flic.kr/p/GVAQ3z) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
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Removed the rear wheel today for the tyre swap tomorrow.
Checked the splines and all looked ok at 56,000 km after the final drive repair. Surprised at the amount of molypaste left from the last tyre change.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/974/26950725647_3c3a753f41_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/H4xvMz)DSC_1615 (https://flic.kr/p/H4xvMz) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/956/40919864235_66bca6449c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25kX11B)DSC_1612 (https://flic.kr/p/25kX11B) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
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Had a hassle putting it all back together.
Couldn't figure it - couldn't get the calliper and mount to sit in properly for the axle to slide in; gremlins.
Turned out to be the pad location clip in the calliper. First time since I've been doing the brakes and tyres myself that this piece fell out. Replaced it but must have moved a little when replacing the pads. Out with the pads again and the related the clip, installed the pads making sure all was ok and the mount plus calliper almost fell into place- axle in
Bike back together and ready for Glendambo; just need me to be ready and awake for the 5am start.
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I searched through about a dozen online motorcyle shops this afternoon trying to find a front tyre to fit our 1100A. Ended up getting a Roadsmart 3 to match the rear. Should be here in about a week. Cost $218 delivered.
https://www.motospares.com.au/dunlop-roadsmart-iii-sports-riding-touring-commuting/ (https://www.motospares.com.au/dunlop-roadsmart-iii-sports-riding-touring-commuting/)
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Looks like the seller can't supply a dunlop even though it was on the website. Transaction refunded but I asked if they had either a Bridgestone T30 EVO or Pirelli Angel in stock.
Looks like they only have Bridgestone, Michellin and Pirelli on their site now so I decided to go with the Angel on the 1100 since the one up front on our 1300 is still going strong after 10,000km/6200 miles. Cost this time $224.25 deliverd
Interesting comment: 120/70ZR18 was only available in the GT spec but in their Michellen range it was only availble in the standard tyre.
https://www.motospares.com.au/pirelli-angel-gt-sports-touring/ (https://www.motospares.com.au/pirelli-angel-gt-sports-touring/)
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The PR4 GT spec is the right one for the 1100, I think its the same one for the 1300.
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Both standard and GT spec are suitable with the GT being the better option
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Had a message from the seller saying he wouldn't send the tyre until I confirmed that I still wanted the tyre because the tread pattern differed to the website image. First time I've heard that someone might not want a tyre due to a different tread pattern; anyway tyre is on the way and I should get it Wednesday.
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The tyre arrived unexpectedly this morning. AusPost tracking showed the tyre sitting in Melbourne from the 20th.
Now considering which bike to have it fitted to since both current tyres have about the same mileage and expected wear to go. It will also depend if the 1300 tyre will last long enough to get to the border and back.
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Looks like the seller can't supply a dunlop even though it was on the website. Transaction refunded but I asked if they had either a Bridgestone T30 EVO or Pirelli Angel in stock.
Looks like they only have Bridgestone, Michellin and Pirelli on their site now so I decided to go with the Angel on the 1100 since the one up front on our 1300 is still going strong after 10,000km/6200 miles. Cost this time $224.25 deliverd
Interesting comment: 120/70ZR18 was only available in the GT spec but in their Michellen range it was only availble in the standard tyre.
https://www.motospares.com.au/pirelli-angel-gt-sports-touring/ (https://www.motospares.com.au/pirelli-angel-gt-sports-touring/)
Our 1100A's front wheel is down at the tyre dealer getting the Angel GT fitted.