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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Lights and Lighting => Topic started by: Streak on June 08, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
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I have seen a number of Posts about LED Driving lights, I already have FF50 HID lights (from of a good friend down the range), underneath i have some basic halogen 35w flood lights that done do a damn thing to be honest, so i am looking to replace them with something that does.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/photo-10_zpse20a02d4.jpg)
I am happy with what the FF50 HID do for distance, i am looking for something to fill the blank spots around the 100-200 area in the table drain.
does anyone have any good suggestions as to what i could use?
I did find something like this on ebay, but i didnt want to spend over a $100
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-x-CREE-LED-MOTORBIKE-DRIVING-LIGHT-SPOT-TOURING-ADVENTURE-BMW-TRIUMPH-SUZUKI-/261215510910?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cd1a8617e&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-x-CREE-LED-MOTORBIKE-DRIVING-LIGHT-SPOT-TOURING-ADVENTURE-BMW-TRIUMPH-SUZUKI-/261215510910?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cd1a8617e&_uhb=1)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/CreeDrivingLights_zps53eb754d.jpg)
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Looking at the same lights myself mate, Abe has these exact lights on his 1100, cannot recall the beam pattern.....he would be your man for a real world opinion......
:beer
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Yep, got them and their on, but, I haven't been on the street yet, at night.
However, they do light up the 11metre garage like day light, flood nearside and beam offside.
We can do a field test at Ebor with sober witness and post results.
Mine cost $129.00, very easy to connect.
I'm very happy with the $$$ outlay to the result.
Cheers
Dave
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Sober witnesses ??? Your dreaming !!! :fp
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Streak
I started using these little numbers a good few years back. They are on ebay and much more powerful now than when I got mine.
They are compacts and fit into small places. The rear end of the housing unscrews and the mount can be reversed which I would suggest so its centred under or over the light.
I can assure you they are very strong and its taken nearly 100,000 km to finally bust a lens but its still waterproof.
The same light has been king hit with a cocky and flexed enough to prevent damage to itself our the plastic fairing.
(http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz327/Gateman/LED%20lights/LEDlights002.jpg) (http://s840.photobucket.com/user/Gateman/media/LED%20lights/LEDlights002.jpg.html)
just to give you an idea of size
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TonyK has two spots. I opted for a flood and a spot.
If you buy these the flood will more than satisfy. I note some now come with a dimmer unit.
They get my :thumbsup
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(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q791/vegapup/LED-ST1100002_zpsee56784d.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/vegapup/media/LED-ST1100002_zpsee56784d.jpg.html)
Homemade aluminum bracket fitted
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Homemade aluminum bracket (both the same)
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Finished
(http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q791/vegapup/LED-ST1100003_zps2e46efb8.jpg) (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/vegapup/media/LED-ST1100003_zps2e46efb8.jpg.html)
Notched out for bracket and cable
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One thing I really like about these compact light's is the places they fit.
Job looks good Abe :thumbs
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Thank you for everything so far Gents, brackets wise I already have the Dick Seng brackets (http://www.spoiledbiker.com/ST1100-brackets.html (http://www.spoiledbiker.com/ST1100-brackets.html)) that fitted into the Police light bracket, but it is very interesting seeing the other mounting ideas for the ST1100.
just pondering which ones to get?
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Question with the LED's with installing them do they come with ballasts or anything that needs to mounted elsewhere? or is it a simple install the might and plug and play
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LEDs are a low wattage, low voltage device. So you just connect the same as you would an ordinary driving light.
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The Narva kit came with L.E.D drivers and a label explaining how the world will end if I don't use them. two little box's like HID ballasts.
My other L.E.D's just wired up like Brock said.
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([url]http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/CreeDrivingLights_zps53eb754d.jpg[/url])
14% discount at AU $159.00 this week.
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The LEDs would be useful to add to the driving lights (I have euro beam 55w HIDs) as well as coming on straight away to fill that lag gap if the HIDs have not been on in the last 20 seconds or so.
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Well Bit the Bullet and just ordered myself a Set of the lights that Gatey has used, i think it is going to be $97 well spent
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-X-Cree-LED-Motorcycle-Fog-Driving-Lamp-Head-Light-KTM-BMW-ATV-W-Controller-/380656384858 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-X-Cree-LED-Motorcycle-Fog-Driving-Lamp-Head-Light-KTM-BMW-ATV-W-Controller-/380656384858)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/CreeLEDMotorcycleFogDrivingLampHeadLights_zpsb07836ac.jpg)
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Streak, it would appear that these lights are more fog or Daytime Running Lights (DRL). The lumen output is around 500LM which is comparable with the DRL's that I run from Clearwater which have a 800 lumen output. Mine are located on the lower part of the forks and from the front give a view of a triangle of light on low beam.
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Streak, it would appear that these lights are more fog or Daytime Running Lights (DRL). The lumen output is around 500LM which is comparable with the DRL's that I run from Clearwater which have a 800 lumen output. Mine are located on the lower part of the forks and from the front give a view of a triangle of light on low beam.
Main reason i went with these is on Gateys Recommendation, if they don't work out, well i am sure i will ride down and beat him slowly to death :)
i am planning on not using the contoller and runng them at full brightness, i am sure you will give me an i told you so sooner rather than later :rofl :rofl
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If you don't like them I have a place to put them :fp
On my bike...not were the sun don't shine :|||| :H
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Hi Streak, try this site I had a set of their 1600 lm light on my ST and they were Great. :thumbs
I see that they now have a pair of 3000 lm LEDs for $220 they should be unbelievable. :eek
http://stores.ebay.com.au/MaxLumens-4-MinCost?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 (http://stores.ebay.com.au/MaxLumens-4-MinCost?_trksid=p2047675.l2563)
:grin :blk13 :grin
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Don't get me wrong Streak, they are a good light as the light extends out to the sides as well forward. Leds are getting better and better, as was just said they keep improving. I am a big supporter of the LEDs :thumbs
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Don't get me wrong Streak, they are a good light as the light extends out to the sides as well forward. Leds are getting better and better, as was just said they keep improving. I am a big supporter of the LEDs :thumbs
Agreed mate, always like your input, although teela hates it you give me idea on how to spend more money....
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If they do actually put out 3000 lumens each light, that would be the same as a decent 35w HID driving light. And having used some converted nrvas with 35w HID bulbs, the light output is very decent. It just depends on what the beam pattern is like, as a good bean pattern can make up for less power.
Hi Streak, try this site I had a set of their 1600 lm light on my ST and they were Great. :thumbs
I see that they now have a pair of 3000 lm LEDs for $220 they should be unbelievable. :eek
[url]http://stores.ebay.com.au/MaxLumens-4-MinCost?_trksid=p2047675.l2563[/url] ([url]http://stores.ebay.com.au/MaxLumens-4-MinCost?_trksid=p2047675.l2563[/url])
:grin :blk13 :grin
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Has anyone tried the PIAA LED driving lights ?
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Pretty sure the question was"" LED Flood Lights, suggestions?""
As a flood these are strong, cost effective and compact....and pump out great flood light.
Streak if you find your not happy with them can I have first option on them please?
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Still undecided on style & size.
These were the lights i was referring to ....
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(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/greeneyedmonster1/PIAASMALL.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/greeneyedmonster1/media/PIAASMALL.jpg.html)
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That mount looks very strong
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The mount on the 2nd pic (1100LED ) does look very solid.
It is probably half the size of the LP570 in the 1st pic.
Until the over the mirror mounts arrive i'm a bit gun shy about buying anything in case it doesn't fit >:()
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I installed these
http://www.visionxusa.com/LED-Optimus_Series/c1_247/index.html (http://www.visionxusa.com/LED-Optimus_Series/c1_247/index.html)
On these
http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=339&zenid=ed2op6ln1h9tvh0do9c922t1r5 (http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=339&zenid=ed2op6ln1h9tvh0do9c922t1r5)
which look like this
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/ajudd1/IMAG1486_zpsd9998468.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/ajudd1/media/IMAG1486_zpsd9998468.jpg.html)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/ajudd1/IMAG1487_zps270adf72.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/ajudd1/media/IMAG1487_zps270adf72.jpg.html)
Cost was $360 installed. Where I was comfortable riding at 80kms per hr at night before now I can sit at 100kms easily with the added vision they supply. Also if I think a tintop hasnt seen me one quick flash sees them stopping quickly now :thumb
See this thread for details
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3926.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3926.0)
Cheers
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I decided to go with the Diesel "Factory Patrol Bracket" option, but am not sure how it will go width wise with the Calsci screen fitted.
With the $AU predicted to fall through the floor for the foreseeable future i have decided to bite the proverbial bullet
- farkling my brains out in the last few days before it drops any further :||||
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I was browsing Jaycar's catalog and looks like they are selling LED flood and spot lights for $120 each. I haven't seen them in person or in action.
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3918&keywords=sl3919&form=KEYWORD (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3918&keywords=sl3919&form=KEYWORD)
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That's very impressive for the money!! And Jaycar is less than 1 km from here.
A bit of work needed to make a mount, but can do. The basic mount looks to be a good start.
50,000 hours life should cover a fair bit of night riding.
Small enough to mount on forks so would shine into the corners.
Hmmm...
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I spoke to Jaycar about those a couple of days ago here locally, tells me he will get 1 in for me to have a look......ticks lots of boxes
:beer
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I just went down to have a look at them (was going anyway to get a few things) The lights are nowhere near as compact as those smaller ones mounted under the mirrors. The pictures make them look far more dainty than they are - they are a seriously built unit. So fork mounting is not an option. They are more a full size 4" light, are heavier than my HID 4" as they have a robust full metal body with cooling fins. Heavier than an equivalent halogen driving light as for the output they produce they need a decent heat sink. The mount looks to be very robust.
So I would put them in the category as not being auxiliary compact light stealth lights like the ones posted so far, but as main driving lights. A very decent mounting bracket would be needed to cope with the weight (ie police bracket or a Dick Seng one)
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They do look good, I think the amp draw is a smidgeon less than my HID spots and a smidgeon less than the Glenda led's. The led spot version distance is not quiet there compared to the HID.
I don't think you would go wrong if you were purchasing a pair
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The sad thing is that with 70w HID hi/lows and 55w HID euro spots I am still seriously thinking about how to mount some LED spots below the mirrors just to get that bit more for those times when you need a faster start up time and pure distance as opposed to spread . How much is enough..well depends what you get used to!
They do look good, I think the amp draw is a smidgeon less than my HID spots and a smidgeon less than the Glenda led's. The led spot version distance is not quiet there compared to the HID.
I don't think you would go wrong if you were purchasing a pair
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LED is mickey mouse compared to HID - Today I had a farm tractor pull out of a driveway into my path and he near rolled it once I flashed him with the LED's. The shocked looked on his face was priceless. It wouldnt have happened whilst waiting for HID's to warm up :-(((
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The sad thing is that with 70w HID hi/lows and 55w HID euro spots I am still seriously thinking about how to mount some LED spots below the mirrors just to get that bit more for those times when you need a faster start up time and pure distance as opposed to spread . How much is enough..well depends what you get used to!
They do look good, I think the amp draw is a smidgeon less than my HID spots and a smidgeon less than the Glenda led's. The led spot version distance is not quiet there compared to the HID.
I don't think you would go wrong if you were purchasing a pair
Saaz, your 55w are drawing around 9amps?? and the HID 70w around 11.5amps?? not sure what else you run but if you put these led's from Jaycar on then you add around 6 amps??. These led's may be what you need to keep the amps down? just for interest, I have the 45w HID's in the headlight, the HID spots are 35W and the Glenda LED's are 36w.
My reasoning for this setup is that the headlights do not required the warm up going from low to high, the LED's give the instant light out to say 350 meters, then the HID spots pick up over 2 or 3 seconds. I believe that my eyes stay adjusted to the light as it goes from high to low and back????
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TJ, that was my thinking as well. I probably don't need LEDs that are quite that big physically, and there are times when it is not worth putting on the HID spots due to having to dip the lights too often.
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Does anyone know if you can have both the Police over-bracket and the Dick Seng under-bracket together on the mirror mount?
This is getting a bit theoretical, because Missus Biggles already thinks the Narvas over the mirrors ruin the bike's looks.
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Dont think they will fit Biggles. Now a customised version of the over mirror where the tube goes under as well,,,,,,,
If I had a tube bender and a lathe, I could probably come up with something... and a shed, boy do I need a man cave...
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Be nice to have a pair of those on the schWING....
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Does anyone know if you can have both the Police over-bracket and the Dick Seng under-bracket together on the mirror mount?
This is getting a bit theoretical, because Missus Biggles already thinks the Narvas over the mirrors ruin the bike's looks.
I think Gatey is working on that very solution Bill...... :thumb
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Hi guys
I have an option that's working so far with two lights mounted under the mirror as per a Dick Seng. The one up one down is in proto stage now...however a couple of things need a bit of attention first.
What needs to be remembered is all that gear is held on by 2x M6 bolts. onto that 2.2mm plate. Its that plate I;m working to beef up as part of a kit.
This bit of beef will also make the mount through the vent job able to take on a bigger light.
The under screen bracket works very well.(( only suitable for pre electric screen model 13's)). This unit gets the light up above the stock fitting and within the width of a stock screen.
Cross bar hold's a pair of light's up to 7" if need be.OR one of those light bars.
No pics for obvious reasons...
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What needs to be remembered is all that gear is held on by 2x M6 bolts. onto that 2.2mm plate. Its that plate I;m working to beef up as part of a kit.
I presume there is a nut welded behind the plate, and we're not just depending on two threads in the plate itself.
Are you worried the weight would be too much for 2.5 mm plate- that it would flex or fail at a weld?
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Yep Biggles that plate with the welded nuts. Some of these bigger LEDs have some weight to them, The end plate is prone to flex and without too much effort it bends.
Even a simple drop in the shed with one of these light kits and Seng type mounts will wreck this little stock plate. It was after all only ever expected to hold a mirror.
I'm endeavouring to make a triangulation back onto the tube section as well as use the existing plate.
If an over and under brackets going to be of use with a few different model/brands of light then I have to take weight into account.
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Good work Chris, can't wait to see the finished product......glad I didn't throw away my old Rallye 2000's :crackup they might live to shine again......well maybe not :thumbsup
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I have some old marschal driving lights that are too big to fit on the bike (used to be mounted to the bulbar on a ute I had). Only 55w bulbs but the beam pattern is fantastic - spread and penetration. Its something you have to pay decent money for these days.
Good work Chris, can't wait to see the finished product......glad I didn't throw away my old Rallye 2000's :crackup they might live to shine again......well maybe not :thumbsup
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Does anyone know if you can have both the Police over-bracket and the Dick Seng under-bracket together on the mirror mount?
This is getting a bit theoretical, because Missus Biggles already thinks the Narvas over the mirrors ruin the bike's looks.
Yes they do, with a slight modification to the police brackets. Not a big project just the removal of a small part of the bracket and a longer bolt. I have had the ST1100 set up that way and added the same setup to the ST1300. This setup has done the odd few Km's without issue.
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Yes they do, with a slight modification to the police brackets. Not a big project just the removal of a small part of the bracket and a longer bolt. I have had the ST1100 set up that way and added the same setup to the ST1300. This setup has done the odd few Km's without issue.
You're not worried about the issue Gatey raises regarding the strength of the stock mounting plate?
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I left poly brackets as is and modified the under wing bracket
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Yes they do, with a slight modification to the police brackets. Not a big project just the removal of a small part of the bracket and a longer bolt. I have had the ST1100 set up that way and added the same setup to the ST1300. This setup has done the odd few Km's without issue.
You're not worried about the issue Gatey raises regarding the strength of the stock mounting plate?
No, not at all, it is still a very sturdy and solid bracket even with the mod, well it has not fallen of as ye and i have also mounted something else on the bracket near the light >:()
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While the bike was down for the timing belt change over I removed the driving lights located below the headlight and relocated the wiring to mirror housings in readiness for the as yet undecided light set.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4611/40401644301_3a1774695d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24y9Zha)003 (https://flic.kr/p/24y9Zha) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
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The Cree lights look pretty good and the combination of a spot and the spread beam I think is a good idea.
The second set are the same HID's that i currently run but mine are 35w and are both spot beams, my Led Glendas give me the spread that I need and I would rate them as good as the HID conversion of the FF50's
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I bit the bullet and got myself down to Jaycar to have a look at these lights and walked away with a pair >:() off with my Hid spots and on with the Led ones I love instant light over the Hid warm up time
And the light is so much more white to me..... My main headlight high beam looks a little yellow now
I will get some night shots soon for you to view
$119 each and 2 year warranty also easy to adjust Allen key up and down movement
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they look the goods to me :clap $240 a pair ??
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Awaiting your report with baited breath Turtle.....these top of my list for a look at the moment :thumbs
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Turtle I was looking at something like your old ones. what power are they and are you thinking of selling them. I need some extra light for the border run.
Bill
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Sorry Bill for the late reply on the lights I'm putting the old HID ones on the 4wd mate
Ps see you on the Border Run
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No probs mate. :thumb I am doing or attempt fr10 first day. leaving home at 4 to Brookton meeting YORKIE at 7 in York of all places then ray at 10 in Southern cross then to Balladonia friday night. From home 1018kms. Welcome to join me or the others. May need someone with better lights. :grin Will discuss lights when we meet.
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I have upgraded my headlight to HID from here, http://www.delonixradar.com.au/hid-xenon/motorcycle-hid-lights/h4-hi-lo/, (http://www.delonixradar.com.au/hid-xenon/motorcycle-hid-lights/h4-hi-lo/,) have 2x3000 cree lights and 2x Hella HID spots.
Checked with my Lux meter today at 5 mt high is 3400, with cree is 4600 and with all on is 7200.
For those who don't know 1 lux is the measurement of 1 lumen per square meter, e.g. a lux of 1,000 lumens, concentrated into an area of one square metre, lights up that square metre with an illuminance of 1,000 lux. However, the same 1,000 lumens, spread out over ten square metres, produces a dimmer illuminance of only 100 lux.
With our lights we are looking at a very narrow spread.
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Yorkie your lights certainly have improved over the OEM lights :wink1
:wht11
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HID conversion was really straight forward, change lamps and run cable from battery, the rest just plugged in.
I ordered on Friday, delivered on Monday, they are in Perth.
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Check out the testing these guys do :eek
Super Off Road Aurora LED Light bar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXw-8Ad1sm0#ws)
Talk about testing to the extreme :thumb
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Yep, I think they've just about proven their point. :eek
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Check these little beauts out.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120954693673?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120954693673?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
:wht11
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Got to love the way he lists every 12 volt system bike known to man. Pretty safe since it's up to you to find somewhere to mount them. Hella is a reputable brand, but they're still just 55w halogens. You can put 55w globes in the headlights. By the time you add postage to Oz you'd probably find them here at a similar price.
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In my opinion the LED's are for between high beam and HID, LED range is 300-450mt depending on which pattern it is, HID go out to 750 or further depending on type.
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A set of those in spread and HID spots would be quite ok :wink1 But as I alreaday have Euro HID driving ligts perhaps the other way around :think1 or spread and spot in each pair :think1 have to think about mount extra lights below the police brackets first...Tonight's ride back along the highway unable to really use the HIDs much brought this to mind 9as you do while riding along) as the stretch of roa into canberra is know for a bit of wild life (but perhaps it was too cold for them tonight!)
Awaiting your report with baited breath Turtle.....these top of my list for a look at the moment :thumbs
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One of my mates is thinking of fitting a lightbar to his bike and I thought it could be very good on an ST :think1 :think1
So I thought I'd ask what the people that know about these things think of it?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-NEW-10-9-120W-CREE-12LED-10W-Work-Light-Bar-Off-Road-SUV-ATV-4WD/1077539987.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-NEW-10-9-120W-CREE-12LED-10W-Work-Light-Bar-Off-Road-SUV-ATV-4WD/1077539987.html)
Cheers
Shiney
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10 amps draw, might want to keep an eye on other electrical demands
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Sorry to say it, Shiney, but I think they would be "over-kill" and make the front of the bike look ridiculous.
OK on a fourby or Agbike, but not one of our good looking tourers.
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Well , after looking around i decided to go with a set of PIAA LEDS to mount on the police brackets.
http://www.piaalights.com/details.php?productName=POWERSPORTS%201100%20SERIES%20LED%20LAMP%20KIT (http://www.piaalights.com/details.php?productName=POWERSPORTS%201100%20SERIES%20LED%20LAMP%20KIT)
and got a set of spark moon wedge bulbs to replace the blown headlight marker lights while i was at it
http://www.piaalights.com/detailsLed.php?productName=LED%20T10%20BULB%20SPARK%20MOON (http://www.piaalights.com/detailsLed.php?productName=LED%20T10%20BULB%20SPARK%20MOON)
Hopefully everything will arrive in time to be fitted for Inverell :grin
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Where have you ordered the PIAAs from, Dave? I see Amazon won't ship them to Oz and the eBay sources are USA.
Wide range of prices on the driving lights!
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Hi Biggles , paid US200/AU225 a few weeks ago from Ebay for the driving lights.
Relisted at US600 the next day - 5 left in stock.
A big please explain on that one , Pauline :p
The wedge bulbs were a bit expensive too - the flip side being they have sent 2 lot's.
The 1st being opened shop returns.2nd lot unopened , brand new. None have arrived yet.
All from the you essay :whistle
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Got home this afternoon from the Border run, I can confirm LED's are only a fill in for the gap between Hi and HID's, the advantage of LED's was the spread which HID's lack although LED's do not have the range.
IMO both are required.
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10 amps draw, might want to keep an eye on other electrical demands
I told you so :well
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Besides, its 11" (280mm) wide, it just wont look good
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And I would check on the weight, as LED light bars can be heavy. The LED lights from Jaycar were heavier than the 4" HIDs by quite a margin. The cooling needed from the meatl casing seems to be the weight source.
Besides, its 11" (280mm) wide, it just wont look good
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Thanks for the info guys :-++
I was just looking at using 1 light bar as an alternative to running multiple lights hanging around the mirrors
I thought that this would create less wind drag, use less power (being LED) and if hidden away wouldn’t look too bad...
Something like this:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w435/ShineyOzSTOC/honda-st1300-frontLightbar02_zps5aaabf18.jpg) (http://s1075.photobucket.com/user/ShineyOzSTOC/media/honda-st1300-frontLightbar02_zps5aaabf18.jpg.html)
Light bar:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/80W-8000LM-CREE-LED-Spot-Flood-Combo-Work-Light-Bar-CREE-Offroad-Lamp-Car-ATV-SUV/1118496235.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/80W-8000LM-CREE-LED-Spot-Flood-Combo-Work-Light-Bar-CREE-Offroad-Lamp-Car-ATV-SUV/1118496235.html)
Cheers
Shiney
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these ones are a bit different to the other one, 6 amp draw this time. if you go down this line I would be interested in seeing the result
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these ones are a bit different to the other one, 6 amp draw this time. if you go down this line I would be interested in seeing the result
I agree TJ. I blew one of the HID's on the Biloela trip, and the Compac 80's are too strong to be fog lights, so this is something I am interested in also, with a secondary smaller set for fog lights (read tabledrain lights)
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Jaycar have these at $400 for the pair.
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3920&w=SL3920+SL3922&form=KEYWORD (http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=SL3920&w=SL3920+SL3922&form=KEYWORD)
Interestingly, in their speil, they specify "For Off-road use only"! Haven't seen that before.
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If you go here, http://www.lightforce.net.au/images/pages/4WD%20161%20LR2.pdf (http://www.lightforce.net.au/images/pages/4WD%20161%20LR2.pdf) lightforce tested 30 or so HID, Halogen and LED lights for 4x4, from a range of manufacturers, HID are good for 600-900mt, Halogen 300-500mt and LED around 100mt with great spread.
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" and LED around 100mt with great spread".
Wrong.
Sorry Yoryie but my own long term use and testing are at odds with your line quoted.
Even my LED hunting torch, mounted over the scope has 400ntrs usable light and will illuminate eyes, vehicles and shedding even fence end assembly's at 800mtr. That's the length of my driveway.
LED has made huge leaps in design, power use, and output over the last 5 to 6 years. Price has been coming down and build features going up. Manufacturer's that missed the boat ( like Lightforce) are all just a bit touchy and behind the other players still.
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" and LED around 100mt with great spread".
Wrong.
Sorry Yoryie but my own long term use and testing are at odds with your line quoted.
Even my LED hunting torch, mounted over the scope has 400ntrs usable light and will illuminate eyes, vehicles and shedding even fence end assembly's at 800mtr. That's the length of my driveway.
LED has made huge leaps in design, power use, and output over the last 5 to 6 years. Price has been coming down and build features going up. Manufacturer's that missed the boat ( like Lightforce) are all just a bit touchy and behind the other players still.
Hey Gatey, I was only quoting what is said by Lightforce, there are so many different lights out there it is difficult for the average person to make a choice, it is only by reading tests like this which give some idea.
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Turtle bought some of those Jaycar LED lights..wonder how they went?
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The Jaykar light turtle has mentioned are now fitted east and west on a high speed tractor used for root cutting in the cotton. Its helped keep some of these guys from mulching their own utes and other plant at speed. Just another example of great value, easy fit up.
Yorkie yes I get your only quoting what that report said.... a comment about your own experience with any of those products for or against helps back up their findings and those of your own...
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your just helping them reinforce their marketing line/interpretation needed to sell whatever product they need too.
The info per my quote is still wrong and misleading.
If your interested...May I send you some LED' Lights that will prove the case in favour of LED? short term testers of course...I'm not a bottomless pit. Or you could come to Overland Corner and ride my clunkerST at night and see what you think of the cheaper end of LED's
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Gatey I would like to know what LED's you are using, I looked at some online sometime back, looked good however at around $1k each, I am a pensioner so they were not going to happen. Size is also an issue there is not much around smaller than 100mm.
I am currently using a pair of 50mm Hella HID's which I have had for about 20 years, no longer in production, have a penetrating beam but nothing to the side, this is why I am looking at options.
If somebody on this forum can come up with the perfect light at a reasonable cost I am sure everyone would get them.
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Your HID's didn't see this then
If your interested...May I send you some LED' Lights that will prove the case in favour of LED? short term testers of course...I'm not a bottomless pit. Or you could come to Overland Corner and ride my clunkerST at night and see what you think of the cheaper end of LED's
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And I'm self employed so paying $1K ea for any light is just stupid stupid stupid....but nothing ever seems beyond acquisition. Stupid is a standard item in Aus these days...like dick-heads in cars or GreyHound buses.
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I am looking at lights now both HIDs and LEDs. Gatey what brand are you using and cost as I am a cheap bastard so value for money rules. Bringing my comments earlier to the for we need to have a challenge and do our own comparo.
:wht11
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Current Jaycar cat sales dates 9 Oct to 31 Oct has on the front page...
5"LED spot lights $129ea or 2 for $218 saving $40 bucks from last months price.
Flood light part number SL-3918
Sopt part number SL-3919
I know some guys in here have had them fitted for some time.
Yorkie that price is good buying and according to their web site come with harness ( though I have noted some agents don't include those on some items. I think these would suite your budget...Its suits mine for light on the wife's wagon.
6.5" solid LED lights feature on page three of that same catndog. That price shown is what the 5"cost a short time back.
Wombat the light I have been playing with is a VisionX Light Cannon. $230 ea and are probably the best unit build and light wise Ive played with in a short while. Very tough and better value than the Narva units I have on the ST.
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The VisionX give 1 lux at 1000 feet which is 307mt, I think that is a pretty good light for our purposes, as for the Jaycar the quoted distance is 378mt however 1 lux is at 189mt, over 1/3rd less distance and approx. 1/3rd the cost less.
Once again it comes down to getting what you pay for, I think I would pay the extra for the VisionX.
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Since that "demon bird" ate one of my HID driving lights, I have had to look at a replacement. I was soooo close to picking up the visionx cannons, a single 25w led, how good is that! giving 300 and a bit meters of good light! using only 4.1 amps as a pair, that is pretty good.
However, for me, the led in a spot beam has just not quiet reached the mark where i can stop using the HID's. so I have picked up a replacement pair of 35w HID's in the spot beam, this will push the light out that extra bit of distance where my current LED's from Clearwater finish.
I am treating the Hid's as temporary as I am hoping, with the production of this 25w led, things will lead on to at least a 35w LED in the very near future :thumbs
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I use the VisionX 10 watt led spot 20 spread which give spot and width - 693 feet of useable light plus great circle of light which lights up the road edges. Where I was comfortable riding at 80kms now I can ride easily at 100kms at night :clap :grin
I find cars at 10kms away are dropping their lights early leading me to dropping mine earlier.
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Dropping your lights earlier can be dangerous as you create a poor visibility area between you and the oncoming traffic, this needs to be kept to a minimum.
I had a set of Hella Predator's on a patrol, I had to dip when oncoming traffic was 3 or 4k away, hit a few roos in that distance, eventually put a set of halogens for the in between.