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marco

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Rear cowling
« on: January 24, 2012, 10:58:35 AM »
Hello to all I',m new to this site


I'm seeking a rear seat cowling to fit my ST1300 maybe a police cowling will do . so I can convert my rego to a single seater  much cheaper in QLD
 

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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 11:07:20 AM »
Welcome Marco.

I'm sure some knowledgable ST1300 person will be along with some ideas soon.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 12:34:21 PM »
From the pic it looks like the Police models have a single seat and a cowl - what I mean is, the cowl doesn't fit over the standard dual seat, the seat itself is smaller than standard, like on the 1100.  So I would guess that you'd need a Police seat and rear cowl.

http://motorcycle-web.com/honda/st1300_police_abs_2005/1.shtml

Edit: Although looking at it, is the standard seat in 2 pieces?  Maybe the standard front section would work...

I've seen bikes for sale though (not necessarily ST's) that claim to have single seat rego but still have a dual seat.  They seem to have the rear footpegs removed and that's about it.  I don't know enough about getting single seat rego to know how they go about arranging this I'm afraid. 
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 12:34:59 PM »
Oh and Welcome, by the way  :thumb
 

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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 12:50:45 PM »
Marco - is this the marcopolo from the usillies site.
This is a cheeky idea I know but when you see a cop on an ST stop him and check out the seat.
Funny how friendly these guys are. (if your not doing something supposedly illegal)
Got one at present who is checking to see what the police do with all the mirror light mounts that are taken off the bikes before they are sold.
there is an older thread in here which may help with the tyre enquiries you had.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 12:55:24 PM »
yes this one and the  same marcopolo from ulysses
 

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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 01:13:13 PM »
Marco I think this is what you want.

http://www.corbin.com/honda/st13smug.shtml
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 02:03:56 PM »
That looks like a good idea, as I think to go to the police hutch some mods to the rear frame might be needed to secure it.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 03:29:21 PM »
That looks like a good idea, as I think to go to the police hutch some mods to the rear frame might be needed to secure it.
Reading the fine print I think it is just interchangeable with the OEM seat.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 03:40:18 PM »
Here is the fische

http://www.hondaparts-direct.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=528888&category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=2006&fveh=12140

The cross plate looks to be different to the standard one, so hopefully it is just a matter of bolting it on and using the original seat latch
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 04:04:37 PM »
Some of the reading I have done about STs overseas seems to indicate the whole rear frame is different. A standard frame may need some brackets welded on to take the Police hutch. The Smuggler hutch on the other hand may be a simple fit. to the existing rerar seat mounts.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 06:59:21 PM »
Don't think you need a single seat for single rego?????
 

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 07:09:58 PM »
Think Terry might be right.  Check with the Main Roads and might save lots of money.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 07:14:41 PM »
No idea from this side, we dont have solo rego in WA. Rego is pretty cheap for a bike anyway.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 07:53:41 PM »
Don't think you need a single seat for single rego?????
The Corbin Smuggler replaces the pillion seat leaving a single seat
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 08:49:25 PM »
In Qld there are two rules:
Rear pegs must not be able to be fitted (e.g. drill out threads on frame, remove peg mounts etc), &
The seat has to be no more than 50 cm long measured rearwards of a point taken vertically from the forward most point of the lower seat frame.

At 75cm, an ST1300 (in Qld) would definitely require the back section of the seat to be removed or covered.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 08:54:41 PM »
Even to Police ST wouldnt meet those rules, as the location for the rear pegs are still there. I dont think any one would seriously consider grinding them off...

Perhaps removal of the rear seat and pegs and fitting of the corbin might suffice.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 09:57:12 PM »
G'day & welcome, Interested to know how much difference in price there is between solo & dual rego
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 11:44:38 PM »
It looks like a great idea. Can't be used with a topbox though. Defeats the purpose in some ways.

Like the colour.

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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 08:46:54 AM »
Oh I dont know about that so much, Im sure the clever folk fere could work out a way to reposition a topbox slightly so that it would still fit
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 08:52:46 AM »
G'day & welcome, Interested to know how much difference in price there is between solo & dual rego

In QLD a dual seat is about $400 rego, single seat $220 - so it saves $180/year.
 

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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 09:15:21 AM »
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I had mine done and all I did with seat was undo the outer lining from the rear of the seat and fold it back to the centre ridge then carefully with a sharp knife cut thru foam to the base and remove.

Then fold lining (vinyl) under the rest of the seat,,,(everything can be put back later) and I also removed the rear pegs with a fine blade on the angle grinder.

Then it was just a matter of organising an inspection by a government authorised engineer.
I was able to organise mine thru the bike shop who did the RW , and of course he got his little bit of the top of $50 I think or it might have been $25.
He will have look at it then fill out the paperwork , stamp out a plate and affix it to your bike.

The reason for putting the seat back to original is that I was informed that it was legal.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2012, 12:00:30 PM »
Fellas, 

Up to you what you do with your mods after they are approved, just be aware that you are liable for a defect ticket for non-compliance in Queensland for a vehicle that meet with Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regs 2010 & the Code of Practice which are the guidelines which explain the .

Anybody that tells you it's 'legal' to put it back is kidding themselves.  Legislation clearly outlines what is required, especially in this instance of an LK7 seat mod, and if you don't meet those requirements you don't comply.  I have had a rather bombastic rider on the roadside tell me otherwise and fought the ticket.  He was later very upset when the magistrate told him I was correct and increased his fine considerably. 

Speaking with Senior Inspectors from QT about the matter they inform me that the spirit of the legislation for seat mods is based on two principals: 
- That the modification can not be easily undone; & 
- The item modified can not be used for it's normal purpose. 

To this point their prosecution section are happy for authorised modifiers to accept things like bolts placed through foot peg mounts and the nut welded to the bolt, therefore stopping it from being used or easily modified.  I have successfully had a top box mounted to restrict the amount of useable seat back to 500mm and that was certified.  Both of these could have been modified, but not without a bit of work to do it, which meant that I could return it to dual seat ergo if I wanted, or the next owner could do it easily, and this was my argument that was accepted. 

Just a little info for your consideration. 
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2012, 12:25:45 PM »
Excellent post Tack, but only what I would expect from some one who sees both sides.

I like the idea of putting a bolt through the rear peg holes and welding a nut on, its easy to do, and easy to remove later should the needs change. Cutting off the mounts would severely reduce the value of the bike.
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Re: Rear cowling
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2012, 05:01:16 PM »
Hmmmmmm just wondering how much you will have to spend to save $180.00 a year :think1 Me thinks the smuggler setup to the door in Australia is around the $800.00 mark, so thats four and a half years to get your money back???? But even doing it the cheap way out, if their is one, it'll cost you bucks, and maybe you will have to get your mods OK'd. And then when you go to sell the thing, I suppose their are people around that want to get their hands on a ST1300 that can only be registerd as a solo?? Hmmmm just wondering what the experts will give as a trade in