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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2016, 07:14:54 PM »
yes look like they should have a good beam pattern. The phillips one has a different shape to the shadow mask for low beam. I'm not shaw about the color temp of 6300K listed by phillips ,
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The ones I had were 6000k and 3200 lumens.

The X7 PRO LED are 6500k and 4000 lumens. 

The Phillips X-treme Ultinon LED are 6200k and 1000/1250 lumens +/- 15%. Seems a bit dull by comparison.

The cut off pattern will largely depend the reflector in the headlight and any lenses.

As the ST1300 has clear polycarbonate lenses it is all in the reflector.

Curious as to what the Philips price is.

The extra lumens of the X7 PRO LEDs come at the cost of extra heat and bigger heat sinks.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 07:28:05 PM by Gadget »
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2016, 12:37:01 PM »
Okay - on advice from this thread, Gadget and various other OzSTOC legends, I now too am in the LED only group.


Gadget gave me a couple of clearance/marker LEDs from his collection, and I have since mounted some 10W Aux lights on their own independent switch.





I already had the LED spotties mounted and in action....





Now these LED Headlights have just arrived....





so they will be going in just in time for this weekend's FarRide and social gathering at Nambucca Heads.      :thumb
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2016, 12:42:12 PM »
I should have done mine before I had to abort FarRide on Saturday morning due to no headlight (left went a while back, right went at 4am Saturday) :-(
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2016, 03:34:45 PM »
I should have done mine before I had to abort FarRide on Saturday morning due to no headlight (left went a while back, right went at 4am Saturday) :-(
That reminds me to order a spare set of the Osram Night Breakers before one of my current ones fail.

I'm quite happy with HIDs as more than enough light down the road for 100/110 speeds plus the spread of the Eurobeam ones I have gives ample coverage on the sides of the road. So No LEDs for me yet.

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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2016, 06:42:00 PM »
Awesome stuff Diesel :hatwave
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2016, 08:45:38 PM »
Might need to have a "light off" at Nambucca  :grin
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2016, 08:51:05 PM »
Hmmm... getting good at this tupperware removal crap. Started the install at 6.00pm - was washing my hands after finishing at 8.00pm after removing both sides of the plastic.      :rockon   Happy with that!


Impressions are as follows:


1. JEEPERS they are BRIGHT!
2. See #1.
3. I am concerned the line of low beam demarcation isn't well enough defined and may get some oncoming drivers flashing me at night - will wait and see....
4. See #1.
5. It is funny to turn on the ignition and hear fans turn on that cool the LED.
6. It is nice to know how few amps I am drawing from the STs usually pathetic battery now - considering the bang I get from my amperage buck.
7. When I flick to high beam, I cannot notice too much difference on the road. The trees light up, but the road light is only marginally more intense. I think it has to do with the low beam LED staying on when high beam is selected.
8. I have used up 1.73654 mins of the LEDs 50,000 hour life span. Should I start to conserve?


Here are some pics.....




Those are normal 'bright white' fluoros in the reflection on the windscreen...   :eek


A side by side comparo of my old +100 halogens (L) to these bad boys (R)...





Anyways - very happy with the result - I took a lot of time making sure they seated properly in the H4 coupling after snipping the tabs off.


I'd also like to acknowledge our mate Saaz here who originally sparked my interest in these LEDs - in fact he told me to have a closer look at the sames ones installed in his Triumph, and as I lent in close to look at it - the rotten bugger turned them on full!     :crackup
This was at Gadget's house - I couldn't see for properly for 10 minutes!


I was hooked!


Thanks for reading.


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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2016, 09:57:55 PM »
Brilliant work mate, they look awesome :thumbsup
Where did you strap the little silver boxes?
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2016, 10:13:57 PM »
Wonderful. I loved mine. Only had 2 drivers flash me in over 5,000 km.
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2016, 10:22:50 PM »


Where did you strap the little silver boxes?


I strapped them to a minor fairing spar which sits behind the speaker box behind the dash board. Saaz velcroed his out of the way - they are small enough to be easily tucked or strapped in many places.


Just make sure you get full movement of your forks and steering head once mounted.     ;-*
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2016, 09:56:21 AM »
Looks like Phillips now makes a H4 LED globe
http://www.philips.com.au/c-p/12953BWX2/x-treme-ultinon-led-led-car-lamp/overview
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got a price on these at $409  :eek  a pair  :o
 
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2016, 09:03:02 PM »
Looks like Phillips now makes a H4 LED globe
http://www.philips.com.au/c-p/12953BWX2/x-treme-ultinon-led-led-car-lamp/overview
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got a price on these at $409  :eek  a pair  :o

At that price I would expect a perfect low beam cutoff line and a very long life.
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2016, 06:44:07 PM »
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2016, 01:46:50 PM »
I just heard this......


(don't know how true it is though - so pls check) alans1100!      :rockon



These DRLs or Aux lights should be referred to as "CONSPICUITY LIGHTS" around  :cop  as calling them fog lights, aux lights, DRLs puts them into a different bracket of lighting in terms of legislation of use.


E.g. - Calling them fog lights means you can get fined for using them when it is not foggy - likewise driving spotlights cannot be used in urban areas - BUT.................
CONSPICUITY LIGHTS on motorcycles are allowed to be left on all the time in all manner of environments and driving conditions.     ;-*


This needs confirming - but sounds neato!     :rockon
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2016, 02:49:38 PM »
I just heard this......


(don't know how true it is though - so pls check) alans1100!      :rockon

Never heard of this one though. The fog light law has been around for just about forever. The DRLs being required to be off when Headlights are on is an ADR requirement for cars but says nothing about bikes though the definition of a vehicle includes bikes.

I sent an email to the SA vehicle standards department to see what they say. In SA we can fit up to four extra lights but they must only work on high beam. I used your photo to show where they are located and that they are used as Conspicuity lights to assist in making a bike more visible.
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2016, 02:52:12 PM »
Our FarRider friend Frans got booked in SA for having too many marker-type lights on his Wing.      :fp
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« Reply #91 on: February 17, 2016, 06:41:22 PM »
It was suggested to me if questioned that my wing was a 'show bike' or 'custom' and not to refer to the lights as fog,spot or day lights.
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2016, 02:10:58 PM »
I sent an email to the SA vehicle standards department to see what they say. In SA we can fit up to four extra lights but they must only work on high beam. I used your photo to show where they are located and that they are used as Conspicuity lights to assist in making a bike more visible.


Reply from our Vehicle Standards; This is in SA so other states would be the same under ADRs

Alan,

Regarding the LED you have mounted on the front forks of your bike the following is advised.

Under the Road Traffic Act(ADRs) and the Australian Design Rules those light fall into the category of driving lights and they must be wired so they can only operate when high beam is selected. 

There is no category of Conspicuity Lights in the relevant ADR for your bike and previously these light where hard wired headlamps which your bike would have, so they would come under the requirements for a driving lamp.

If you have any other questions please let me know.

 
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2016, 02:43:33 PM »
Thanks Alan - well done.

I found this in the QLD ADRs regarding DRLs:
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2016, 03:34:08 PM »
Thanks Alan - well done.

I found this in the QLD ADRs regarding DRLs:

Paragraph 5 could imply that if a motorcycle's headlight was modulating of a day time then those lights each side of the forks could be used but not at night.
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #95 on: February 20, 2016, 07:47:40 AM »
 :hijacked sorry but I will claim that I did not start this your hounour.

Ok, just to add to the  conspicuity lights debate:

Not sure how current this is however here goes;

Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 19/01 – Installation of Lighting and Light-Signalling Devices on L-Group Vehicles) 2007

1.                                          SCOPE

This vehicle standard prescribes requirements for the number and mode of installation of lighting and light-signalling devices on L-group vehicles.

2.                                          APPLICABILITY AND IMPLEMENTATION

2.1.                                    This vehicle standard applies to the design and construction of vehicles as set out in the table below.

2.2.                                    These vehicles must have their lighting and light-signalling devices installed to comply with the relevant requirements of this vehicle standard or with an acceptable prior rule as set out hereunder.

2.3.                                    Where the fitment of a lamp is indicated as optional, this means that it is not mandatory to fit the lamp but, if fitted, the lamp(s) are required to comply.

2.4.                                    Vehicles certified to any of the “Acceptable Prior Rules”, as shown below in the applicability table for a particular vehicle category, are deemed to comply with this rule.

2.5.                                    Vehicles certified to ADR 67/... need not comply with this rule.

 

Applicability Table  (there are a number of other vehicles listed in the ADR should you wish to research it)
Motor cycle LC L3 1 Jan 1997

8.9.                                    CONSPICUITY LAMPS

8.9.1.                              Number Two to ADR 45/...

8.9.2.                              Arrangement No special requirement.

8.9.3.                              Position

8.9.3.1.                        In width: they shall be positioned equidistant from the median longitudinal plane of the vehicle.

8.9.3.2.                        In height: not less than 250 mm and not more than 1,200 mm above the ground.

8.9.3.3.                        In length: at the front of the vehicle. This requirement shall be deemed to be satisfied if the light emitted can not be seen by the driver either directly or indirectly through the rear vision mirror and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle.

8.9.4.                              Geometric visibility Horizontal angle: from 80° inwards to 80° outwards. Vertical angle: 15° above and below the horizontal.

8.9.5.                              Orientation Forward. The lamps may move with the steering.

8.9.6.                              May be “grouped” with other front lamps.

8.9.7.                              May be “combined” with any other front lamps.

8.9.8.                              May be “reciprocally incorporated” with other front lamps other than direction indicator lamps.

8.9.9.                              Electrical Connections

8.9.9.1.                        The conspicuity lamps shall be lighted each time the engine is started but may be extinguished whenever a passing lamp or driving lamp to Appendix A of this rule is lighted.

8.9.9.2.                        The conspicuity lamps need not be lighted whenever the engine is not operating or when the device which controls the starting and stopping of the engine is in the off position.

8.9.10.                          Tell-tale No requirement.

8.9.11.                          Alternative requirements A single or twin passing lamp(s) to paragraph 6.2. of Appendix A shall be deemed to meet the requirements for conspicuity lamps provided that the passing lamp(s) meets the requirements of Clause 8.9.9.

8.9.12.                          Other Requirements None.


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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2016, 11:53:00 AM »
Thanks TJ, I just sent another email to our vehicle standards quoting the relevant text from ADR 19/01 and 45/01. This is commonwealth law but does that trump state laws as far as vehicle stands go???

But looking at a 1996 1500 wing picture on bike sales one would think we are ok



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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #97 on: February 24, 2016, 01:10:20 PM »
Thanks TJ, I just sent another email to our vehicle standards quoting the relevant text from ADR 19/01 and 45/01. This is commonwealth law but does that trump state laws as far as vehicle stands go???

But looking at a 1996 1500 wing picture on bike sales one would think we are ok

Reply from our SA vehicle standards.

Hi Alan,

That is correct ADR 19/01 calls up conspicuity lamps and applies to vehicles that were built between 3/1992 and 1/1997 where it was replaced by ADR19/02, although the date published for ADR 19/01 is incorrect it should be 3/92 not 1/97.

So if the bike was built between these dates and Conspicuity Lamps are fitted  they must,

·         Be certified to ADR 45/00 and have verification to show this.

·         Have a output of between 600 and 1200cd

·         Be hard wired so they automatically switch on when the bike is running.

 

Bikes built after 1/1997 have to comply with ADR19/02 which do not specify Conspicuity Lights so the  lights would then be classified as Driving Lights and different requirements apply, as per the previous e-mail.

As the bike in the photo is  built after 1997 and complies with ADR19/02 not ADR 19/01 I did not previous mention the requirements for Conspicuity Lamps as they were not applicable to this bike.

If you are talking bikes generally and including pre 1997 bikes then there is a requirement for vehicle built to ADR 19/01 to have Conspicuity Lamps as it is a mandatory requirement, not a optional one, although generally the headlamps were used by manufacturers to meet this requirement.

 

If you have any other questions please let me know.

 

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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #98 on: February 24, 2016, 03:09:42 PM »
I just heard this......


(don't know how true it is though - so pls check) alans1100!      :rockon



These DRLs or Aux lights should be referred to as "CONSPICUITY LIGHTS" around  :cop  as calling them fog lights, aux lights, DRLs puts them into a different bracket of lighting in terms of legislation of use.


E.g. - Calling them fog lights means you can get fined for using them when it is not foggy - likewise driving spotlights cannot be used in urban areas - BUT.................
CONSPICUITY LIGHTS on motorcycles are allowed to be left on all the time in all manner of environments and driving conditions.     ;-*


This needs confirming - but sounds neato!     :rockon


Those little lights if they are under 25watts are legal  :like :thumb NOT ILLEGAL for daylight or night so NO :cop :law
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Re: LED H4 hi/lo bulbs
« Reply #99 on: February 24, 2016, 03:32:48 PM »
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