Author Topic: Cannot fix ST1300... (Read 33994 times)

Diesel · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2013, 01:56:54 PM »

A great argument there mate, and I can only think that engineers who design bikes that will be used as Police Specials would HAVE to build a bit of fat into the amperage equation to run all that extra

gear. (STs and STPs run the same alt).

If you are correct (and I wouldn't doubt it)... does this mean I need to look at LEDs for extra lighting to drop, say, an extra couple of hundred of watts drawage?

Am I the ONLY one to abuse the amp meter on a ST?

All input is appreciated.

Brock · « **Reply #26 on:** June 27, 2013, 02:57:23 PM »

Diesels 570 watts would be the max extra load, if everything was on at once. Battery recharge current would drop to next to nothing from maybe 10amps in a few minutes ( many years of battery maintenance talking here), in fact, probably before he got out the drive way.

Whizz · « **Reply #27 on:** June 27, 2013, 03:15:25 PM »

As I said, I am equally sure that there is a strong possibility that the Alternator simply stuck its head between its legs and kissed it bum goodbye. Which ever way it happened is actually quite irrelevant, the fact is that it died, hopefully the replacement will last a long time.

saaz · « **Reply #28 on:** June 27, 2013, 03:22:13 PM »

That load is not that unusual. Lionel's ST11 has run 2 x 100w halogen spots plus HID hi/los, cruise, comms and other electrical stuff for years.

On my ST11 I run 2 x 70W HIDs, 2 x 55W HID spots, cruise, comms etc. At idle with all on the bike still runs at 14v. The ST13 probably has a bit bigger alternator to deal with the extra requirements of EFI.

It will be interesting to see what the problem is, as it will indicate what might have caused it. The halogens are a bit wasteful of power, so LEDs might perform the same role to fill the gap before the HIDs kick in.

I would also look into any wiring issues, as sometimes it is not the alternator at fault but the connections into the charging system having resistance.

If all else fails, the Triumph Trophy has a 940w alternator

Gatey · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2013, 03:50:39 PM »

I agree with Brock and Ive had the Whizz situation too.

Built rally cars for a few years and had one alt give up in all that time. Mountain of old clunker lights, nav gear, pumps, and so on. One alt lost the plot out of the blue. swapped it and never had the same thing happen ever again on any of ten or so cars.

To be honest Diesel if the light was the cause then Ox or Franz or TJ or others would have found this ages ago.

Now who's got a hammer

saaz · « **Reply #30 on:** June 27, 2013, 04:16:34 PM »

Yea, I was going to mention that the riders mentioned have way more serious lights than Diesel. Ox has had the battery go flat while riding due to excessive load, and no sign of alternator failure.

You used up a bit of your luck meeting Mrs Diesel

tj189 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 27, 2013, 05:47:20 PM »

I am not a technical wizard by any means, I did the maths as best as I can and have a number of extra lights on the bike plus some extra bits and pieces that need power as well. I have used the experience of other LDRiders when it comes to setting my bike up. I have had one issue on the st1100 regarding HID lights which kept blowing a fuse as the power required at startup was to much. I replaced one set of HID with the Clearwater led's. I still get the same lighting quality out front. I now have the same setup on the st1300 and all is good.

my old setup was hid headlights plus two sets of hid spotties and one set of led running lights.
the setup now is hid headlights, one set of spot beam hid, one set of led spotties and one set of led running lights ( plus all my other bits)
all is still good, touch wooden.
I have not heard of the alt burning out being used in this way????? I would suggest considering the use of led in some way

ST2UP · « **Reply #32 on:** June 27, 2013, 07:19:17 PM »

Great info Gents......may I throw cable gauge, connectors and earths into the equation with the auxiliary lighting......slightly dodgy connection, heat + moisture = electrolysis in a connector,then voltage drop and Alternator output increase...... on a light that appears to be working just fine on the surface.

Just say'in

Come on STella "breath, breath"

Malcolm6112 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 27, 2013, 07:40:51 PM »

With my STead, I had 35W HID headlights, 35W HID spots and a pair of 75W Lightforce lights.
With all that I was sailing close to the wind as to speak with usable power.
With revs and the HID's the charge was 13.75V. Add the halogens and that dropped to 12.75V.

The alternator was working too hard.

STeveo · « **Reply #34 on:** June 27, 2013, 08:38:09 PM »

Come on STella "breath, breath"

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She might need some hands on, or an injection of volt(aren).

Pocket STocker · « **Reply #35 on:** June 27, 2013, 10:40:17 PM »

Quote from: STeveo on June 27, 2013, 08:38:09 PM

Come on STella "breath, breath"

She might need some hands on, or an injection of volt(aren).
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Hope you get the bike sorted for Ebor, it's only me with my BB who turns up to a Overnight RTE in the car

Tackleberry · « **Reply #36 on:** July 05, 2013, 12:43:43 PM »

Diesel I run 35w HID Hi/Lo, 35w HID Spots, 50w Halogen spots, Cruise, Starcom1, GPS, UHF, etc on my ST1100 and do what you do regularly. My bike still charges at 13.8v at idle with a 40amp.

The head Mechanic at my local stealer tried to tell me the same thing until he met the tech that advised me on the set up of accessories and was categorically proven wrong, unless he could produce old ineffective wiring which could cause localised problems. He now doesn't comment on my set up unless it interferes with his mechanics. I would send all of your farkles and ratings to a smart techie type boffin (you may even find one on the forum

) and get him to do a full rating for you to ease your mind. You would be surprised how much you have left in the ratings to run the general bike operations and still have a little left over to ensure you aren't frying the alternator.

Point of interest: This is why QPS went away from the ST after Dave Sheen was killed in Brisbane on a Code Job (Lights & Sirens) because the standard system couldn't handle police extras and also give us ABS power. During the investigation it was shown that ABS braking could have stopped him in time to save his life. The exact same reason that the BMTroubleU's & FJR1300's runs a dual battery system while the ST1300 still only has a single unit.

tj189 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 05, 2013, 05:09:25 PM »

Here is a link that may help in working out what you have left after the requirements of the bike

http://stwiki.notonthe.net/twiki/bin/view/ST13/ElectricalReference

Brock · « **Reply #38 on:** July 05, 2013, 05:35:48 PM »

Not a bad spread sheet, tho it can be modified for Oz a bit. We dont have position lights, and 42Watts for an indicator??? I dont think so, 42 watts for left or right maybe, but as its not on all the time (they arent are they??) they could be left out of the calculations. Also drop out brake lights, we dont ride with those on continuously..

I also dont think we ride with the fans on all the time, unless in slow traffic, so in that case high beams wont be in use

I will have a bit of a look later...

After quick look and adjustments, I see about 40 A available for use (at full load) more likely 30ish in reality, as alternator gets hot over time, and ability to supply will drop.

tj189 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2013, 06:09:53 PM »

Very glad you had a quick look, I started to get a bit concerned when I worked mine out

but looking at your early estimate I still have a few amps left over

the two small lights in the headlight of the 1300, do they suggest that they are the position lights?

Skip · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2013, 06:22:39 PM »

Make sure you retain the fried alternator so one of our esteemed technical officers can evaluate the offending piece of equipment. Put the speculation to bed once and for all.
Cheers.
Skip.

P.S. Am i the only operator who can claim to own a stock standard showroom version of the mighty 1300 ? i.e. farkle free.

StinkyPete · « **Reply #41 on:** July 05, 2013, 06:27:43 PM »

Quote from: tj189 on July 05, 2013, 06:09:53 PM

the two small lights in the headlight of the 1300, do they suggest that they are the position lights?

Yes, these are the "Position Lights". See page 119 of the ST1300 Owners Manual.

Biggles · « **Reply #42 on:** July 05, 2013, 06:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Skip on July 05, 2013, 06:22:39 PM

P.S. Am i the only operator who can claim to own a stock standard showroom version of the mighty 1300 ? i.e. farkle free.

Why would anyone admit to that!!??

STill dreaming · « **Reply #43 on:** July 05, 2013, 06:52:35 PM »

I have only two points,one at work (farming,earthmoving)we no longer rewire,repair alternators,starter motors from experience we get less than half the original life out of them.HID'S have been fazed out as we have had a lot of trouble with the ballast's,now using "white pointer"LED's so far proving effective.hope you get to the bottom of the issue.Noel

Skip · « **Reply #44 on:** July 05, 2013, 07:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Biggles on July 05, 2013, 06:29:03 PM

Quote from: Skip on July 05, 2013, 06:22:39 PM
P.S. Am i the only operator who can claim to own a stock standard showroom version of the mighty 1300 ? i.e. farkle free.

Why would anyone admit to that!!??

Perfectly good bike without them ? ( Except for that damn seat. )

TouriSTs · « **Reply #45 on:** July 06, 2013, 05:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Diesel on June 27, 2013, 08:02:24 AM

When the mech saw the lights, he did this.... and suggested accelerated wear. BUT..... The alternator is rated at 740 watts, and even with all my circuits, I'd be pulling only about half of that (i.e. HALF its factory rating) - so not sure if I totally agree. Brock, Whizz or others may be able to shed some HID on this for us.

Diesel, very sorry to hear about your woes. I am only very new to ST1300s and not technical, but I am interested in the source of your information that the alternator is 740 watts.

The specifications at this location suggest otherwise at 480W for an ST1300A ( http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Sports_Touring/ST1300A ). I hope I have read this correctly!

Would they change alternators for different year models, or did you get yours upgraded? Something not making sense to me.

Cheers,

Marty

tj189 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 06, 2013, 07:20:47 PM »

from memory the 740W was when the bike was at 5k rpm

Sicman · « **Reply #47 on:** July 06, 2013, 09:38:51 PM »

So is it fixed yet?

Diesel · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2013, 08:45:30 PM »

Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 09:38:51 PM

So is it fixed yet?

Quote from: saaz on July 11, 2013, 05:32:35 PM

Anyone seen a Red ST called STella on the road lately.....

Sadly - she is still in Honda Hospital waiting for my rebuilt alternator to resurface. I should be picking the alt up on Friday, and delivering it back to Honda Sat/Mon to pick her up Tues/Wed, to put all her clothes back on Thu/Fri.

As you can see, it will be a 'skin of my teeth' situation as o whether I can make it to Bilo - so I'll have to drop my attendance status down to 'possibly'.

Will update here further as events come to pass.

Cheers, Diesel

Sabie · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2013, 09:01:23 PM »

Quote from: Diesel on July 11, 2013, 08:45:30 PM

Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2013, 09:38:51 PM
So is it fixed yet?

Quote from: saaz on July 11, 2013, 05:32:35 PM
Anyone seen a Red ST called STella on the road lately.....

Sadly - she is still in Honda Hospital waiting for my rebuilt alternator to resurface. I should be picking the alt up on Friday, and delivering it back to Honda Sat/Mon to pick her up Tues/Wed, to put all her clothes back on Thu/Fri.

As you can see, it will be a 'skin of my teeth' situation as o whether I can make it to Bilo - so I'll have to drop my attendance status down to 'possibly'.

Will update here further as events come to pass.

Cheers, Diesel

Just hire a scooter Diesel.... If its not ready..

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