Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs

[Gadget]

There is no wasted time charging.

I plug in, walk away, go and eat, drink, toilet, unplug, drive away.

My bladder is only good for 2 to 3 hours, so that's when we stop.

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[West Aussie Glen]

From the Electric Vehicles for Australia FAcebook Group:-
Had a great trip up to Uluru over the New Year. This was to test a car with 163,000 kms on it on a long road trip in 43+ degree heat for the most part of the trip. Car has a range of 340 kms these days. As more EVs hit the secondhand market, hopefully this shows that an older EV with a lot of kms on it can still go the distance.
Car is a S 75 with original battery pack.
Day 1 covered 1,500 kms from Sydney to Adelaide (Supercharger Network)
Day 2 was to Coober Pedy (charging at the brilliant RAA chargers at Port Augusta and Pimba, then Glendambo)
Day 3 To Uluru (charging at Marla, Kulgera and Ghan)
3,151 kms on the way out
On the way back
Day 1 to Coober Pedy (charging at Ghan, Kulgera and Marla)
Day 2 to Mildura (charging at Pimba, Port Augusta, Clare and Morgan)
Day 3 back to Sydney (charging at Hay then Superchargers from Wagga home).
2,960 kms on the way back.
The RAA chargers at Port Augusta and Pimba were fantastic both ways. Marla desperately needs an upgrade from the 7kw charger there. It would've reduced travel time by 2 hours.
Thank you to AEVA for the chargers at Glandambo and Kulgera! Those were fantastic. Skipped the Glandambo one on the way home by driving a little more efficiently.
The worst charging experience has to be Hay. Only 1 charger there and only 50kw is poor compared to the awesome RAA chargers along the way.
Edit: adding cost. Note I have free Supercharging for Life on this car so the numbers from Sydney to Adelaide or Wagga to Sydney are not indicative of the usual EV expected cost.
Sydney to Adelaide was free.
Adelaide to Uluru:
Adelaide Free with overnight accommodation
Port Augusta $22.24
Pimba $38.90
Glendambo $10
Coober Pedy Free with overnight accommodation
Marla Free RAA charger
Kulgera $10
Erldunda Free
Uluru Free
Uluru to Hay:
Uluru Free
Erldunda Free
Kulgera $10
Marla Free
Coober Pedy Free with overnight accommodation
Pimba $28.40
Port Augusta $25.95
Clare Free
Morgan $18.90
Mildura Free with overnight accommodation
Hay $14.47
Total: $178.86
Then free on the Supercharger network on the way home from Wagga.

[cravenhaven]

So adding in the additional costs most people would have to pay for the "free" supercharger network.
Assuming 17KwH/100km and $0.70/KwH
Sydney to Adelaide - 17*15*0.7 = $179
Wagga to Sydney - 17*4.6*.7 = $55

[ruSTynutz]

CHICAGO TO NEW YORK IN A TESLA....
The results may surprise you...or perhaps not!   

https://youtu.be/WI24gjDr8TI?si=NAV4zzUHJBfFEEYI

[ruSTynutz]

Electric-car charging network Evie increases prices by up to 40 per cent

https://www.drive.com.au/news/evie-hikes-prices-up-to-40-per-cent/

Recharging an electric vehicle now costs more than petrol...

https://youtu.be/OsRrkXiUtV4?si=Gmk7Yf1xPXL1vY9F

[LindsayGT]

This guy must be incredibly naive!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994

I actually know him. He’s a good mate of my son. He’s very intelligent.

[ruSTynutz]

Good luck to them all...

It will be interesting to see how that trailer tows with that extra overhang... 

[Shiney]

 

[ruSTynutz]

It could be worse...at least here in Oz, EV owners probably won't have to deal with this issue: 

https://youtu.be/YKbAnOYUigo?si=q7-4DLIzcwqAkMEI

[ruSTynutz]

But...they may have to deal with this:

http://tinyurl.com/az838r

[ruSTynutz]

900km (560 mile) electric v petrol challenge: Same cars, same driving, which was cheaper?

http://tinyurl.com/yr77vafh

You can road trip in an electric car... but it's bloody hard

http://tinyurl.com/49bht6zt

[ruSTynutz]

NEW ZEALAND POLITICS

EVs & plug-in hybrids to pay road user charges from 1 April...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/506844/evs-plug-in-hybrids-to-pay-road-user-charges-from-1-april

Got to wonder how long before the Australian Government introduces something similar here in Oz.
Fair enough too, I reckon, as EV owners have been getting a free ride so far when it comes to paying their fair share for road usage & maintenance. 
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[Gadget]

So much anti EV... why?

You don't have to buy one.

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[Gadget]

This guy must be incredibly naive!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994

I actually know him. He’s a good mate of my son. He’s very intelligent.

There is a couple from Perth, 'Atto Girl EV Adventures' and 'Gandalf', who left Perth on boxing day 2023, for a clockwise trip around the paddock, towing a modified pop-top caravan.

The caravan has solar panels, inverter, charger, etc.

Last I heard, they were at Kalgoorlie, close to home.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089625813396&mibextid=ZbWKwL

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[ruSTynutz]

So much anti EV... why?

You don't have to buy one.

Not so much anti EV, just helping to educate prospective owners on the downsides of EV ownership!

As for buying one...if Sue & I buy a new car in the foreseeable future it certainly won't be an EV for the following reasons...

Price - paying probably an extra $20,000 over the top of an equivalent ICE vehicle would definitely be out of the question.
Driving Range - with my current car offering around twice the range of an EV why would I want to go for something with way less? I suffer enough range anxiety with my ST1300 at times...lol.
Charging Costs - While people with EVs skite about being able to charge their EV at home for free it's not actually free if you've had to spend probably 20 grand installing solar panels and a battery just so you can do it.
Also, with recent soaring charging costs there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and what it would cost for fuel these days.
Lost time while charging an EV - When I do a road trip I often just want to get to where I'm going in the quickest possible time with the bare minimum of stops and having to possibly wait for access to a charger and the time spent charging means I won't be able to travel as far in a day as I would in my diesel.
Road Tax - With currently no road tax on EVs it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces one which will obviously decrease any advantage an EV MAY have over a ICE vehicle.
Towing - I like to tow a trailer at times and yes, I know I could do that with an EV but that greatly reduces its traveling range, something that is way less of an issue with an ICE vehicle.
Heating & Cooling - Using either in an EV is going to reduce driving range, using either in my diesel makes basically no difference to its fuel consumption.
Cheers 

[Gadget]

As you've never owned own, never driven one, never lived with one, and never intend to own one, your 'education' source is solely from oil industry propaganda which you are willingly consuming, because it matches your confirmation bias.

Education requires balance. Not propaganda.

Road Tax doesn't exist. It was overturned in the High Court. People are getting refunds, with interest.

Running costs are so much cheaper. $109 maintenance for one 40,000 km travelled. Mostly charged for free, and those two combined can compensate for the higher purchase price really quickly.

Because of renewables, Energy is getting so cheap AGL, Origin, OVO, and others, are offering EV plans which include 0.08c/kWh during the day from 10:00am to 2:00 pm and after midnight until 4 or 6 am.

2nd hand EVs start from around$15,000

A new GWM Ora in Qld can be bought from $37,470, and then is eligible for a $6,000 rebate from the State Government.

Hearing and cooling with a heart pump is very cheap on energy. A Tesla could run the AC in the show for over 7 days and still drive off. An ICE would reboot the tank on less than 24 hours.

But go ahead with your obsessive tilting against EVs, and I'll keep enjoying mine whilst saving loads of money.

You can keep throwing your money at the House of Saud from Saudi Arabia.

[ruSTynutz]

Road Tax doesn't exist. It was overturned in the High Court. People are getting refunds, with interest.

I never said it did!
But, as we get more and more EVs on the road and the fuel excise stream gets less and less do you honestly believe some kind of "road tax" won't be imposed on EVs?
Someone has to pay for our roads and currently EV owners are getting a free ride...

Running costs are so much cheaper.

Maybe so but if you factor in the cost of comprehensive insurance as part of "running costs" which can be double the price (or more) of a comparable sized ICE vehicle things don't look quite so good.

2nd hand EVs start from around$15,000

That's yet another reason I'm not an EV fanboy, EVs don't hold their value, depreciation is quite a bit more than an ICE vehicle...

You can keep throwing your money at the House of Saud from Saudi Arabia.

I'm happy to as I rather enjoy riding my ST1300 and driving my little diesel... 

Cheers 




Oh, nearly forgot this one:

As you've never owned own, never driven one, never lived with one, and never intend to own one, your 'education' source is solely from oil industry propaganda which you are willingly consuming, because it matches your confirmation bias.

Not quite true, I owned a Tesla EV for a number of years... 

[Gadget]

Running costs are so much cheaper.

Maybe so but if you factor in the cost of comprehensive insurance as part of "running costs" which can be double the price (or more) of a comparable sized ICE vehicle things don't look quite so good.

My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.

The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.

Another myth busted.

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[ruSTynutz]

My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.

The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.

Hardly a fair comparison comparing a 2022 year vehicle against a 5 year older vehicle...

Another myth busted.

Not a myth as far as I'm concerned as I got quotes through AAMI car insurance comparing a 2023 Tesla Y against a 2023 Kia Sportage...

Tesla Model Y Dual Motor     Kia Sportage GT-Line Diesel
 $1,503.81 per year            $726.51 per year
Excess: $1,475                   Excess: $900                   
                                       

[Gadget]

My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.

The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.

Hardly a fair comparison comparing a 2022 year vehicle against a 5 year older vehicle...

Another myth busted.

Not a myth as far as I'm concerned as I got quotes through AAMI car insurance comparing a 2023 Tesla Y against a 2023 Kia Sportage...

Tesla Model Y Dual Motor     Kia Sportage GT-Line Diesel
 $1,503.81 per year            $726.51 per year
Excess: $1,475                   Excess: $900                   
                                       

My Y, the younger car, is actually cheaper to insure than the older, less expensive car....

Both are currently owned and insured.

My real insurance premiums vs subjective quotes, which can be rigged due to changed assumptions, $0 excess vs. $1,200 excess, postcodes, garaging, previous claims, etc

You don't like EVs, simple, don't effin' buy one.

Please stop pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have no experience or real knowledge.

Haranguing owners of EVs and treating them like fools for having bought an EV doesn't make you look clever. It his makes you look like an obsessive (possibly financially vested interest) like an oil worker or shareholder.

Either that, or a supplicant of the Faux News/Sky After Dark (SAD) propaganda network, who definitely are shareholders protecting their vested interests.

I'll discuss this no further, as you appear to be entrenched in the anti EV cult, despite others' lived experiences which are contrary to your limited preconceived misconceptions.

It appears more than the nuts are rusty.

Foxtrot, foxtrot, sierra.

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[ruSTynutz]

No need to get personal, Gary!

[ruSTynutz]

So much anti EV... why?

You don't have to buy one.

Not so much anti EV, just helping to educate prospective owners on the downsides of EV ownership!

As for buying one...if Sue & I buy a new car in the foreseeable future it certainly won't be an EV for the following reasons...

Price - paying probably an extra $20,000 over the top of an equivalent ICE vehicle would definitely be out of the question.
Driving Range - with my current car offering around twice the range of an EV why would I want to go for something with way less? I suffer enough range anxiety with my ST1300 at times...lol.
Charging Costs - While people with EVs skite about being able to charge their EV at home for free it's not actually free if you've had to spend probably 20 grand installing solar panels and a battery just so you can do it.
Also, with recent soaring charging costs there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and what it would cost for fuel these days.
Lost time while charging an EV - When I do a road trip I often just want to get to where I'm going in the quickest possible time with the bare minimum of stops and having to possibly wait for access to a charger and the time spent charging means I won't be able to travel as far in a day as I would in my diesel.
Road Tax - With currently no road tax on EVs it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces one which will obviously decrease any advantage an EV MAY have over a ICE vehicle.
Towing - I like to tow a trailer at times and yes, I know I could do that with an EV but that greatly reduces its traveling range, something that is way less of an issue with an ICE vehicle.
Heating & Cooling - Using either in an EV is going to reduce driving range, using either in my diesel makes basically no difference to its fuel consumption.
Cheers 

Just an add-on as to why I wouldn't buy an EV...

Replacement Battery Cost - The cost of replacing the battery in an EV can cost you an arm & a leg...
I'm sure anyone with the slightest interest in EVs has heard about the Canadian Hyundai Ioniq 5 owner being charged 60,000 Canadian dollars to have his EV battery replaced?
That's not a misprint...That works out to be something like $68,000 Aussie dollars!
Since then another Ioniq 5 owner has come out and confirmed the replacement cost is indeed C$60,000...

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/yikes-the-60000-hyundai-ioniq-5-battery-replacement-saga-continues-226590.html

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ev-battery-icbc-writeoff

[ruSTynutz]

The following video is quite interesting, especially coming from someone who has obviously not been against EVs in the past...

I'm back in a diesel after 4yrs running both EV & PHEV. What needs to change to get me to go back?

https://youtu.be/nZysvgm2_Aw?si=hsaQtM17fAPeFGi4

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[ruSTynutz]

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