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« on: October 11, 2011, 12:02:21 AM »
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 09:48:38 AM »
Looks good until you look at the $220 postal fee, Thats a lot of Repco filters
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 02:05:01 PM »
Nah  that must be a mistake for such a small item its just not right. Cant be

Regardless of shipping it would be a good thing.
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 02:42:44 PM »
Just done a quick calculation, based on a similar filter for the 1100. At $300 landed, that would buy about 40 ROF135 filters, so thats approx 400000Ks before break even point is reached ( using 10000Ks as an oil/filter change point), thats (for me ) 16 yrs of riding. Not sure if I will be still able to hold the 1100 up at 74yrs, or if it will be still going or able to get parts for..

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 06:17:01 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 06:22:06 PM »
I have noticed a few U.S. sellers putting very high delivery costs onto the eBay items. Sometimes that's where they make their money (although that item was excessively high).

You see it with K&N air filters. some have a cheaper filter price but high delivery cost. There is one seller on eBayUK at the moment with a good filter price and delivery cost!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200658389810?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1060wt_1163
$80 delivered!

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 08:04:38 PM »
If you do a search on those stainless mesh filters you will find that they don't filter out as fine a particles as a paper element filter.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 08:11:19 PM »
I have bought 10 OEM filters from the states @$8.49 approx. Snail freight was $22.00. I got them a bit cheaper when the Aussie dollar was higher.
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2011, 08:02:37 AM »
REPCO ROF135 Filters

Just looked at their cross reference for their own part.

This suites Mazda 121 1997 to 2002, and Mazda 2 2002 to 2007, plus Ford Festiva 1998 to 2001

That may help for other sources of filters too. Thanks to Brock for finding that one. The RYCO cross from the Repco is a Z436 ($10.46 at Supercheap).

I am going to pick up a Repco one today, wanting to drop my oil again, so will swap out the Honda filter and may try some Deisel oil in the old girl. Penrite HPR 15 (15 - 50) Semi Synthetic for $31 (5 Litres)

I will check to ensure it does not have any friction addatives first, but I should be clear with a deisel oil, shouldn't I?

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2011, 09:20:51 AM »
Mark, should be fine with the 15W-50, as with most of the 15W-40s which are very common. Any oil above a 30 weight is unlikley to have any friction modifiers (but look out as magnatec is not supposed to be good in a wet clutch bike due to that molecular stuff).  Make sure the oil is rated for American diesels, and not Japanese ones. The ash content in the Japanese diesel oils is way too high.  One way to make sure is to see if the oil has an Allison rating, as that is for use in trasmissions with wet clutches
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2011, 09:39:50 AM »
Mark, should be fine with the 15W-50, as with most of the 15W-40s which are very common. One way to make sure is to see if the oil has an Allison rating, as that is for use in trasmissions with wet clutches


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Thanks for that info

Went to the Penrite site and in the spec sheet for this Diesel engine oil it actually states:
"May be used in four stroke motorcycles including those that have wet clutches. Can be used in petrol engines as a mixed fleet oil" ash mass content is 1.22%
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/HPR%20DIESEL%2015%20AUGUST%202010.pdf

I was just interested in trying a diesel engine oil, there is quite a lot of chat about giving smoother gear changes, and finding neutral easier. If there is any truth in it, the base oil used is better quality for Diesel stock, than for normal engine oil?

The HP4 Honda oil I put in (first oil change in two years for the bike, after the guy I bought it from had it stood in the garage for two years), I have found that the High Performance oil that Honda shop recommended, it appears to change as the bike gets hot (within 10 minutes of driving), then the gears feel "sticky", the oil appeared OK when I first put it in, but seems to have de graded very quickly, or it could be the weather warming up here in WA now?

The HP4 is a 10-30 semi synth oil, which the Honda shop says the ST1100 should use.
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2011, 10:00:54 AM »
Mark, diesel oils usually have higher levels of anti wear additives and extra things to neutralise acids and other things that build up in oil over time.  Essentially they are like bike oils should be.  The 10W-30 can be used in the ST1100 but it is only a recent recommendation for late model bikes.
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 06:27:21 PM »
Mark
Also check that your reservoir is full. The sight glass in mine is a bit frosty and my gear changes weren't the best. I checked the reservoir and it was low.. topped it up and gear-change is much improved.
Also, I read today where people have checked the linkage connecting the gear lever with the gearbox and found a severe lack of lubrication in the little ball-joints.
I'll be checking mine before too long.
 

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2011, 07:24:18 PM »
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Also check that your reservoir is full. The sight glass in mine is a bit frosty and my gear changes weren't the best. I checked the reservoir and it was low.. topped it up and gear-change is much improved.

Thanks Rodd

My sight glass is clear as new glass, lucky for me.

Strange story about this one too with me. When I did an oild change (just after I purchased the bike) and used Honda HP4 oil, I also fitted a new Honda oil filter. Well, when I put the new oil in, I kept adding a little at a time (after I had put in about 3 litres, heading to the 3.7 it should use) and kept checking the Oil sight glass. I waited until it was level with the top marker, then ran the bike for about 5 minutes. Checked again after 5 minutes of the bike being off, and the oil was half way between full and low level, so I topped it up a little at a time again until it was just under the top marker.

Used the bike that week for work and play, and after that first week, checked the levels again (after the bike has been in my garage overnight), still OK, just under the top marker.  After another week of driving, and some hot engine days with driving on the Freeway when it is a carpark, and no lane splitting, so I was stop start just like the cars. I looked at my oil level again after an overnight in the garage, and the oil level was about 3 mm over the top oil marker.

My bike is always parked on its centre stand, I don't park up using my side stand apart from when I am getting off. So that is not why the levels are up and down. So I put it down to senile dementia, because unless someone is sneaking into my locked garage overnight and putting free oil in, I don't get what that was about.

There is no clouding or froth in the oil, so it did not gain some coolant. No idea what had happened. I spoke with a friend who is way more bike savvy than me  :phone, and he said it may be possible that one of the oil channels had a blockahge from when the bike spent two years sat idle with the previous owner, and the blockage cleared after the oil change and some hot riding over a couple of days. Then, the oil that was backed up in that drain channel has emptied back to the sump  :crackup. It does not take much to put the oil over the top marker.

I think my friend may have been on magic mushrooms though.  :rofl

Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it??  :eek
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Re: oil filters
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2011, 01:26:33 PM »

Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it??  :eek

Well - If it starts producing a few barrels a day, you could be sittin on a very pretty retirement!       :rofl
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2011, 01:59:21 PM »
I read on the US ST site that they found that if you keep the oil level just below half way on the sight glass there is less vibration!
 

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2011, 03:21:38 PM »

Still, after I emptied a little out, and returned it to below top marker, another couple of weeks of long drives and stop starts, and the levels are exactly the same each day. Maybe the bike was abducted by aliens, and they did some oil experiments on it??  :eek

Well - If it starts producing a few barrels a day, you could be sittin on a very pretty retirement!       :rofl

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 10:33:00 AM »
Mark..........I'd be very careful mentioning any reference to the word "Goose" if I was you..................don't forget "Diesel" IS WATCHING!!


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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2011, 12:44:54 PM »
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Hmmmm....................
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 02:12:24 PM »
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Hmmmm....................

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Re: oil filters
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 04:30:38 PM »
I would not worry about an apparent variation in oil level like that. If it is between half full I just ride and perhaps check it.   :beer
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »
I read on the US ST site that they found that if you keep the oil level just below half way on the sight glass there is less vibration!

May be just in my mind, but I did my oil change with Penrite HPR 15 Diesel oil, and have filled to half way on the oil sight glass.  :thumb

Now been running the bike since Sunday like this, and my gear changes are smooth, the engine "sounds" better, and thought I never thought I had any vibration with my bike engine, since this change and level setting, I know there must have been, as I hardly know the engine is running, can't "feel" it through my hand grips, or hear as much engine noise, over the road noise.  :beer

Not like an enormous change, but very noticeable.

Thanks for all the tips. The Repco filter alone is a decent saving on costs at around $7 instead of $25, and the Oil at just over $30 for 5 litres compared to $60 to $80 for 4 litres of Honda HP4 oil.  :thumbsup

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2011, 10:17:14 AM »
The Repco filter alone is a decent saving on costs at around $7 instead of $25, and the Oil at just over $30 for 5 litres compared to $60 to $80 for 4 litres of Honda HP4 oil.  :thumbsup

Gotta love this site  :-++

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Right you are Woody - most manufacturers would have you believe that you HAVE to use their products on them, when a lot of the time, an independent or third party product is as good, if not, better, and even a fraction of the price.

People tend to do this...    :eek   when they hear you are putting diesel oil in a big sport/touring bike... but those in the know do this.....    :thumb

If I cant get hold of Couch's Yamalube this time round, I'm heading back to Shell H5 Diesel oil.

The diesel FUEL can get phaaarked tho!        :-(((     :wink1
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2011, 10:22:35 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2011, 04:41:18 PM »
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Just for Diesel in case he gets pulled over again

When you use non-OEM parts some don't like it  :CB--
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