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Honda ST1300 Section => Tyres...to suit your ST1300 => Topic started by: Wild Rose on September 30, 2014, 08:44:54 AM
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Having just replaced my original Bridgestone BT023 tyres to the new Michelin PR4 GT, the speedo error is now worse
Previously with BT023 I had to do 106kpm to actually do 100kph by the GPS, But with the new Michelin PR4's I have
to be doing 109kph to achieve 100kph on the GPS :well
What speedo error have others experienced with other brands ?
With only 230km on the Michelin PR4's so far I am very impresses with the feel of the new tyres but will report after doing some
decent Km on them :grin
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ST1300 with new PR3's
Speedo show 118km/h
GPS shows 110km/h
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Having just replaced my original Bridgestone BT023 tyres to the new Michelin PR4 GT, the speedo error is now worse
Previously with BT023 I had to do 106kpm to actually do 100kph by the GPS, But with the new Michelin PR4's I have
to be doing 109kph to achieve 100kph on the GPS :well
What speedo error have others experienced with other brands ?
With only 230km on the Michelin PR4's so far I am very impresses with the feel of the new tyres but will report after doing some
decent Km on them :grin
my speedo is almost perfect :) something about the police model being more accurate or something
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I've had +9% indicated with all the tyres I've used- BTs, Metzeller Z6 and three types of PRs (although I must admit I've not rigorously tested every situation, but check whenever I've got the GPS on the bike).
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for $20 bucks you can get a bicycle speedo. little digital thing. check if it will do more than 99.99kmh and that you can enter the exact circumference. This will give exact speed and will solve the problem of running 1300 sizes on 1100 bike.
Fiting sensor magnet can be tricky, have pics of method if any interest.
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On the Sydney Newcastle Freeway they have timing marks. You should do the 5 kay run in 2minutes 44 secs at 110 kays an hour.
I have never checked the bike but my Nissan work ute is more than 10 kays out! At least it reads over so I don't often get booked.
I have been thinking of trying one of those GPS linked HUD to see if it will work on the screen. Anyone tried it?
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I have been thinking of trying one of those GPS linked HUD to see if it will work on the screen. Anyone tried it?
I think Wombat said he had bought a couple. Not sure on outcome as he went away for work but should be back now or soon or sometime......
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Just checked mine and must say the speedo is extremely accurate, absolutely spot on !!!
The bikes speedo is sitting on Zero and so is the GPS and the bike is on the centre stand in the shed......cannot get anymore accurate than that :nahnah
But awaiting further reports on the PR4 :popcorn :popcorn
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Mine was out by about 9 kph at 110. GPS would say 110, analogue speedometer would read 119 or so.
It was worse when I was running low profile tyres, but I can't remember the exact figures.
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Just checked mine and must say the speedo is extremely accurate, absolutely spot on !!!
The bikes speedo is sitting on Zero and so is the GPS and the bike is on the centre stand in the shed......cannot get anymore accurate than that :nahnah
But awaiting further reports on the PR4 :popcorn :popcorn
Yeah I be thinking it would be hard to get booked like that as well! Unless the Missus puts you in for loitering.
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Leo, I would have thought that unless you have changed Tyre sizes front/rear either or, it should not have changed what the speed o is recording. I went from Metz on the front and Bridgestone on the back to (correct sizes ) to a new pair of 023's of the same size and no change, as would be expected. Maybe your sizes have changed unknowingly?????? :eek???????Only thing that makes sense....Good Luck.. :wht11
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Leo, I would have thought that unless you have changed Tyre sizes front/rear either or, it should not have changed what the speed o is recording. I went from Metz on the front and Bridgestone on the back to (correct sizes ) to a new pair of 023's of the same size and no change, as would be expected. Maybe your sizes have changed unknowingly?????? :eek???????Only thing that makes sense....Good Luck.. :wht11
Standard size for the ST1300 120/70/18 front and a 170/60/17 on the rear
I don't know if you put a 180/55/17 on the rear would make any difference
I put a 195/60/15 on my car instead of the 195/55/15 the manufacture recommends now the speedo it totally accurate :grin
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Using different rated (eg lower profile) tyres will of course make a difference, as they have a different circumference due to their changed radius, you will be going a different distance per rotation, and your odo only tracks rotation, not distance.
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http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=170-60r17-180-55r17 (http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=170-60r17-180-55r17)
(http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc/imagestats/170x60xR17-180x55xR17.png) (http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=170-60r17-180-55r17)
(http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc/imagespeedo/170x60xR17-180x55xR17.png) (http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php?tires=170-60r17-180-55r17)
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What he said ^ :)
Then, factor in tyre pressure. Small difference, but such small differences accumulate
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st2up post fails to mention he is on guyra time
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st2up post fails to mention he is on guyra time
So do we infer from that he is not stationary but actually going backwards. Relatively speaking.
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I bought and fitted a SpeedoHealer . . An easy job to install and calibrate and now speedo is accurate throughout the range however the odometer under reads . . . Not so good if you rely on it for distances, but good at time of sale of bike . . Lower odometer reading. You can adjust it easily for different size tyres.
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Having just replaced my original Bridgestone BT023 tyres to the new Michelin PR4 GT, the speedo error is now worse
Previously with BT023 I had to do 106kpm to actually do 100kph by the GPS, But with the new Michelin PR4's I have
to be doing 109kph to achieve 100kph on the GPS :well
What speedo error have others experienced with other brands ?
With only 230km on the Michelin PR4's so far I am very impresses with the feel of the new tyres but will report after doing some
decent Km on them :grin
sounds about right to me......mine is doing the same as yours on the Angel GT.... and was the same on PR3'3
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I'm thinking about installing a speedo healer on my 1300 as the speedo is indicating 120 at GPS 110 k's. The one I'm looking at is here:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Speedo-Healer-V4-0-Including-Harness-Healtech-Any-Model-Free-Delivery-/301864441348?fromMakeTrack=true (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Speedo-Healer-V4-0-Including-Harness-Healtech-Any-Model-Free-Delivery-/301864441348?fromMakeTrack=true)
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:dred11
I wonder if the ST1300 size PR4 I had put on before Perth has had any bearing on the speeding ticket I got. will have to go for a ride down the freeway at 110 with the GPS speedo app on my phone...
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JohnnyYTED,
Speeding tickets are given out for exceeding the speed limit by less than 15 kph.
You were awarded a performance certificate for exceeding the speed limit by lots.
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:blu13 According to Shiney my Blue Beast is about 5kph out. @ 65kph is actually 60kph :blu13left
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:blu13 According to Shiney my Blue Beast is about 5kph out. @ 65kph is actually 60kph :blu13left
The problem with speedo errors is that get worse the faster you go, a difference of 5 ks at 60 could be 10 or 15 at 110 ks.
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My ST1300's speedometer is woefully inaccurate. According to my GPS's, it under reads by around 5km/h to 10km/h (the faster I'm going, the greater the error). If I never go over the posted speed limit (according to the speedometer), I don't think I would ever get a speeding ticket.
I'm on my third set of tyres now (current tyres PR4's), whilst these have all been the same size 170/60 - 17, all have been different makes. I don't suspect they all been manufactured to the exact same dimensions, but I don't believe there has been any noticeable/tangible difference in the readings between the speedometer and GPS's.
Of course I'm assuming the GPS's to be accurate, but I believe my assumption to be well founded, because of speed checks (a few years ago now) at a number of VicRoads' overhead gantry speed check sites on the Calder Highway, Western Highway and Hume Highway - yeah I had two Navmans and one Tom Tom Rider mounted on the dash of my then current FG Falcon ute. (The Calder and Hume Hwys speed checks are currently out of commission [busted], I suspect Marcus will tell us if the Western Hwy speed check is currently okay.)
Anyway I have confidence in the speeds indicated by the GPS currently on the ST (the Tom Tom) as I have passed countless roadside speed (err, road safety) cameras in a range of speed zones (50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 & 110km/h) with the motorbike speedo indicating 5 to 10km/h over the speed limit, and with the GPS indicating the posted speed limit or perhaps even 1 or 2km/h over the limit. Never had a speeding ticket on the bike (touch wood).
Johnny,
The way I remember your donation to the Police Ball is that it came about as follows - when stopped, you reckoned you may have been doing 121km/h (according to the speedometer), and you told the copper it may have been 120ish (by my reckoning your actual speed probably would have been around 112km/h).
However the copper alleged you were doing 131km/h, and if that was the case by reckoning your speedometer would have been indicating around 140km/h.
Can't blame this on the tyres.
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My ST1300's speedometer is woefully inaccurate. According to my GPS's, it under reads by around 5km/h to 10km/h (the faster I'm going, the greater the error). If I never go over the posted speed limit (according to the speedometer), I don't think I would ever get a speeding ticket.
The under read is within ADR specs for a speedometer as annoying as it maybe.
http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/speedo-accuracy (http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/speedo-accuracy)
After 1 July 2006
From 1 July 2006 all newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03:
•The speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h.
•The speedo must always read 'safe', meaning the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo. So if a vehicle travelling at a true speed of 100km/h, the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. Another way of looking at this is if the speedo indicates a speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.
•There is now no requirement to have an odometer, and so there is no accuracy requirement
My current TomTom GPS gives me a speed of 97 K/H for an indicated 100 and 105 K/H for 110.
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My VW Golf displays 102 at 100 GPS.
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Ruby's speedo is like most of the 13's. About 103 at 110 on speedoWoeful. Pearl the Landcruiser is 100 at 100, 110 at 110.
And 1CE the pug 308 is in between reads 104 at 100.
The speed check on the Western Hwy is operating but I found it to be intermittent
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Got my speedo healer a couple of days ago, took a couple of hours to fit as I have never had the plastics off my 1300. Biggest issue was getting the cable through under the seat. Finally got everything in place and calibrated the unit as per the web site instructions and now the speedo is spot on by the GPS, very happy though at around $140 not the cheapest.
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Got my speedo healer a couple of days ago, took a couple of hours to fit as I have never had the plastics off my 1300. Biggest issue was getting the cable through under the seat. Finally got everything in place and calibrated the unit as per the web site instructions and now the speedo is spot on by the GPS, very happy though at around $140 not the cheapest.
Did you check with the GPS it at a variety of speeds?
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Got my speedo healer a couple of days ago, took a couple of hours to fit as I have never had the plastics off my 1300. Biggest issue was getting the cable through under the seat. Finally got everything in place and calibrated the unit as per the web site instructions and now the speedo is spot on by the GPS, very happy though at around $140 not the cheapest.
Did you check with the GPS it at a variety of speeds?
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I've checked at 60 and 80, have not had a chance to check at 110 on the freeway. I'm going for a ride on Saturday so I'll get back to you with the results but I'm confident that it should be good at higher speed.
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:popcorn
Being a calibration technician, I'm expecting it will be good. But I am curious.
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Fitted the speedo healer back in 2013 . . . Have found it to be accurate at all speeds. Of course after a tyre change one should check it and recalibrate if necessary. Be aware that the odometer/trip meters will underread by the same percentage as the adjustment made. Not a big concern to me, I just use the GPS tripmeter when needing to record distance . . As in FarRides etc . .
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Fitted the speedo healer back in 2013 . . . Have found it to be accurate at all speeds. Of course after a tyre change one should check it and recalibrate if necessary. Be aware that the odometer/trip meters will underread by the same percentage as the adjustment made. Not a big concern to me, I just use the GPS tripmeter when needing to record distance . . As in FarRides etc . .
so doesn't that mean the odometer will be more accurate with the speedo healer on as it is now reading the correct speed?
If the odometer is true to the speed then on average the speedo can be out by up to 10% then for every 10,000 ks you do it can be adding up to 1000 ks to your odometer.
I'll need to do one of those odometer checks they have on the freeway to test how accurate it is now.
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Fitted the speedo healer back in 2013 . . . Have found it to be accurate at all speeds. Of course after a tyre change one should check it and recalibrate if necessary. Be aware that the odometer/trip meters will underread by the same percentage as the adjustment made. Not a big concern to me, I just use the GPS tripmeter when needing to record distance . . As in FarRides etc . .
so doesn't that mean the odometer will be more accurate with the speedo healer on as it is now reading the correct speed?
If the odometer is true to the speed then on average the speedo can be out by up to 10% then for every 10,000 ks you do it can be adding up to 1000 ks to your odometer.
I'll need to do one of those odometer checks they have on the freeway to test how accurate it is now.
Or use google maps or spotwalla over a longer distance. The longer the distance the smaller the margin of error.
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Fitted the speedo healer back in 2013 . . . Have found it to be accurate at all speeds. Of course after a tyre change one should check it and recalibrate if necessary. Be aware that the odometer/trip meters will underread by the same percentage as the adjustment made. Not a big concern to me, I just use the GPS tripmeter when needing to record distance . . As in FarRides etc . .
so doesn't that mean the odometer will be more accurate with the speedo healer on as it is now reading the correct speed?
If the odometer is true to the speed then on average the speedo can be out by up to 10% then for every 10,000 ks you do it can be adding up to 1000 ks to your odometer.
I'll need to do one of those odometer checks they have on the freeway to test how accurate it is now.
Speedo and odo have different tolerances. +/- 4 percent of distance where the speedo can be no more 10% plus 4 kph; if the speedo indicates a speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.
Speedo healer might fix your indicated speed but not so much the odometer unless they allow for the difference in tolerances.
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so doesn't that mean the odometer will be more accurate with the speedo healer on as it is now reading the correct speed?
If the odometer is true to the speed then on average the speedo can be out by up to 10% then for every 10,000 ks you do it can be adding up to 1000 ks to your odometer.
I'll need to do one of those odometer checks they have on the freeway to test how accurate it is now.
I'm really not sure, the only thing I can think of is that vehicle manufacturers seem to be happy to have their vehicles speedos over read . . Probably because that means the vehicle operator cannot sue them if they happen to get booked for speeding. However the odometer/tripmeter should be accurate at the higher displayed speed. The link between the instruments that display speed and the distance travelled is fixed, so when, with the speedo healer, one adjusts the speed display to be accurate . . Usually down, then the odometer/tripmeters will also reduce their readings by the % adjustment made. At least this is what I have found with the speedo healer fitted to my ST1300.