Author Topic: New member with a slightly dead ST (Read 4908 times)

Uncle_Shrek · « **on:** February 17, 2017, 08:54:47 AM »

Hi all,

Thanks for having me. I've owned "Piglet" for about nine months now. He's a high mileage 2003 model. I just did my own oil change at 150,000km a month ago. For the past while I have had the dreaded FI light coming on if I sit at over 4,000 rpm for more than a few seconds. It hasn't been a big issue for me as I don't have many demerit points to spare, so I normally stick to speed limits. On Tuesday afternoon, though, I left work as usual and headed north on Pennant Hills Rd towards the M1 (I live on the Central Coast) Piglet started coughing and spluttering and I only just managed to nurse it to a petrol station. I ended up having to be taken home on the back of a breakdown truck.
The question is: Is this breakdown likely to be related to the FI issue? I have read the thread about the five way connector. Could it be this or a bunged up fuel filter?
Thanks guys.
Uncle_Shrek

Wild Rose · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2017, 11:12:15 AM »

Welcome Uncle_Shrek to OzSTOC from Toowoomba in Queensland

I'm just a ST pilot not a ST fixer but I'm sure someone will come along and help you out

Enjoy your ST1300

Engoy the Forum

Uncle_Shrek · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2017, 12:24:18 PM »

Thanks Leo,

If I get a chance, I'll be trying to fix it this weekend. I've been putting off pulling the thing apart to get at that connector, but now I have no choice.

Here's hoping that is all that is wrong.

Kevin

Biggles · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2017, 12:44:23 PM »

It's a bit of a pain getting down to the top of the engine.
Be aware that the screws holding the "funnels" down are JIS, not Phillips. Phillips will damage the screws if they are hard to undo, and they often are, especially on a high kays bike.
If you can't find JIS screw drivers, it says somewhere on the Forum that you can grind the tip off a #2 Phillips driver and it will do the job.
And welcome to the moshpit.

Uncle_Shrek · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:03:22 PM »

I'm familiar with Phillips and Pozidrive screws, but I've never heard of JIS screws. I have a good set of SnapOn bits. Hopefully one of these will work.
Thanks heaps

Biggles · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:19:19 PM »

Just remembered too- there are two multi-way connectors, the second on deeper in the valley under the top one. Clean both- some folks have found gunk in them.

Biggles · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2017, 02:20:15 PM »

While you're in there, you might as well install a Cruise Control, because that's the most painful aspect of the installation.

Brock · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:52:29 PM »

Before dismantling the bike, do the easy checks first.

Check the fuel filter.

Check to see if the fuel pump is working properly, Pop a hose off and see if fuel shoots out freely (into a catch container of course, we dont want to start a fire)

tj189 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2017, 07:30:24 PM »

Welcome Uncle_Shrek, enjoy your time here on the forum.

good luck with the fix

Gadget · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2017, 09:29:20 PM »

Welcome Uncle_shrek and hopefully piglet will be up and running again soon.

Cheers,
Gary

Shiney · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2017, 08:20:59 AM »

G'day Uncle_Shrek, welcome to the forum

Good luck on the repairs mate

Cerebral Knievel · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2017, 10:18:38 AM »

Salutations Uncle_Shrek

I can strongly recommend doing a fuel filter change.
I had the same symptoms on my old 03

with similar mileage.
After changing the filter the boarish behaviour ceased

Good luck with the little sow...

Biggles · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2017, 10:22:17 AM »

Well-equipped workshop with the requisite supplies of "Bud".

Cerebral Knievel · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2017, 10:33:08 AM »

T'was a unrelentingly hot day,now 4 summers gone Biggles - when a easing drinking beer helped to clear one's head of 98RON gasoline

ST2UP · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2017, 11:23:21 AM »

Welcome along....

In no particular order....Right knock sensor due to heat issues, In tank fuel filter, or a waxed up 5 Ways connector.

Cheers

DBfive · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2017, 11:49:42 AM »

Greetings Uncle_Shrek

I've got down to the 5 way connector on my 03 1300 and found no gunk in it (only to have Biggles tell me now there's another one further down.....

)

Had all the tupperware off to fit Stebel horn (thanks Shiney!), but didn't fit new wire to knock sensor. All back together and off for test ride and of course the first time I gave the throttle a twist to pass some local agricultural machinery and back off when past, presto! FI light. Local Honda mechanic reckons he's done a few rewiring jobs and that seems to fix most of the problems. Now on my list for next time......

Fuel filter is a new one though, thanks Stimpy......

Happy hunting!

West Aussie Glen · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2017, 12:05:09 AM »

This has good photos/drawings of JIS and Phillips screwdrivers

http://www.toolking.com.au/screwdriver-japanese-industrial-standard-motorbike-etc/

StinkyPete · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2017, 06:28:44 AM »

Also have a look at this post..... http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5870.msg112582#msg112582 JIS screw heads can be identified by the dot on the screw head.

JIS Screwdrivers are readily available via ebay, but the vast majority of tool suppliers have never heard of them.

DaleMcLean · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2017, 06:51:31 AM »

The screwdriver in the tool kit (if its still there) is just what you need for them.
The other flat piece in the kit makes the handle, a nice "tap" with a hammer like object to seat the driver in the screw and they come out easy peasy.

Done quite a few cruise installs so can vouch for it

Sicman · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2017, 11:04:41 AM »

Welcome On In Uncle_Shrek

cravenhaven · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2017, 12:05:58 PM »

I thought the faulty 'knock' sensor problem only caused 'less than ideal' running, not complete failure. Similarly for the blocked 5 way connector.
Am I wrong?

cravenhaven · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2017, 12:08:48 PM »

OH!, another thing.
Shrek, have you 'read out' the fault code for the FI fault indicator?. It would normally be a 25 or 26 code for the knock sensors.

Uncle_Shrek · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2017, 12:24:12 PM »

Hi Cravenhaven,
Is there a thread relating to reading out the fault codes? Sorry for asking the newbie questions that have probably been asked a couple hundred times already.

Cheers

cravenhaven · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2017, 12:39:20 PM »

Cant find a post while quickly searching though I did describe it once before somewhere. Anyway from the manual:

Turn the key switch off
Find the PGM-FI service connector under the rear seat on the LHS (4 wire connector normally taped to the frame)
use a piece of wire to short together the Brown and Green/Pink terminals
Turn on the ignition switch and engine stop switch (but dont start the bike)
The FI light will now start blinking a pattern of long and short flashes
The long flashes are = 10, the short flashes are = 1, so 2 long and 5 short = 25
If there are multiple faults, it will display them in order and then repeat.

Uncle_Shrek · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2017, 12:50:48 PM »

Thanks for that.

If only I could find the time and/or inclination to dive into this.

And to top it off, my alternative mode of transport also carked it at the weekend. I have a Mitsubishi Pajero and it also has a fuel problem. This time it is spraying petrol all over the place from the fuel pump just under the back seats. It is abandoned at a servo, so I need to prioritise getting it running first, so that I can at least limp it home.

That's two. I wonder what the third thing will be. Oh, now I remember - my lawn mower died in the arse last weekend too.

Hopefully that'll be all my bad luck used up for the year. Does bad luck work on financial or calendar years???

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