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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2022, 10:17:34 AM »
Very interesting topic isnt it.Lots of interesting points here. Heres a few points to add.


While electric cars cost so much more it is more an idealistic choice rather than an economic one.
I would have a second car that is electric as range is not as important if you are driving locally to the shops, visiting friends, medical appointments etc.
I have solar so an electric car can charge during the day free of cost a lot of the time
If I have another car, eg the landcruiser for towing  the van and other longer trips I will use that longer trips and if the electric car was needing charge.
Petrol etc will get more expensive.
Electricity will get more expensive.
The idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.
I wonder if any electric/ hybrid vehicles are designed so a newer, better, lighter battery pack could be added. Or a cheaper bigger one even.
In the meantime I watch and wait.

PS. I wouldnt be interested in an electric motorcycle . I like the ST just as it is





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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2022, 01:39:34 PM »
Well, you boys (and girls) are welcome to your EV machines - yesterday's technology, particularly for those who love the wind in their face.
This is the brave new world for those who like a bit of adventure travel in their lives:
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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2022, 01:43:13 PM »
No more flat tyres, but a bit short on touring range?  :grin

Ummm... how much for a tank of jet fuel every 35 minutes these days??
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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2022, 02:22:46 PM »
The idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.

You might find this video of interest then, Gary...

https://youtu.be/sQjFQCPzLSc


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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2022, 06:15:42 PM »
Our primary vehicle is an EV (not PHEV or HEV). We live rurally, about 40km to the shops each way. My kids/grandkids live 200km and 600km away, but we use the EV for all these trips unless towing the caravan with the Ranger. Charging is pretty much not a problem as there are plenty of shopping centre freebies and highway Fast Chargers available.

It does take a little more focus on planning longer trips ATM, but the Charger availability is improving rapidly.

Cost wise, its considerably cheaper to own and run, but like for like with ICE the break even point is still 5-10 years. Resale values could change the equations on the financial side, but its still to early to tell.
 

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2022, 10:44:07 PM »
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.



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Range (WLTP)
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Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first

We're getting quotes from a couple of solar  system installers.

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2022, 02:08:40 AM »
I have a approx 10Kw solar and that runs our house and charging needs perfectly Gary.

 

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« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2022, 08:05:03 AM »
Thanks.

As we only have single phase, we're looking at 10+kW of panels and an 8 kW inverter. Predominantly on the East and West rooves as the north cops quite a bit of shade in Winter.

We normally average 27 kW/h per day usage, so :X the system will bring us close to neutral grid usage.

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2022, 01:06:26 PM »
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.



Acceleration
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Range (WLTP)
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Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 80,000 km, whichever comes first
Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first

We're getting quotes from a couple of solar  system installers.

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Looks like a fun purchase Gary.

The economics don't work too well in my case. Because we got into solar early enough to get the ridiculous 50c feed-in tariff (actually we got in on the last day), charging the car during the day would effectively cost us 50c per kWh in lost exports.  I'm one of those parasites who gets paid by AGL every quarter - subsidised by my neighbors.
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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2022, 05:29:58 PM »
We're export limited to 2.5kw because of thin rural lines, so it works well for us. But even at $0.50/kwh that's about 14km/$ which is about what You'd pay in petrol for a small car.
 

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2022, 08:35:41 PM »
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.



Acceleration
6.9s 0-100 km/h
Range (WLTP)
455 km

Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 80,000 km, whichever comes first
Battery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first

We're getting quotes from a couple of solar  system installers.

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Looks like a fun purchase Gary.

The economics don't work too well in my case. Because we got into solar early enough to get the ridiculous 50c feed-in tariff (actually we got in on the last day), charging the car during the day would effectively cost us 50c per kWh in lost exports.  I'm one of those parasites who gets paid by AGL every quarter - subsidised by my neighbors.
The best feed in tariff I think I can get from AGL is 10c/kWh for the first 4.8 kWh, and then 5c/kWh. 

The grid price is about 24c/kWh or off-peak is 13ckW/h.

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2022, 09:46:16 PM »
Another view.



This is an interesting post for the renewable energy buffs.
Electric cars are only as good as the charging facilities provided
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Charging Electric Cars MELBOURNE
I recently did some work for the body corporate at the Dock 5 Apartment Building in Docklands in Melbourne to see if we could install a small number of electric charging points for owners to charge their electric vehicles. We had our first three applications. We discovered:
1.      Our  building has no non- allocated parking spaces ie public ones. This is typical of most apartment buildings so we cannot provide shared outlets.
2.      The power supply in the building was designed for the loads in the building with virtually no spare capacity. Only 5 or 6 chargers could be installed in total in a building with 188 apartments!!
3.      How do you allocate them as they would add value to any apartment owning one. The shit fight started on day one with about 20 applications received 1st day and many more following.
4.      The car park sub-boards cannot carry the extra loads of even one charger and would have to be upgraded on any floors with a charger as would the supply mains to each sub board.
5.      The main switch board would then have to be upgraded to add the heavier circuit breakers for the  sub mains upgrade and furthermore:
6.      When Docklands was designed a limit was put on the number of apartments in each precinct and the mains and transformers in the streets designed accordingly. This means there is no capacity in the Docklands street grid for any significant quantity of car chargers in any building in the area.
7.      It gets better. The whole CBD (Hoddle Grid, Docklands)and Southbank is fed by two sub stations. One in Port Melbourne and one in West Melbourne. This was done to have two alternate feeds in case one failed or was down for maintenance. Because of the growth in the city /Docklands and Southbank now neither one is now capable of supplying the full requirement of Melbourne zone at peak usage in mid- summer if the other is out of action. The Port Melbourne 66,000 volt feeder runs on 50 or 60 year old wooden power poles above ground along Dorcas Street South Melbourne. One is pole is located 40 cm from the corner Kerb at the incredibly busy Ferrars /St Dorcas St Intersection and is very vulnerable to being wiped out by a wayward vehicle.
8.      The infrastructure expenditure required would dwarf the NBN cost excluding the new power stations required
These advocates of electric vehicles only by 2040 are completely bonkers. It takes 5-8 years to design and build a large coal fired power station like Loy Yang and even longer for a Nuclear one (That’s after you get the political will, permits and legislative changes needed ). Wind and solar just can’t produce enough. Tidal power might but that’s further away than nuclear.
It's just a greenies dream in the foreseeable future other than in small wealthy countries. It will no doubt ultimately come but not in the next 20 years...
The grid cannot support it in most places in Australia!
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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2022, 09:53:33 PM »


Quote from: ruSTynutz on June 20, 2022, 02:22:46 PM

Quote from: ppopeye on June 20, 2022, 10:17:34 AMThe idea of a hybrid is appealing in some ways as well.




You might find this video of interest then, Gary...

https://youtu.be/sQjFQCPzLSc


Has his style nd delivery but he makes good points. I will continue homework, discussion, advise,  musings and ponderings and then decide I cant afford anything I would like anyway.
If the 100series was better as  a shopping car I would go back to one car, and keep driving that till I fall off my perch because it will still be going then. Fuel might be going up but replacing cars is the most expensive part.

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2022, 11:15:20 PM »
Those arguments are all well and good, but largely irrelevant.
Many older appartment buildings were never designed for residential parking and almost no new ones allocate room for more than 1 vehicle per flat. So how do residents with multiple vehicle needs get on?. City centers have few (if any) petrol stations yet people can drive out of the centre to charge their cars.
It's all very easy to say that in the past we were ignorant therefore the future is impossible. I'm currently travelling in the UK and Europe and guess what, those 12th/13th etc century buildings all have electric power now, also air conditioning, sewerage, running water etc etc.
eg Local Solar installations may offset a considerable amount of the power requirement, as would Smart/(off peak) EV chargers. Maybe  residents from those blocks will have to charge their car elsewhere, after all they most likely walk or bus to work anyway, so only need the vehicle+charging when leaving the city centre and can use public fast chargers.
As far as the tired old argument of 'The Grid' not ready for it. If there was a step change of ALL cars must be EV now or next year, we wouldn't be ready. But its a gradual, though hastening change, and 'readiness' is being worked on by the energy industry. We easily have enough 'Power', just not always in the right places.
 

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Re: Is this guy MAD?
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2022, 11:23:42 AM »
I've put a deposit down for the Tesla RWD Model Y, with delivery from Aug to Nov 2022.



Welcome to the Tesla club, Gary!  :runyay

I have a Tesla as well although mine is secondhand...it's one of these: https://tinyurl.com/56f6kw97  :whistle


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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2022, 11:31:11 AM »
Speaking of "Mad" & "Tesla"...This is one EV I wouldn't mind owning... https://youtu.be/fKWe1R1bWOM  :thumbs


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