Author Topic: New Tyre (Read 50403 times)

alans1100 · « **on:** December 21, 2011, 03:23:14 PM »

Hi,

Since living in a country town in SA which is about 100kms from the nearest bike/tyre dealer I put a query into the local Tyrepower dealer. Originally I went in with the Territory to get a price on a couple tyres to suit that.

They also sell the cheaper fuel in town so them seeing me in a car and bike is common. While asking about car tyres he mentioned that they do motorcycle as well.

I ordered the rear Bridgestone BT-023 for the 1100 yesterday (20/12/11) and it should be here to fit on Friday. No fitting charge if I take the wheel off myself. So should cost me about $278. This afternoon the rear wheel comes off which I have only done once before. Should be easier this time.

Alan

saaz · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2011, 04:01:56 PM »

Its good that you have that option. A tyre place in Jindabyne also does the same thing, and has some common tyres in stock

alans1100 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2011, 06:51:12 PM »

I have just spent the last hour or so removing the rear wheel so I can do my tyre change. Doing it on the ground makes it a little harder as I have to remove tow bar and the rear mud guard to get the wheel out.

What I hated was finding out the splines had not been greased when the tyre was done last time. Dry as a bone it was. Now that's not good for a dealer who should know better. I found the same had happened before when I took the wheel out myself a couple tyre changes ago.

Just as well I had grease on hand and it looks like I'll be taking the wheel out myself from now on.

Alan

Malcolm6112 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2011, 07:16:50 PM »

I hope you used the correct grease Alans1100.

STray had to replace the rear spline drive on his 1100 just recently because an axle grease was used.
Honda recommend a Moly 60 grease. Under $20 a tube when you buy it from the states. Two and a half arms if bought from your local Honda STealership.

alans1100 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2011, 07:46:38 PM »

Thanks Malcolm6112,

I think what I used should be good enough. Castrol grease LMM High melting point extreme pressure for ball joints and constant velocity joints. The last time I did this all I could find was a marine grease with similar traits. I didn't even know I had the castrol stuff until my partner found it.

alans1100 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2011, 02:37:25 PM »

New tyre on bike after about an hour and a half, that includes tow bar, mudguard and re-routing trailer plug lead slightly.

Tyre dealer was kind enough to bring me home so I didn't have to roll the wheel back home.

Did here somewhere that the swing arm is prone to rust on 1100's , couldn't feel or see any so hopefully it's ok. Also noticed very slight weeping on rear shock, guess that's another item to go on the list.

Alan

saaz · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2011, 03:01:37 PM »

Alan, the swingarm rotting problem is mainly, or only, in the UK is the bike is used through winter on their salted roads. Rare if not unknown here, unless the bike is left in water. The exhaust collector box is also prone to rotting in the UK, so that is why you can buy stainless replacements.

alans1100 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2012, 12:36:45 PM »

I ordered my 2nd front BT-023 today after 12,000kms and my first order from Jake Wilson ($AUD165.61). I could only afford one tyre this time but I still saved about $60 compared to the last tyre bought from my local dealer.

alans1100 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2012, 05:51:00 PM »

Quote from: alans1100 on March 14, 2012, 12:36:45 PM

I ordered my 2nd front BT-023 today after 12,000kms and my first order from Jake Wilson ($AUD165.61). I could only afford one tyre this time but I still saved about $60 compared to the last tyre bought from my local dealer.

Front tyre arrived to day. Not bad, 6 days from US. Getting fitted tomorrow at local Tyrepower dealer for $15.00, so $180 fitted compared to $231 fitted at dealer in August 2011.

Just finished taking front wheel off. Bit of a learning curve as it's first time I've done this one. Gives me a chance to clean up 140,000kms of road dirt etc from the bits I can't get to when it's all together. Freezer bags will come in handy to cover the calipers.....lol

alans1100 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2012, 08:17:18 PM »

I put another order into Jake Wilson this morning (11/07/2012) and after a little indecision I just ordered the rear tyre only. Hopefully both front and rear will need to be replaced together next time and I can try out the Avons. Total delivered cost for the tyre part of my order was $162.73.

It appears that the BT-023 120/70ZR18 front tyre as been dropped in favour of the GT version only and they never had any in stock anyway.

So they now have BT-023GT 120/70ZR18 for 1100 & 1300 and BT- 023GT 170/60ZR17 for the 1300 and standard BT-023 160/70ZR17 for the 1100.

alans1100 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2013, 06:29:27 PM »

Rather than start a new thread.

It's now time to replace my front tyre and in the last few weeks I've been looking at different options.

I've come down to a choice between the Shinko Verge (cheaper) and Bridgestone 23's which I have had for the last three sets.

At the moment the Bridgestone 23 GT (from US) in 1300 sizes is in front. These will cost about $300 for the set delivered to my door.

Bluey · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2013, 09:17:46 PM »

Yesterday I had a pair of BT023's fitted by Tyres For Bikes in Brisvegas - $397 including $2 surcharge for Moly paste.

I bumped the bike off the centre stand this morning and heard a strange grinding noise coming from the front brakes - eventually I found that the screw holding the front ABS sensor in place was missing and the sensor was grinding itself to pieces on the pulse wheel. There is no need for it to be removed (or so I thought, but after checking the book, I now know it is removed! - thanks Alans1100 for pointing that out) when changing the tyre, and TFB say "of course we didn't remove/loosen it" (but they must have!), but is wasn't there and would be unlikely to just fall out by itself. The surface under the head was clean and bright, so it hadn't been working it's way out over a period of time!

I replaced it this morning with a cap head screw from the local Bolt Pro, so all is well. No errors in the ABS, so I think the sensor has survived the trip down from Brisbane to the Gold Coast. Wasn't happy, I can tell you.

If there is a moral to my story - it is that one should never assume that anyone (including yourself), who touches your bike, will take sufficient care and to always check the work, if possible, before riding away. Your life may depend on it.

alans1100 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 08, 2013, 12:07:16 AM »

I need to take my wheel down to my local tyre dealer for the tyre change over. They normally do cars and dirt bikes and they will do road bikes if you take the wheel down. They will order Bridgestones in but for the pair it would be over $500 (same price at nearest bike shop). So I order OS and I get charged for fitting but I'm still in front.

The front wheel sensor according to the manual (1100A) is removed to allow clearance for the wheel to be removed. I removed my front wheel last time and there's no way the wheel rim will get passed the sensor, it has to be removed. A 5 mm gap between sensor and ring is required.

I should have taken photos last time but will be this time.

alans1100 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2013, 01:17:20 PM »

I just ordered my tyres from JW but they won't be shipped until the front one (the one I need) is in stock.

With todays currency conversion rate it works out to about $AUD303

I thought about getting the Shinko but after seeing the BT23's in GT spec to suit 1300 rear I chose those which are not listed on the Australian Bridgestone site. Order date: Tue Jun 18 20:48:32 MDT 2013
Order number:
Ship Via: DHL AUSTRALIA

Product Description Part # Price Quantity Sub Total
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Orders shipping to international addresses are held until all items are in stock.
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170/60ZR-17 (72W) Bridgestone Battlax BT023 GT Rear Motorcycle Tire - 2008 Honda ST1300 (ABS) (Rear) 1360770002 $119.99 1 $119.99
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Items on backorder
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120/70ZR-18 (59W) Bridgestone Battlax BT023 GT Front Motorcycle Tire - 1999 Honda ST1100 (ABS) (Front) 1360760003 Estimated Delivery
Jun 28, 2013 $101.99 1 $101.99
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Total Due: $221.98
Shipping $ 65.00

Total $US286.98

saaz · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2013, 03:58:43 PM »

I heard about a GT spec tyre becoming available, but at the time it was not in our sizes. The Bridgestone is the cheapest 'name brand' tyre close to the Shinko in price.

STeveo · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2013, 09:47:51 PM »

I remember reading somewhere that Shinko is the old Bridgestone tyre works moved from Japan to China. Anybody tried the Shinko's? What is your opionion? Good or bad? Value for money?

saaz · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2013, 10:16:48 PM »

I think they bought the old Yokohama motorcycle tyre plant originally, but have since done their own thing.

I have used a few sets of them in ST1300 sizes on the ST1100, as have a few other ST11 riders I know. The landed cost from jake Wilson is around $220 a set, but I buy in 3 sets at a time.

Typical life is 15,000kms plus, upwards of 20,000kms so far. I have found them as good as any other tyre in the wet and dry, which surprised me. Originally I was only going to use them as a saving to pay for the tyre changing equipment I bought, but I continue to buy them because they work and last. They do feel a bit more sporty and ride slightly harder than tyres like the Pilot Road 2, but cost 30% less from the same place. I got 17,600 from a set of PR2s, they did not feel any better than the Shinkos and towards the end of their life felt worse due to the way the dual compound wore in a strange pattern.

The Bridgstone BT023GTs are now available at a good price as well from Jake Wilson, and not that much more than Shinkos if you want to stick to a better known brand

alans1100 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2013, 10:55:31 PM »

It was the GT spec that influenced the choice in the end so that I could compare them to the standard BT 23 tyre.

Shinko is still on the cards for the next change over when ever that may be.

alans1100 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2013, 01:56:56 PM »

Just got the e-mail from JW saying my tyres have now been shipped via DHL.

Also an e-mail from DHL with the tracking info. Estimated delivery on the 29th or the 1st of July.

The annoying thing is the day the transaction went through. Rather than charge on day of the order, they charged on the day they sent the order which is ok but with our dollar going south meant a little more cash out so total cost delivered was $321.14 (inc bank fees) but still cheaper than local.

Bought some 90 degree valve extensions this time which cost me $12.74 delivered.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321147958360?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Chops · « **Reply #19 on:** June 26, 2013, 03:16:11 PM »

Have used JW a fair bit and always impressed by prompt delivery and cost
But now starting to get slugged $90 to fit them so am looking at doing my own
Any pointers on tyre changing equipment would be great

alans1100 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 26, 2013, 04:09:20 PM »

Quote from: Chops on June 26, 2013, 03:16:11 PM

Have used JW a fair bit and always impressed by prompt delivery and cost
But now starting to get slugged $90 to fit them so am looking at doing my own
Any pointers on tyre changing equipment would be great

I don't have a bike shop closer than 110 kms so i get the local tyre dealer to fit. Costs $30 a tyre but they can't balance but still cheaper than buying plus fitting at bike shop.

Found this on E-bay..... something like this. It would pay for is self after a couple tyre changes.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Manual-bead-breaker-/221240681169?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3382f8e2d1&_uhb=1

This one has the lot

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Tyre-Changer-Mousse-Installation-Premium-Kit-incl-levers-bead-tools/320997177319?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D8642891869581208883%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D320997177319%26

saaz · « **Reply #21 on:** June 26, 2013, 05:00:34 PM »

I have a tyre changer to clamp the wheel and break the bead, as well as a no scuff tyre change bar, and various other bits and pieces if anyone around the ACT is interested in either using or having a look at.

Chops · « **Reply #22 on:** June 26, 2013, 06:08:39 PM »

Thanks Saaz that would be great
Let me know when you are around
would like to get my own and it's always helpful to see what others are using
PM or ph 0408240343

saaz · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2013, 08:11:17 PM »

No problems. I am home from this Saturday on until next Friday when I leave for ebor. I can point you those things that work, and one of the main parts I bought in Australia.

As a guide, I use the no scuff tool, and given my time again might make up a tyre locating tool like in the following as it is cheap and seems to work. At the moment I use a tool that clamps onto the rims.

http://no-scufftiretool.com/

alans1100 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2013, 02:43:23 PM »

Tyres arrived today.

I was supposed to sign for them but at 7:30am in the morning. I think the courier knocked on the door (I didn't hear), no answer so they got left on our front porch.

The GT tyre seems to be a little more solidly built than the basic BT-23, The front tread pattern is different as well. I think the rear is the same but I need to check.

At 10 am this morning I started the wheel removal (plenty of dog supervision as well) and took a few photos as I went. The A model, compared to the standard model has a little extra work involved getting the wheel off.

Will post up in the next day or so after it's all back together.

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Author Topic: New Tyre (Read 50403 times)

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