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Honda ST1300 Section => Oils, Oil Filters & Servicing ST1300 => Topic started by: Nigel on January 28, 2016, 05:29:18 PM

Title: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Nigel on January 28, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
Hi all , Question for all the 1300 owners out there. I am about to unleash my VFR800 onto the unsuspecting public. I want to service it soon and have discovered that the ST1300 engine oil filter is the same as the Vfr. ie a K&N-204 or Honda equivalent. My question is this, is there a generic filter available IE Ryco etc that is as good as the genuine? Thanks all in advance............................................................. :wht11
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Shiney on January 28, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
Z436 Ryco :thumbs

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Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: ppopeye on January 28, 2016, 09:08:09 PM
Nigel I got the 204 from oil  place on corner of dorset and barry st in  Bayswater. Its all I use so I have a ryco you can have if you want.


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Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Nigel on January 29, 2016, 06:31:16 AM
Thanks Shiney and Gary will arrange to pick up soon. Thanks all
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Nigel on January 30, 2016, 10:45:18 AM
Hi all bit confused now. Z436 is listed as part of the 1100 filter range as well. Gary what numbers are on the filter you have? Thanks Nigel

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Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on January 30, 2016, 12:14:48 PM
Hi all bit confused now. Z436 is listed as part of the 1100 filter range as well. Gary what numbers are on the filter you have? Thanks Nigel

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Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Nigel on January 30, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks Alan didn't realize that. So a ROF 135 is the same as well. All good then.Top result....Nigel............................. :wht11
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Williamson on May 16, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Anyone used one of these?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OSAKA-OIL-FILTER-OZ436-INTERCHANGEABLE-WITH-RYCO-Z436-BOX-OF-10/253215070172?hash=item3af4cb57dc:g:ZFUAAOSwykZZ6h2N (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OSAKA-OIL-FILTER-OZ436-INTERCHANGEABLE-WITH-RYCO-Z436-BOX-OF-10/253215070172?hash=item3af4cb57dc:g:ZFUAAOSwykZZ6h2N)

Or any other after market filters?

I'm currently at one spare oil filter, which will go on the ST13 next weekend with an oil change (will probably clock over 40,000km on the Omeo weekend).

I haven't had to buy a filter for around 10 years since I bought a pack of 10 from a Honda dealer (Redwing Honda in Heidelberg, VIC) when they had a clearing sale before the liquidation.



Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Williamson on May 16, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
Or these:
https://www.amazon.com.au/Genuine-Delco-Filter-AC073-Z445/dp/B07B5WG5RG/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=39RQZ3HCHN5TRMGXKKSM (https://www.amazon.com.au/Genuine-Delco-Filter-AC073-Z445/dp/B07B5WG5RG/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=39RQZ3HCHN5TRMGXKKSM)

Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on May 16, 2018, 10:19:45 PM
Go to SuperCheap or Autobarn and get the Ryco Z436  or SCA436.
I've been using them for years.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Jdbiker on May 16, 2018, 11:00:45 PM
I use the Ryco 436 too, around $15🤓
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on July 26, 2018, 12:26:58 AM
Just managed to get two Ryco RMZ119 oil filters on eBay for $23.58. The 1300 is overdue and the 1100 is nearly due for their oil changes.

Already tried the other suggested Ryco sizes suggested plus the Repco one so I'll see how this one goes.

http://www.rycofilters.com.au/cat/search-result.html?make=HONDA+MOTO&model=ST1300&year=2004# (http://www.rycofilters.com.au/cat/search-result.html?make=HONDA+MOTO&model=ST1300&year=2004#)!/table

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/837/29762945198_7e49e0d9de_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Mm3SFy)1300 oil filter (https://flic.kr/p/Mm3SFy) by Alan Williams (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on July 26, 2018, 12:35:39 AM
Just managed to get two Ryco RMZ119 oil filters on eBay for $23.58. The 1300 is overdue and the 1100 is nearly due for their oil changes.

Any idea how it differs from the Ryco Z436?  Maybe longer (would make it easier to get on and off).
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on July 26, 2018, 12:42:17 AM
Just managed to get two Ryco RMZ119 oil filters on eBay for $23.58. The 1300 is overdue and the 1100 is nearly due for their oil changes.

Any idea how it differs from the Ryco Z436?  Maybe longer (would make it easier to get on and off).

Looking at the specs it would be comparative to OEM size

Specifications

Part RMZ119

Type OIL 
 Height Overall ..... 65mm 
 Seal Diameter ......62mm 
 Seam Diameter ....69mm 
 Thread M20x1.5
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on October 08, 2018, 06:05:14 PM
Any idea how it differs from the Ryco Z436? Maybe longer (would make it easier to get on and off).


Another answer to your above question is that the OEM tool for removing the oil filter also fits.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1927/44451590684_e41723975d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aJ32eW)DSC_1898 (https://flic.kr/p/2aJ32eW) by Alan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152195423@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on October 08, 2018, 08:39:10 PM
Just by-the-way, the lovely tool illustrated above just skids around the Super Cheap Auto clone of the Ryco 436.  Theirs is called the SCA436.  Theirs is cheaper, but I'll pay a bit more for the ease of getting the filter on and off, thank you.  The amount of arc available to swing any tool in the vicinity of the oil filter is minuscule because of the exhaust and centre stand.  With a cup like the above you can use your socket ratchet handle with a short extension bar to the socket.  The version I have also permits a 1/2" drive to slot straight in.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: STroppy on October 08, 2018, 08:59:39 PM
Hi all , Question for all the 1300 owners out there. I am about to unleash my VFR800 onto the unsuspecting public. I want to service it soon and have discovered that the ST1300 engine oil filter is the same as the Vfr. ie a K&N-204 or Honda equivalent. My question is this, is there a generic filter available IE Ryco etc that is as good as the genuine? Thanks all in advance............................................................. :wht11

VFR 800 . . A very nice bike Nigel . . Fast, nimble and light . . Love ‘me . . You riding that to Junee?
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brock on October 08, 2018, 09:43:13 PM
Also the Repco ROF 135..

Dont know about the removal tools on the 1100, I only need to use my hands
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on October 08, 2018, 11:15:38 PM
Also the Repco ROF 135..

Dont know about the removal tools on the 1100, I only need to use my hands
Several years ago I ordered a triple pack of OEM filters from David Silver for the 1100 and the pictured tool came with them; I could never get it to work on any aftermarket filter I've used until this one.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Nigel on October 09, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Just to add another 2c, Ryco Z436 on ebay, bought one the other day. $11.95 posted. Good value there.. :wht11
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on October 09, 2018, 06:20:46 PM
Just to add another 2c, Ryco Z436 on ebay, bought one the other day. $11.95 posted. Good value there.. :wht11

That's good buying, incl postage.  As I recall they're $15 at Super Cheap Auto.
Repco give 10% off for RACQ members.  But they need to, because they're 25% dearer on most things.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brock on October 09, 2018, 10:06:57 PM
ROF135 is about 8.00
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on December 02, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
I completed the 1300s oil/filter change today.

My only complaint is that the position of the oil filter is stupid. At least on the 1100 the oil drain pan can be placed under the filter to catch most of the oil out of the filter; not so with the 1300 with the centre stand being in the way. Thanks to an old piece of carpet and a suitably arranged  plastic garbage bag I prevented most of the oil from spilling onto Tammie's garage floor.

Any idea how it differs from the Ryco Z436?  Maybe longer (would make it easier to get on and off).

The filter that came of the bike was OEM and the Ryco RMZ119 that I put on was the same size.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on December 02, 2018, 07:54:47 PM
I completed the 1300s oil/filter change today.

My only complaint is that the position of the oil filter is stupid. At least on the 1100 the oil drain pan can be placed under the filter to catch most of the oil out of the filter; not so with the 1300 with the centre stand being in the way. Thanks to an old piece of carpet and a suitably arranged  plastic garbage bag I prevented most of the oil from spilling onto Tammie's garage floor.

Now you know what we have all suffered.  I've seen a suggestion of using aluminium foil to fashion a funnel of sorts around the centre stand to direct to the front the oil that drops as you pull the filter away from the thread. 
In the final analysis, a pan hard up against the front of the stand and an ice-cream container behind it, all on cardboard or newspaper will at least catch a lot of it and protect the floor.  That's about the best you can hope for.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Knave on December 03, 2018, 07:35:48 AM
Not that it affects any of our ST's but I was told that if you replace an OEM oil filter with an after market brand you will void your warranty. Something to keep in mind if you have a bike that is still under the manufacturer's warranty.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: alans1100 on December 03, 2018, 09:55:17 AM
Not that it affects any of our ST's but I was told that if you replace an OEM oil filter with an after market brand you will void your warranty. Something to keep in mind if you have a bike that is still under the manufacturer's warranty.
The same applies to all aftermarket items that can replace OEM items
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Shiney on December 03, 2018, 10:27:53 AM
Not that it affects any of our ST's but I was told that if you replace an OEM oil filter with an after market brand you will void your warranty. Something to keep in mind if you have a bike that is still under the manufacturer's warranty.

Just a FYI...

When I brought my ST (New) from Toowoomba Honda they advised that the warranty is only going to cover failures due to manufacturing.

As long as the service schedule is followed, I could do the servicing myself (as long as I keep a record of what is done and the odometer reading).
BUT, if it can be proven that something wasn't done or the service schedule wasn't followed, the warranty wouldn't cover any resulting damage.

Now, if an aftermarket part is used, any damage that can be traced to that part will not be covered by the warranty however any other manufacturing defects will still be covered.

Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brookester on October 10, 2023, 05:45:15 PM
So whilst this is an old thread it was reviewed....all to no avail. After WendyL bike was serviced at Brisbane Honda we cannot get the oil filter off. I have tried no less than 6 different types of oil filter removal tools, even broke a borrowed one, absolutely no hope of getting it off! Not impressed as it appears this has been caused by either or both reasons, 1 did not pre oil before applying 2 torqued up way too tight.
This is after we had to replace heated grips that were screwed loose at the same service but did not notice until halfway home to Cloncurry.
End result is going into MJM for a proper full service, fluids, greasing, etc, plus fit a new clutch slave cylinder to get WendyL back riding...
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brock on October 10, 2023, 08:37:39 PM
You may need to resort to driving a screwdriver through the side, and really heaving on it.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brookester on January 01, 2024, 11:32:18 AM
Finally got oil filter off..screwdriver through it did nothing but leak oil everywhere, got some vice grip chain pliers from Supercheap, off in 3 turns finally....now to see if I can do the clutch slave cylinder...and definitely a Ryco Z436 filter going back on with cup tool
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 01, 2024, 02:04:54 PM
I use a K&N filter as they have a nut welded on the end which makes removal a pretty simple task...
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on January 01, 2024, 04:19:39 PM
Finally got oil filter off..screwdriver through it did nothing but leak oil everywhere, got some vice grip chain pliers from Supercheap, off in 3 turns finally....now to see if I can do the clutch slave cylinder...and definitely a Ryco Z436 filter going back on with cup tool

I have that system.  Just be aware the "cup" tends to bind since it's a loose fit, and can be a PITA to get it off the installed filter.  Best to screw the filter on and tighten by hand only.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brock on January 01, 2024, 10:55:22 PM
Oil filters should have a smear of oil on the oring, done up by hand until the the oring seats. Then turn the filter 1/3 to 1/2 turn by hand to ensure a good seal. After filling the sump, run the engine til its warm and check for leaks.

You should never have to use a tool to do the filter up tight. I dont have access to the torque values here in Thailand, but its not great. If you need a spanner of some sort to remove the filter, it has been over tightened.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 01, 2024, 11:05:49 PM
I believe the torque figure is 26nm...but I only ever tighten it by hand as Brock suggests.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Brock on January 01, 2024, 11:33:14 PM
Thanks Rusty, that equates to 19 foot pounds, so with a good torque wrench tolerance is about 16 to 22 ft lbs. Thats easily achievable by hand.
Title: Re: Oil Filter For 1300.................
Post by: Biggles on January 02, 2024, 01:46:04 PM
Thanks Rusty, that equates to 19 foot pounds, so with a good torque wrench tolerance is about 16 to 22 ft lbs. Thats easily achievable by hand.

Turn until you hear your wrist crack.