Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs

[Biggles]

Be kind to those who may be late returning to their car or find a new charger.
As Mr Conoplia from Evie says, "We understand this can be frustrating, however we're all EV drivers, reducing our environmental impact on the planet every day, so remember to be patient, polite and friendly".

[Williamson]

It takes all types ...

I was already running late but I needed to put some LPG into my EF Falcon ute on the way home from work (would have been in the late 90's).  Pull up at the Shell NW corner Maroondah Highway and Oban Road (Ringwood, VIC).  Busy that night, only coupla LPG bowsers, a long queue at one, only one car at the ULP in front of the other.  I pull up, patiently wait for the woman (these days, we might call her Karen), dicks around with the fuel, washes her windscreen, walks to the Shell Shop, returns to car to get purse, returns to Shell Shop.  I wait, wait, wait for her to return, no show.  I go to Shell Shop, see her on the Red Phone, walk up to her, ask her to move her car.  Karen says, excuse me, can't you see I'm talking? Me, I've been waiting for 10 minutes.  Karen, (loudly) eff off.

Well I snapped and must've been redder than the Red Phone, I push the silver button on the Red Phone and says, no you're not and whisper in her ear, now move your effing car or the bull bar on my car will.

First problem solved.

Second problem (my anger management) solved, but still surfaces from time to time. 

[ruSTynutz]

Why Tire Companies Love EVs

https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV

[ruSTynutz]

                            Enjoying The Easter Break! 


              EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...

[Shillas]

Never happens with ICE does it?

[cravenhaven]

                            Enjoying The Easter Break! 


              EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...

Apparently a Tesla club get together. They normally centre these around supercharger spots as this one is. In NSW they're often at the wineries that host superchargers.

[cravenhaven]

Why Tire Companies Love EVs

https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV

More garbage by anti EV people. Tyres last about the same distance as any other car of similar type. You can get the low noise type if you want to pay heaps, or just use standard tyres.

[ruSTynutz]

Never happens with ICE does it?

The difference is it doesn't take 20-30 minutes to refuel each individual ICE vehicle... 

Btw, apparently these cars were queued up because the servo was offering fuel at a much cheaper price than normal...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4954426/Huge-queues-stretch-outside-Perth-petrol-station.html

[ruSTynutz]

                            Enjoying The Easter Break! 


              EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...

Apparently a Tesla club get together. They normally centre these around supercharger spots as this one is. In NSW they're often at the wineries that host superchargers.

  Good try... https://tinyurl.com/yc2y98e7

[ruSTynutz]

Why Tire Companies Love EVs

https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV

More garbage by anti EV people. Tyres last about the same distance as any other car of similar type. You can get the low noise type if you want to pay heaps, or just use standard tyres.

I guess these companies are wrong then... 

Michelin says, and I quote:

On average, EVs will wear out a tire 20% faster than a comparable ICE vehicle.

Goodyear says:

Goodyear testing reveals that traditional tires can wear out up to 30% faster on electric vehicles due to the powerful, instant torque from electric motors and the additional vehicle weight from heavy battery packs.

Hyundai:

The tires of electric vehicles wear 20% faster than those of internal combustion engines, which is due to the acceleration of electric vehicles that generate strong instantaneous power.

[Wild Rose]

My Daughter has a Tesla3
Before Christmas she had to get new tyre's after 60,000km
So Dad to the rescue
We put Michelin as I like them, they come standard with them
I had Michelin on my Honda Jazz and sold it with 75,000km on it and it still passed a roadworthy but a Honda Jazz is much lighter and less power than the Tesla3
So I am guessing 60,000km out of a set of tyre's is not bad

[ruSTynutz]

Cheers Leo...60,000ks isn't too shabby!

I guess a lot of it comes down to how heavy a foot you have and also what sort of roads you drive on as well...

[Wild Rose]

She had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on it but had to put Pilot Sport 5's on it as the 4's are no longer available

[ruSTynutz]

She had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on it but had to put Pilot Sport 5's on it as the 4's are no longer available

I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! 

I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...

[cravenhaven]

I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! 

I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...

I paid $125 for the tyres on my Tesla 18 months ago. People spend ridiculous amounts on maintenance and upgrades with very little research all the time. It's what happens when you prefer ignorance over enlightenment.

[Wild Rose]

She had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on it but had to put Pilot Sport 5's on it as the 4's are no longer available

I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! 

I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...

I know they weren’t cheap, I just let my Daughter have part of her inheritance early

[ruSTynutz]

I paid $125 for the tyres on my Tesla 18 months ago. People spend ridiculous amounts on maintenance and upgrades with very little research all the time. It's what happens when you prefer ignorance over enlightenment.

Geez, are they Chinese home brand tyres or something? 
I'm surprised you could get a tyre anywhere for that price, especially considering the profile & wheel size on a Tesla!

I'm a bit of a believer you get what you pay for and really cheap tyres are a no no for me...

[ruSTynutz]

I know they weren’t cheap, I just let my Daughter have part of her inheritance early

 

[Skip]

My Daughter has a Tesla3
Before Christmas she had to get new tyre's after 60,000km
So Dad to the rescue
We put Michelin as I like them, they come standard with them
I had Michelin on my Honda Jazz and sold it with 75,000km on it and it still passed a roadworthy but a Honda Jazz is much lighter and less power than the Tesla3
So I am guessing 60,000km out of a set of tyre's is not bad

We had a 2015 Honda HRV. First set of tyres, 112,000km. We gave it to our daughter. Car has now 228,000. still on the 2nd set of tyres.

[ruSTynutz]

Are second-hand electric cars worth the value despite prices falling fast?

https://youtu.be/Vy_o5jxcjjY?si=i-ItXYphqWQmBmM8

[Skip]

Are second-hand electric cars worth the value despite prices falling fast?

https://youtu.be/Vy_o5jxcjjY?si=i-ItXYphqWQmBmM8

No thanks.

[Marcus]

So...
You guys know that "oil" is finite, right? That means it will run out.


So what do all of you guys laughing at EVs think is going to happen then when people can't use their cars anymore?

In my eye, it makes me think we need to start exploring various ways and methods we can use to transition to a new method of transport

I wonder if electricity could hold the answer, lets build some cars to find out

Oh, but wait... we can't do that because people will laugh at us and tell us it is all a big waste of time, so all those people posting funny photos and videos and pointing at the people trying to innovate and actually come up with an alternative, and even laugh at the people for adopting said new technology well they are crazy.

Kinda makes me wonder what would have happened if Thomas Edison had given up because of people laughing at his stupid light bulb, or The Wright Brothers because people showed them a cartoon in the paper stating horses are fast enough.

If you guys think EVs are no good, What's your solution, 47 years of oil left

[ruSTynutz]

All the minerals used in EV batteries (and obviously the rest of the vehicle) are finite too, just sayin' 

There's nothing wrong with exploring ways to transition but many believe EVs aren't a real viable option to replace ICE vehicles at this point due mainly to the obvious disadvantages of current batteries.
That's not to say there won't be breakthroughs in battery technology sometime in the future but at the moment EVs are, in my opinion, too expensive, weigh too much (compared to an ICE vehicle) and don't offer the range wanted by many people. Then there's also the lack of infrastructure, long-ish charge times, higher insurance premiums, expensive repair costs and the outrageous cost for a replacement battery.

And yes, I get that there are plenty of people out there that are happy with their EVs (and are prepared to live with their shortcomings) and good on them but at the end of the day there are just way too many disadvantages in owning an EV currently over an ICE car for this little black duck. 

That's my 2 bobs worth... 

[Marcus]

All the minerals used in EV batteries (and obviously the rest of the vehicle) are finite too, just sayin' 

For now, that's the only way we can make them, But we only have to make them once per car, as opposed to a car that uses a tank of fuel every week for the life of the car

There's nothing wrong with exploring ways to transition but many believe EVs aren't a real viable option to replace ICE vehicles at this point due mainly to the obvious disadvantages of current batteries.

So let's stop building and trying different versions and iterations. Let's stop trying to improve all the other systems a car needs just because one portion (battery) isn't as eco-friendly as it should be. why not keep going to and perfecting everything while the battery tech catches up?

How many times did SpaceX crash trying to perfect reusable autonomous landing of their rockets? should they have stopped after the first version because the tech wasn't there yet?

in my opinion, too expensive, weigh too much (compared to an ICE vehicle), and don't offer the range wanted by many people. Then there's also the lack of infrastructure, long-ish charge times, higher insurance premiums, expensive repair costs and the outrageous cost for a replacement battery.

Gee, that almost sounds exactly like what people said to people buying cars while they were driving their horse and buggy.

At the end of the day, there are just way too many disadvantages in owning an EV currently over an ICE car for this little black duck. 

The average person only commutes around 20-30K, so the handful of times they would drive enough distance to rechange while out on the road would be negligible

Sure there would be people who drive distance, EVs are not for them, in the same way as RAMs are not for inner-city

[ruSTynutz]

So let's stop building and trying different versions and iterations. Let's stop trying to improve all the other systems a car needs just because one portion (battery) isn't as eco-friendly as it should be. why not keep going to and perfecting everything while the battery tech catches up?

How many times did SpaceX crash trying to perfect reusable autonomous landing of their rockets? should they have stopped after the first version because the tech wasn't there yet?

There's also nothing stopping improvements for these other systems in ICE cars while we wait for better batteries...
 
Re your SpaceX comment, the difference is SpaceX aren't using the general public to iron out any issues...
Tesla, on the other hand are quite happy to use the public as guinea pigs to perfect their autonomous software!

Gee, that almost sounds exactly like what people said to people buying cars while they were driving their horse and buggy.

That's because the issues back then were probably just as relevant as they are now...

The average person only commutes around 20-30K, so the handful of times they would drive enough distance to rechange while out on the road would be negligible

Maybe so, but that doesn't negate all the other downsides such as mentioned earlier...

At the end of the day each of us have a different perspective and that's okay, but in saying that, there does seem to be growing concerns about EVs being the answer...
I guess time will tell...