Fairing Storage Pockets Heat Issue

[Streak]

I have come across a couple of solutions to fix the Heat Issue in the Pockets of the ST1300, I am keen to be able to use my lockable pocket to put items in rather than the can of soup i want to have for lunch...

Here is what i have found so far:

1. Removing the Inner Cowls (Taken From http://www.st1300.us.com/)

behind the front wheel, there are several screws and push pins holding the left and right cowls in. Nothing else has to be removed but you will have to take a tie wrap and secure the air temp senser on the right side. Yes, I recomend bracing the side fairing to the under heeadlight plasitic buy cutting off the front upper corner of each cowl and reinstalling with one screw and one pin as before. This will get back most of the stiffness to this area.

Link: http://www.st1300.us.com/showthread.php?t=2641

2. Insulating the Pockets themselves (taken from St-Owners.com)

I realize the HPS (Hot Pockets Syndrome) is addressed in a number of threads but I thought I would offer up my solutions which incorporated two different approaches.
After reading thread after thread about the HPS, the other heat around the ankles. I decided i was going to drill holes in the Inner cowls to allow more air through the outer cowl and hopefully allow more air to pass though taking some of the engine/exhaust heat with it. I do believe, as identified in yet another thread about heat, there is a pocket of low pressure around the foot pegs and ankle area.

I digress... one of the threads on here has pics of vents cut into the pocket covers/doors/lids. I liked the idea and agreed with the concept/premise. The pocket was an oven with no air flow. No fresh air, no place for the heated/hot air to escape naturally by principles of convection.

The mission: "vent" the pockets and hopefully address my HPS. Simply drilling a hole in the pocket alone was not acceptable to me. I wanted to keep it protect from the elements, including driving into the rain.

Link: http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?131227-My-HPS-(Hot-Pockets-Syndrome)-Fairing-pockets-Fixed-with-vents

What has anyone else tried? happy to hear solutions and ideas.

[Brock]

Get some of the foil insulation mat and fit to underside of pockets.

I dont like the idea of cutting holes when you arent installing things in them.

[Streak]

Get some of the foil insulation mat and fit to underside of pockets.

I dont like the idea of cutting holes when you arent installing things in them.

Agreed, i am just trying to find out what everyone else has done, the removing the inner cowls is different?

[Brock]

The Yanks are big on drilling holes, and removing panels. My thinking is they need thicker jeans.

[Neale]

Abe wrapped his in insulating material. Im sure he will have more to say on this when he spots the thread.   

[HunterTodd]

HeyGuys,

I will be doing the insulating the pie warmer thing over easter while I have the plastics off for a major service and hope the temp comes down enough so I can use a usb port which I will also be installing in the left hand pocket.

My daughter had an Xh XR6 ute which had these natty little cooling ducts for the front brakes. They consisted of a flat nozzle about 100 by 25 which tapered down to a flexible hose about 300 to 400 long and about 40 mm in diameter.

I was thinking about fitting a pair of them in behind the triangular shaped grill below the radiator and directing the flow to the pockets.

What do you reckon my learned friends good idea or waste of time and money?

Thanks,
Todd

[HunterTodd]

Further to my earlier post,

I just looked on ebay and there are heaps of brake ducts and tubes of all different shapes and sizes.

[STroppy]

The ST1100 has a couple of airscoops and hoses that maybe could be adapted to assist in cooling the piewarmers . . . Not sure what they would cost new . . . 

[Streak]

i am up for any ideas! good stuff so far, the insulating thing has me curious, would you do inside and outside, or both?

[Brock]

A bit hard to modify the inside, as you would lose storage space

[Abe]

outside.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Heat-shield-Motorcycle-fairing-universal-100x25cm-Honda-ST1100-ABS-ST1300-/161140860598?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2584be66b6

one will do both pockets.

Difference ? yes, but not a lot.

[HunterTodd]

Hi Abe,

Is the difference enough that it would let you keep electrical gear in there like phones.

 That is what I am after. I have the insulation so I will do it anyway but it would be nice to have your opinion.

I will be wrapping the entire box.

Still it is annoying that in this day and age that Honda have not addressed this issue.

[Brock]

Maybe a double layer Streak, or a layer of 6mmpolystyrene against the plastic, and the foil over that. Should be able to keep ice with that combo.   

[ST2UP]

I havn't worried about the heat in the pie warmer at this stage as the bits and pieces carried in ours are not effected by heat. I do have a fuse block in the (R) side and and a cig lighter, but in over 30,000 k on this bike has been no issue......As we dont charge the Handheld UHF on the move I charge when stopped so plug in and open the (R) lid to access cig plug......as most heat is generated once stopped this allows the heat to escape.

We cannot prevent the engine from displacing heat......by insulating a particular area, the heat created anyway just moves elsewhere....is it then effecting another area with increased heat that we cannot see that is already exposed to heat....wiring etc ??

My plan if I was to address the heat issue in the pie warmer would not be to insulated.....but allow the heat in and straight out again by creating a venturie effect. Consider the principal idea of the Whirlybird on industrial sheds or to combat dust and heat in the canopy area of a ute.....I have already acheived this in a basic way by having a hole high at the front of the inside of the pocket with a gromet that the wiring passes through that allows air in and another at the rear of the pocket at the lowest point to allow any moisture to drain, that allows air out......the passing of air through draws some of the hot air out.

just say'in 


 

[HunterTodd]

hey guys,

 being an ideas guy here is one completely from left field would solve the heat problem permanently.  i just have to work out if i am game enough  to try it


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooler-Cooling-Peltier-Plate-Module-12V-60W-Heat-Sink-/161125509772?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2583d42a8c&_uhb=1

go from a pie warmer to a stubby cooler.  leave one hot and one cold and you will have nirvana, cold beer hot pies

[Gadget]

Quote from: HunterTodd on 12 April 2014, 16:14:18<blockquote>hey guys,

 being an ideas guy here is one completely from left field would solve the heat problem permanently.  i just have to work out if i am game enough  to try it


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooler-Cooling-Peltier-Plate-Module-12V-60W-Heat-Sink-/161125509772?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2583d42a8c&_uhb=1

go from a pie warmer to a stubby cooler.  leave one hot and one cold and you will have nirvana, cold beer hot pies
</blockquote>




You would still have to insulate the rest of the pocket.  The hot side of the Peltier cell will need a heat sink to disperse the heat.  I suspect you would probably need more than one cell to get it to work.  If the hot side can't get enough cool air to disperse the heat, it won't work efficiently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling

[HunterTodd]

Thanks Gadget,

We use big finned heatsinks on some of our gear at work so I was planning to use one of those

 From memory those pockets are a removable item. I might see if I can buy a pair off a wrecked bike and have a crack.

Would be a good project.

I expect you would need some sort of thermostat as well while a think of it.

[Brock]

You would have to cut a hole in the pocket, or maybe glue the cold side to the plastic, but I dont think it woudl be very efficient glued on.

P.S>  Jumbo economy package.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-x-TEC1-12706-12V-60W-72W-Thermoelectric-Cooler-Cooling-Peltier-Module-NEW/400499408617?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982

[HunterTodd]

yes Brock

I would cut a hole the size of the pleltier module in the plastic and bolt the much larger heat sink to the outside, You need conductive paste between the two.

The modules consume about 60 watts so I have to check whether the 5 amp draw is ok. They other thing I would need to check is how much heat they can reject. They can only maintain a certain temp differential ( I think about ten  degrees)  so the whole thing could be pointless if it is too hot outside the box. I would position the module near the top of the box on the front so there is natural convection inside the box and the heat sink is in the ariflow.

I would control the whole thing with a fuse and relay which takes a signal from somewhere that is live when the engine is running.

Stuff is so cheap these days I can buy a digital temp controller from china for 6 bucks including postage. The ip 67 rated box to fit it all in is the most expensive thing!

All up the parts can be had for 30 to 40 bucks including postage.

 Technically it is not that hard but I will only have will have a crack if i can get a left hand box off a wrecked bike. anyone know of one.

I don't want to cut mine up and find it doesn't work! 

 If it did it would be a seriously cool farkle! Pardon the pun!

[Gadget]

I would position the module near the top of the box on the front so there is natural convection inside the box and the heat sink is in the ariflow.

Perhaps mount it to the pocket lid.  That would give the best temperature differential.

Two downsides I see are,
1.  it might get in the way of the handle bars, unless you got handle bar riser fitted.
2.  The heat-sink could be dangerous in an unexpected but very rapid dismount. 

[Couch]

I've never found the heat in the pockets to be a problem, but then I don't keep anything in the pockets that would be effected by heat anyway.  So what do I keep in them, apart from a couple of pies and a chiko roll.......not a real lot I guess, in the left pocket I keep a spare set of reading glasses, my ST Owners manual, a set of allen keys, pen and paper, small pack of tissues, and a dozen or so rubber bands, (not really sure what they're for), and in the right hand side I keep a side stand puck attached to a length of cord that I can attach to my left handgrip, if ever needed, (never been needed), also a small pressure spray bottle of spectacle lens cleaner, and a cleaning rag for a quick clean of my visor anytime we might have a stop, and from memory that's about it! I have a reasonable size tank bag that I'm able to carry other loose items in, and with power from the bikes battery connected through the bag via a Powerlet, I'm able to charge my phone, ipod, etc, while underway from within the bag. Any items that just might be effected by heat, such as my Drift Ghost & remote, small digital camera, etc, I carry locked in my topbox.

[Roadrunner]

I could not believe how hot these buggers get. Put a few things in there on the run up to Esk and could not believe how hot they were.
Like everyone I seek a solution to the problem. Might just try removing the inner cowlings first and see what happens.
The same set up on my GTR1000 was perfect. Hard to believe HONDA got this part of the bike so wrong.

[Couch]

I have an easy fix mate, move to the Apple Isle, you'll never have the problem again

I could not believe how hot these buggers get. Put a few things in there on the run up to Esk and could not believe how hot they were.
Like everyone I seek a solution to the problem. Might just try removing the inner cowlings first and see what happens.
The same set up on my GTR1000 was perfect. Hard to believe HONDA got this part of the bike so wrong.

[Roadrunner]

AHhhh If my circumstances were different I would be living in NZ or Canberra Couch.
But that's another story. I envy you your climate.
Nice up here on The Tweed but don't like the humidity in summer.

[Yorkie]

Stumbled across this site, it may help the 1300 owners
http://www.donferrario.com/st1300/