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New Trailer Options
« on: March 09, 2014, 02:25:35 PM »
Since I have now started work we are looking at upgrading to a camper trailer for the bike in the near future.

I have found three that might fit the bill and all have their good and bad points.

These two can be converted to a cargo only trailer plus on board power options

http://eliteproducts.com.au/products/campers/sprinter-sport/

This one has the storage up front for an esky etc.

http://eliteproducts.com.au/products/campers/limited-edition/

This one is pretty basic but not much room for storage and I like the idea of the solid roof that is the floor of the tent area when it's opened up.

http://www.cubcampers.com.au/the-range/kamparoo/junior

So is there anything else out there that Google hasn't found and does anyone have/had one of these?





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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 02:45:49 PM »
The second Elite looks like the Taj Mahal in a box.....

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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 04:33:31 PM »
Here is another to seriously consider....
http://www.timeouttrailersaustralia.com.au/

I had an Elite, top of the range Taj Mahal. For me it was too big and heavy and too difficult to set up but they are popular.
The timeout was easy to set up, lightweight, and had the bonus of solid floor. Had top of the line model with extra L awning and extra straight out awning. Was also easy to fit electric brakes to it for about $300 and made a huge difference, tap your rear brake with the bias set properly and the trailer starts pulling you up in a nice straight line.
Towed both of these behind a Kawasaki Vulcan 2000lt and the timeout with brakes was awesome. Also towed both behind various other ST style bikes and the Elite was always a handful where as the timeout was just too easy.

This is only my personal experience, and like I said, plenty of elite's getting around, but timeouts are becoming far more popular and even I can set one up in 11mins and pack up in 14 minutes which was the winner for me when videoed doing it at the Newcastle Ulysses AGM.

Still have this one http://www.bandicoots.com.au/ which is an absolute gem, carry's heaps.

Also with all my trailers I have had fitted a Thumper 80amp battery, charging whilst travelling from an Anderson plug off the bike and from 120/130watt solar panels when camped. I carry the solar panels, table and chairs all packed in a bag on top of all the trailers. I also run an Anderson plug from the thumper to a 40ltr Waeco fridge/freezer mounted on the drawbar. Can camp for days on end. Also have equipped them with a 3/4kg gas bottle holder on the rear thus enabling a nice 2-3 burner stove to be carried around.

Best of luck with whatever you choose. PM me for any photos and further info.

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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 04:40:04 PM »
I have the Elite camper with tapered nose cone, and a Mate in town has the Cub Camper.
A point of difference to consider is the width of the bed.
With the Cub Camper the unit folds rearwards so the width of the bed is restricted to the width of the trailer. If you and your sleeping friend are of the bigger persuasion then you wont sleep comfortable like, due to lack of room. :crazy

With the Elite the bed folds out to the side and is as wide as the length of the unit, and folds out into a queen size base which allows for plenty of room. PitSTop is very happy with it and we have also used a thicker 6 inch foam mattress for added comfort :thumbsup
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 06:51:08 PM »
Heather found this one this afternoon. Similar to the Elite but not as expensive

http://www.austrackcampers.com.au/scout-motorbike-camper-trailer/
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 11:04:21 AM »
Hey Allan, looks to be a great product, but it's a huge tent and would probably take a while to erect, which is fine for an extended stay, but perhaps overkill for an overnighter.

My mate recently picked up a used Classic Camper in Queensland for $4000, it looks to be the goods but haven't seen it yet as it's on it's way to Tassie road freight at the moment, should be here later this week and I'll report on it once it arrives and I can get to have a squiz at it! :grin

Heather found this one this afternoon. Similar to the Elite but not as expensive

http://www.austrackcampers.com.au/scout-motorbike-camper-trailer/
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 11:14:06 AM »
Just noticed Motorcycle version is $5999  (still a good buy)....couldn't see any weight specification!
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 11:53:48 AM »
Hey Allan, looks to be a great product, but it's a huge tent and would probably take a while to erect, which is fine for an extended stay, but perhaps overkill for an overnighter.



I think you'll notice that an annexe is attached for the longer stays. For an overnight stop you would either leave it home or not put it up.
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2014, 12:25:23 AM »
Alan, if your thinking of an upgrade, what are you intentions to do with old trailer??? Just a thought.

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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2014, 11:14:11 AM »
Alan, if your thinking of an upgrade, what are you intentions to do with old trailer??? Just a thought.

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At the moment I'm planning on keeping it but that may change and it will depend on how well the camper trailer performs as a cargo trailer as there are times when we take the trailer for shopping and/or fishing. Now that I'm back at work that may not be so much of an issue now.
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2014, 03:12:00 PM »
We only seriously considered one option when looking for a motorcycle camper, the Elite.   

Had a brief look at the Flying Fish camper tent http://www.flyingfishcampers.com.au/motor-bike-campers/ (because a mate [Bob] has one), but they didn't supply a trailer so for me that wasn't a viable option.  Bob is handy with tools and welding aluminium, so that part was easy for him.

The Elite ticks all of my (and Mrs Williamsons') boxes - light weight, disc brakes, easy to set-up (quicker solo, perhaps that's because of less arguments, err discussion), queen size bed, annex, esky on draw bar.

We bought a second hand unit.  Ours is an earlier model which is an aluminium checker plate box on an aluminium chassis with some steel reinforcing bars on the draw bar.

The later units with the gal steel chassis are heavier.  I been told that the weight is kept down by using lighter canvas.

On a recent two week Tassie Tour I found setting-up the camper and bed quicker (usually about one stubby) than my mate setting-up his dome tent, stretcher, exped mat and sleeping bag.  This is because the bed (queen size bed, fitted lambs wool under-lay, fitted sheet and doona) is basically set-up in the camper.

There are (were) plenty of second hand units in the Ulysses classifieds, you probably have not got much to loose by checking.

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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 03:20:49 PM »
Photos Michael, photos!! We need to see what you're on about!! :grin

I hope you enjoyed your Tassie tour mate, sorry we didn't get to catch up, I know how difficult it is when you're riding with others and time becomes a problem!

We only seriously considered one option when looking for a motorcycle camper, the Elite.   

Had a brief look at the Flying Fish camper tent http://www.flyingfishcampers.com.au/motor-bike-campers/ (because a mate [Bob] has one), but they didn't supply a trailer so for me that wasn't a viable option.  Bob is handy with tools and welding aluminium, so that part was easy for him.

The Elite ticks all of my (and Mrs Williamsons') boxes - light weight, disc brakes, easy to set-up (quicker solo, perhaps that's because of less arguments, err discussion), queen size bed, annex, esky on draw bar.

We bought a second hand unit.  Ours is an earlier model which is an aluminium checker plate box on an aluminium chassis with some steel reinforcing bars on the draw bar.

The later units with the gal steel chassis are heavier.  I been told that the weight is kept down by using lighter canvas.

On a recent two week Tassie Tour I found setting-up the camper and bed quicker (usually about one stubby) than my mate setting-up his dome tent, stretcher, exped mat and sleeping bag.  This is because the bed (queen size bed, fitted lambs wool under-lay, fitted sheet and doona) is basically set-up in the camper.

There are (were) plenty of second hand units in the Ulysses classifieds, you probably have not got much to loose by checking.


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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2014, 03:56:21 PM »
Just noticed Motorcycle version is $5999  (still a good buy)....couldn't see any weight specification!

I asked about the weight and it comes in at 286kg. Everything packs in on top of the lid leaving the trailer body free for your gear.

I am yet still to decide which one to buy but it will be either the Elite or the Austrack one.
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2014, 04:40:38 PM »
Photos Michael, photos!! We need to see what you're on about ......










The compliance plate indicates that the tare (unladen trailer) weight is 120kg.  From memory the weight of what's in the pics, ie. the trailer and the camper tent (canvas and steel frame), the annex (canvas and steel & aluminium poles), pegs & ropes and esky is around 185kg all-up. 

I hope you enjoyed your Tassie tour .....


What, enjoy this?

Southport:


Waterhouse Road:


Sure did!!!

More details in ride report, when all pics have been uploaded.

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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2014, 04:42:38 PM »
286kg plus gear (say nearly 460kg all up to tow?) is getting a bit high to tow behind an ST, even if the trailer has brakes . . .
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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2014, 04:44:57 PM »
If you keep the trailer and gear to about 230ish kg, it should be OK . . . With brakes . .
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2014, 05:01:13 PM »
286kg plus gear (say nearly 460kg all up to tow?) is getting a bit high to tow behind an ST, even if the trailer has brakes . . .

That's around 174kg of extra gear, even Mrs W wouldn't want that much extra ......

The most we had ever put "in" and "on" the old Classic trailer for a trip was 120kg of gear.  This included a tent, an awning, a market style gazebo and an inflatable air bed & pump - probably around 30kg of items not needed with the Elite camper trailer. 

Extra gear on the recent Tassie trip would have been around 90kg, thus the ST would have been towing around 270 - 280kg.
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2014, 08:55:51 PM »
Nice looking trailer . . . Does the ST have any trouble towing it?

 I asked a couple of the camping trailer salesmen at the Mildura Ulysses AGM about towing their camping trailers with my ST1100 and they said it would be line ball and suggested a heavier bike would be better.

Brakes would help but they were not really interested in selling me one.

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2014, 09:25:25 PM »
Dont forget, for safety the weight of the trailer laden isnt to exceed the unladen weight of the bike (towing vehicle) unless fitted with brakes
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2014, 09:38:48 PM »
I think I'd be happier with a laden trailer weight of about 2/3 that of the towing motorbike especially when towing at speed thru hilly winding roads even more so if in the wet . . .
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2014, 12:17:54 PM »
Nice looking trailer . . . Does the ST have any trouble towing it?

 I asked a couple of the camping trailer salesmen at the Mildura Ulysses AGM about towing their camping trailers with my ST1100 and they said it would be line ball and suggested a heavier bike would be better.

Brakes would help but they were not really interested in selling me one.

Thanks!

No trouble towing it with the ST1300.  Overall, easier than with the CB1300.  This is ( I think) because of the additional weight of the ST (331kg v 273kg), but (as mentioned in an earlier thread) not as much pulling power as the CB, although I put this down to the ST's much taller gearing.

The 317kg or 327kg for the ST1100 (non-ABS v ABS) should be weighty enough, and have the power necessay for an Elite camper trailer.

Brakes are a must on a trailer of this size being towed behind a motorcycle.  Don't need brakes when towing behind my Ford Ranger, just the fluro flag (because I can't see it otherwise).

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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2014, 08:36:33 PM »
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 the Flying Fish camper would fit nicely on my trailer. :thumbsup

I have been towing this trailer for 6 yrs without brakes and never really felt the need for them.. >:()  :eek
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Re: New Trailer Options
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2014, 09:07:15 PM »
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 the Flying Fish camper would fit nicely on my trailer. :thumbsup

I have been towing this trailer for 6 yrs without brakes and never really felt the need for them.. >:()  :eek


I'm guessing there's not much weight in that one Johnny.

Also guessing you might need to raise and lengthen the sides of the trailer to mount a camper tent similar to the Elite or the Flying Fish.












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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2014, 09:30:26 PM »
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I'm guessing there's not much weight in that one Johnny.

Also guessing you might need to raise and lengthen the sides of the trailer to mount a camper tent similar to the Elite or the Flying Fish.

 
Micheal, I measured my trailer and going on Flying Fish specs :think1 I would only have to change front panel of my trailer, move it 15 cm towards ball and angle it to existing corners for better areoDy...'s ...the tent frame will mount directly onto my box  with hinges for side opening..
I dont think I would want higher sides, adding 6" or so of camper tent will make it high enuff. I'm not tall     :thumbs,
 unladen my trailer is light...
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