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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mr2u on April 03, 2016, 10:50:15 PM
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Just a quick question.
Whats the rule with "Headlights On" in WA. Is it a compulsory thing, or a (smart) Choice.
The reason i ask, i have a 1300P and have removed the screw that stops you from turning them off. This is so if i need the ignition on, motor off, i don,t flatten the battery.
Mr2u
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ON by law, Australia-wide. Sorrio. There was a campaign in NSW and VIC a few years ago opposing the law, but it lost. Dunno why they had a problem with it, myself. A Volvo experiment years ago proved lights on effectively reduced head-on crashes.
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I believe the answer is somewhere in ADR 55.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02302
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I believe the answer is somewhere in ADR 55.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02302 (https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02302)
Hmm. This Australian Design Rule (ADR) actually prescribes the photometric requirements for headlamps which are provided for motor cycles. I can't find a reference to their being lit.
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I believe the answer is somewhere in ADR 55.
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02302 (https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2006L02302)
Hmm. This Australian Design Rule (ADR) actually prescribes the photometric requirements for headlamps which are provided for motor cycles. I can't find a reference to their being lit.
I didn't have time to read it all and couldn't search it well on the phone.
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:think1 I don't know why manufacturers don't just set up all vehicles with headlights on. Its way safer. I can give an example to support that.
In the 90's, when I worked for Telstra, they were a self insurer, i.e didn't use insurance companies. They decided to order all their company vehicles, and lease vehicles, with the "headlights always on" feature.
That one little change reduced their accident rate by 50% that year saving them millions in vehicle repairs and reducing the number of injured staff who required compensation. :clap
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What screw can be removed to allow lights to be turned off????
There isnt a switch fitted to turn lights on or off, only high or low beam.
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On my new :wht13 there is a switch that turns the headlight on and off.
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Not sure if the link will work, stolen from another page.
http://my-mc-phoenix.com/my_mc/images/1/75376.jpg (http://my-mc-phoenix.com/my_mc/images/1/75376.jpg)
But this is the switch block and there was a small self tapper inserted under the toggle (5) to prevent it from being turned off.
The ADR talks about type, and placement and so on but nothing about if they are "Required by Law" to be on all the time.
Some new bikes do not have the option to turn off, Some have been modified like mine. Have i broken the Law by removing this Screw is what i really want to know.
20 Years ago i was part of the movement to encourage ALL fellow riders to turn "Headlights On", I will always RIDE with it on, i just want the option to turn it of while working on it.
Mr2u
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My understanding is that it is not compulsory for a motorcycle to have its headlight hardwired to the ignition and therefore be on during the daytime.
ADR 19/01 introduced in 1992 made it compulsory for motorcycle headlamps to be hardwired to the ignition but was repealed in 1997 and replaced by ADR 19/02 so the use of a headlamp on low beam for motorcycles during daylight hours is optional.
It is still a requirement in many other countries to have m/cycle headlamps hardwired so we just have them imported that way.
To be on the safe side check with your local traffic authority.
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My understanding is that it is not compulsory for a motorcycle to have its headlight hardwired to the ignition and therefore be on during the daytime.
ADR 19/01 introduced in 1992 made it compulsory for motorcycle headlamps to be hardwired to the ignition but was repealed in 1997 and replaced by ADR 19/02 so the use of a headlamp on low beam for motorcycles during daylight hours is optional.
It is still a requirement in many other countries to have m/cycle headlamps hardwired so we just have them imported that way.
To be on the safe side check with your local traffic authority.
You just got in before me.
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I could switch the headlight off on The Nevermind Tours Royal Enfield I rode on Sunday.
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Some of mine have an 'off' switch for the headlight. Last two I bought (2013 and 2015) have off switches. I still ride with the light on, even if I have to manually turn it on.
Glen, what did you think of the Enfield?
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Some of mine have an 'off' switch for the headlight. Last two I bought (2013 and 2015) have off switches. I still ride with the light on, even if I have to manually turn it on.
Glen, what did you think of the Enfield?
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ADR 19/02
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2005L04012
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Some of mine have an 'off' switch for the headlight. Last two I bought (2013 and 2015) have off switches. I still ride with the light on, even if I have to manually turn it on.
Glen, what did you think of the Enfield?
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Thanks.
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Ah, Mr2u, that switch block, is a police switch assy. Some one has done a mod to use the 5 switch as a headlight switch.
Normaly, the 5 switch is used to supply power to the siren amp and radio package. Also putting in a screw is far from normal.
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Just found this thread which was handy as I was gonna ask the question as to whether the police ST had a on/off headlight switch.
From reading this thread it would seem so...
I've often wondered how hard it would be to have an on/off switch put in...now I'm wondering what my chances are of picking up a "police" switch block and swapping things over...Hmmm... :think1
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The police bikes have the switch, but its not used for lights but the strobes and siren. Headlights are on all the time, except for crank.
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Thanks for the info, Brock! :thumbs
Bit confused though as Pete said his turns the headlight on and off... :/
It would probably be cheaper and easier to just mount an extra switch to turn off the headlight... :/
I'll add it to my list of things to do one day... :wink1
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On my 1100 I installed a relay in the light circuit operated by the side stand switch, stand down headlight off, stand up light on.
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Thanks for that, Yorkie...I really want to be able to ride with the headlight off though...
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Thanks for that, Yorkie...I really want to be able to ride with the headlight off though...
Why? Personally I have the lights on regardless of what I am riding/driving, hail or shine, or time of day. Many signs around rural South Australia say "see and be seen" and I tend to agree.
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Why? Because at certain times I believe it can actually be safer... :thumb
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How so?
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One example...obviously depending on the road and weather conditions, there are situations when I believe having a headlight on doesn't help and can actually make it dangerous, such as when the sun is behind you...
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I have just had a look at the 1100P wiring diagram, and the headlight wiring doesnt go any where near the right switch block, so wiring in one of the switches to control the lights wont be an easy job.
It could be done, but it would mean stripping the bike to get at the wiring to replace/ modify the circuit.
To do it properly, you would need to get the proper crimping tools for the pins used in the relays and source the pins.
In the normal bike, power goes from the fuse box ( Fuse C) to the normaly closed contacts on the start button, to the Hi/Lo relays, and the hi lo switch to enable the selected relay . On some variants, the headlight wiring doesnt go to the start switch but directly to the relays and HiLo switch.
P.S. some might find that the high beam flash switch doesnt work. That is because the flasher switch has been used as the radio transmit switch.
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Thanks for that...it definitely sounds like a simple on/off switch is the go then... ++
Maybe something like this: https://tinyurl.com/yde4v2wt or this: https://tinyurl.com/y8k29wf7 although I don't think there'd be enough room for the second one because of the throttle lock I have on my ST...
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Well they would do the job, but frankley, I dont think the effort is worth the result. But then, I like to have the lights on.
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I'm sure many would agree with you, Brock...but I'd like to have the option. :thumbsup
I know at the time the Government first introduced compulsory "lights on" back in the early 90's many riders couldn't see what the issue was as many rode with their headlight on during the day anyhow. I don't think they gave possible downsides or even possible insurance issues if involved in an accident a thought...
Anyhow, as you probably know, due to the lack of any real evidence of it being beneficial the law was later repealed.
While I'm happy to concede that having your light on during the day makes your motorcycle more visible from a distance, that's not where most motorcycle accidents happen, they tend to be much closer such as for example cars turning right across the path of a motorcycle where a headlight is not as visible.