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OzSTOC News & Rider Assistance => OzSTOC News & Events... => Topic started by: Diesel on March 21, 2012, 09:14:32 AM
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An older article now - but for those who have missed it - this baby should keep the FJR1300 and the GTR1400 REAL honest!....
(http://i40.tinypic.com/64p92x.jpg)
Here is a link to the article....
http://dalefranks.com/cycles/index.php/tag/st1300/ (http://dalefranks.com/cycles/index.php/tag/st1300/)
You gettin one?
Cheers, Diesel
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I noted with enthusiasm the 2012 VFR1200 has a bigger tank.
So it appears that Mr Honda is listening.
Could we have a rival for the STeed.
Yep the tank has an extra 400mL :fp
Ummm, NO thanks :p
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A few of us are on this forum http://ww2.my-mc.com/index (http://ww2.my-mc.com/index) as well and just looking down the index of bikes the ST1100 would have the stongest following based on the number of posts and topics with 1300 an easy second place.
If the 1300 couldn't sway 1100 owners to upgrade their bikes (some did, but most didn't) the new 1200 in it's current form certainly won't.
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The '12 version has been upgraded and up-spec'd - read about it here....
http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012-honda-vfr-1200-f-peview (http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012-honda-vfr-1200-f-peview)
127kW - hmmmm! That's a lot better than our paltry 125hp! :think1
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The VFR1200 is a whole new ballgame compared to the ST13. Having now ridden both, a VFR1200 that is not detuned, has a bigger fuel tank and all the other good ST bits that others now have (integrated cruise, ABS, traction control etc) would be great, at a competitive price. The VFR1200 is detuned in the lower gears so that needs to go.
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Finally!! The digital readout is legible in sunlight. Why didn't they start using LCD years ago??
Have to agree I hate the muffler's appearance.
I can't see how it could replace the Tourer part of Sports Tourer unless there's a lot of baggage that can be hung on that skinny ass.
Sounds like the gear change system would require a bit of familiarisation.
Integrated Cruise Control and gear position indicator. Nice to have.
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127kW - hmmmm! That's a lot better than our paltry 125hp!
That even beats the 110kW of my Blackbird. :crazy
And I have trouble holding onto that one at full throttle :o
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On my way to pick up the Friday fish and chips tonight and the Plodmobile Portrait maker was still out where I saw him 3 hours earlier. There's a campaign afoot, because I think I've seen more radar-revenue-raisers in the past week than in the past 3 months. And it's not just because I'm still stinging from my interview with Plod.
Ooops, that's a :hijacked
But it comes to mind because I'm wondering what I could possibly use more horses for!! :eek
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now now BGL's
dont be like that
we all have tomake a living somehow
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Well..... with this as the only Honda option for the next Sports Tourer.......
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Honda_VFR1200F_with_Dress-up_Parts_and_Accessories.jpg/800px-Honda_VFR1200F_with_Dress-up_Parts_and_Accessories.jpg)
...reckon I might be changing brands. With an 18.2L fuel tank - you don't even get 300km out of a tank!
It still looks like you could spend >$5K in farkles and 'Long Distance' comforts, and although linked brakes an ABS are standard - the inclusions are not on par with the GTR1400 - let alone the Beemer. But Honda does offer an automatic!
C'mon Honda!!! :||||
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Perhaps wait until the covers come off http://powersports.honda.com/ (http://powersports.honda.com/)
Supposedly new/current models for the Milan show. They might introduce something decent :wht11
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I can't understand the reasoning behind a V4 being mounted transversally on a bike as it means two 90 degree gear sets in the drive line rather than just the one like the one we have in the 1100, 1300 and 'wing. Also having exhaust on one side makes the bike look unbalanced and that's aside from the overall ugliness of it.
My 1100 though dated would never be replaced with that. Though if had the cash to give my bike a make-over that motor and 6 speed dual clutch box would be something to consider.
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I would be quite happy to dabble in fitting an EFI system, except it seems like there is nothing that bolts in or is close enough. Anyway, I would prefer stronger front brakes first.
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...I would prefer stronger front brakes first.
The VFR1200 certainly has that. 1st application of brakes in my test ride nearly had me going over the handle bars.... scared the crap out of me :o
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I can't understand the reasoning behind a V4 being mounted transversally on a bike ...
The design has cylinders 2 & 3 between the legs, and 1 & 4 towards the front - this makes the bike quite narrow (better in traffice, peg scraping, etc.). Given the total abundance of power in the thing, I guess they felt a few horses lost through the linkage wouldn't matter.
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I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them. They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling. They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike. Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some think they are nice some think revolting, that's human nature. Performance - Great. Problem with manufacturs now is, they build a one vehicle platform, then adapt it to suit differing markets. Car manufacturers do it, now bikes manufacturers. The VFR1200 one of those, in one version it is a quasi sports bike, come commuter, come tourer. One bike, many versions, The way of the future I'm afraid because of costs in development.
The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purposes or different versions.
The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valves and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust. Anyway my 2c worth.
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I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them. They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling. They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike. Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some thing they are nice some think revolting, that human nature. Performance - Great. Problem with manufacturs now is the build a one vehicle platform then adapt it to suit differing markets. Car manufacturers do it, now bikes. The VFR1200 in one version is a quasi sports bike, come commuter come tourer. The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purpose or different versions.
The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valveds and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust. Anyway my 2c worth.
Excellent insight. Good to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about AND can see bikes from our perspective.
Don't even think about leaving the Forum! :thumbs
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Sounds like an ST. Muffler looks like crap.
I do like the side sided swing arm/ shaft drive.
The ST is truly safe from any competition.
:blu13
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Agree with this assessment. I have ridden the VFR1200 and the X version. They did not really do much for me, apart from realising how great the weather protection of the ST is. Interesting about the servicing, as I wondered about how the motocross derived valve train would be serviced.
The BMW1600 is expensive in the Goldwing territory, but the Triumph Trophy will be ST13/FJR/.GTR price wise with all the extras as standard. (check out the NEWS section here http://www.mcnews.com.au/ (http://www.mcnews.com.au/) as the price is around $26K) FJR also has had a decent makeover http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2013-yamaha-fjr1300a-review-91462.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2013-yamaha-fjr1300a-review-91462.html)
Honda need to do something. I think I will need to try the FJR and Trophy before even considering a leap to the Goldwing one day.
I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them. They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling. They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike. Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some think they are nice some think revolting, that's human nature. Performance - Great. Problem with manufacturs now is, they build a one vehicle platform, then adapt it to suit differing markets. Car manufacturers do it, now bikes manufacturers. The VFR1200 one of those, in one version it is a quasi sports bike, come commuter, come tourer. One bike, many versions, The way of the future I'm afraid because of costs in development.
The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purposes or different versions.
The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valves and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust. Anyway my 2c worth.
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I like the Triumph small write up from an ordinary biker not me not a journo but a ST1300 rider:-
As a result of some previous contacts, I got invited to the Triumph factory in Hinkley, Leicestershire, on Friday 12th October to try-out a pre-production version of the new Triumph Trophy. I was told I was the first member of the general public to ride this bike as it has only been ridden by factory personnel, plus trade and press representatives thus far. This model is aimed fair and square at the touring market, and has in its sights competitive models such as BMW R1200GT and BMW K1600 as well of course as the Honda Pan European.
My first impressions have been as follows:
ENGINE: Not as smooth as the Pan, but pulls well and will rev as far as 10,000rpm, so there is more rev range to play with through the corners. However it is not quite as torquey as the ST1300, but probably similar to the ST1100.
GEARBOX: Six-speed. Very good. I don't think I missed a single gear.
RIDING POSITION/SEAT. Similar to an ST1300 with handlebar risers. The seat is flatter and more comfortable than a standard ST1300.
WIND PROTECTION: Very good for the rider. Not tested as a pillion.
MIRRORS: Similar to the ST1300 standard, which means you do get a bit of a view of hands and bar levers.
PANNIERS/TOP BOX: Extra power sockets in front fairing pocket and top-box look useful.
AUDIO: In-built speakers are not to my taste. Do I really want to ride around like a mobile discotheque? I think fitting an Autocom unit to this bike would be essential so you can hard-wire sat-nav, helmet speakers, etc. and not worry about the vagaries of blue-tooth and having to charge-up head-set batteries.
ELECTRONICS: Loads of stuff including radio, and all sorts of options for displaying trip information/mileage/fuel consumption as well as gear position, tyre pressure, digital speed and air temperature. I didn't get to try the cruise control.
CONTROLS/RIDE-BY-WIRE: This bike has a ride-by-wire throttle. However I don't think you would know that unless told. Fuelling seemed very smooth at low throttle openings for manoeuvring in car parks and at junctions. The rest of the controls, including hydraulic clutch, seemed to work well.
HANDLING: The bike went where I pointed it with no surprises. I left it in 'normal' damping mode which can be varied whilst riding. The Pirelli ST Angel tyres seem to suit the bike very well.
All-in-all I think Triumph have made a very good first attempt at creating a dedicated shaft-driven tourer. Fuel capacity and economy seem to be about right and I am certain Triumph are going to do well with this bike. Honda had better look-out!
Derek French.
And a follow up:-
Dropping the bike was discussed. The bike doesn't have the tip-over wings like a Pan which I think is a shame as the bike is very good in so many other areas.The frame on the Triumph is just 11kgs, and instead the engine is used as part of the frame. Adding the extra metalwork for side crashbars has been viewed as not so desirable for weight reasons. A French jounalist who dropped the bike at a standstill did some minor damage, but (I am told) the fairing did well at taking the strain and bounced right back into shape. The tips of the mirror pods CAN be replaced and the panniers are double-skinned and (I think) the outer skin which has the paint can be replaced.
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Honda need to do something. I think I will need to try the FJR and Trophy before even considering a leap to the Goldwing one day.
They are both very impressive advances in technology, that's for sure. The FJR has got all the goods, including the electric screen. I'd probably go with it rather than the Triumph just because it comes from a solid lineage of FJRs.
The Goldwing is in a different class. It moves away from the sport aspect towards the comfort touring mode. But it still hasn't quite got the refinement in equipment the new FJR boasts.
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Having ridden the Goldwing I don't think it is that different a class. It is bigger and heavier but I did not feel I would go any slower on it that the ST in the riding I would do. I rode the older GTR and it felt fine, but it was just another inline 4 (having had one since 1980) The V4 just feels and behaves differently and I like it - personal preference. In the next 100,000kms I might think about something else, but I am not exactly desperate.
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Perhaps wait until the covers come off [url]http://powersports.honda.com/[/url] ([url]http://powersports.honda.com/[/url])
Hurray, the covers are off.... but wait, the ST1300 is the same! Well, that's a surprise!
I especially like the colour "range".... at least I know my 2010 is a current model still. :p
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If it ain't broken...... :runyay
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Interesting. There are quite a few upgraded bikes in the same price bracket at the ST13, with a lot more gear added as standard. Luckily I have an ST11 so no reason to have to decide anything as yet...but Honda had better do something in the next few years.
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OK.. Honda have pretty much forgotten to update the ST1300.. BUT.... This has to be one of the coolest cruisers around.. I wonder if we'll see it in Oz.
http://powersports.honda.com/cruiser/2013/gold-wing-f6b.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/cruiser/2013/gold-wing-f6b.aspx)
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OK.. Honda have pretty much forgotten to update the ST1300.. BUT.... This has to be one of the coolest cruisers around.. I wonder if we'll see it in Oz.
[url]http://powersports.honda.com/cruiser/2013/gold-wing-f6b.aspx[/url] ([url]http://powersports.honda.com/cruiser/2013/gold-wing-f6b.aspx[/url])
Looks a bit too much like a Victory. Can't see the Goldwing fraternity liking it.
However, $21000 for the top model in USA. Wonder what they would cost in Oz. I'll bet it's getting on towards twice that.
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I will be one watching the F6B witth great interest. This would be a great piece of kit to do some big miles on. With the recent price drops in the Goldwing pricing maybe this was the plan.
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30 litre tank is an improvement on the older Wings.
In profile (without checking the specs) it looks to be the same as the 2013 Wing, just different seats, cowls and no top box.
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I don't think the tank size has changed. The 6.7 gallons is US gallons, so still a bit above the 26 litre mark - I don't know what the usable capacity is. The Goldwing spec is 6.6 US gallons - wonder why the difference?
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my 2 bob
looks like a victory or any 1 of the top of the range cruisers out there
i think with the vfr1200, this is honda's direction for our types
the 1300 will probaly die a slow death sales wise
but the smart money will stay on the 11 and13's
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The Goldwing F6B, is basically a Goldwing, with the topbox removed, screen cut down annd more importantly - reverse gear removed !!! saving about 69kgs in weight. Honda aren't targeting new buyers from the 'Traditional" Goldwing school but a compromise between the traditional and new age buyers.
The VFR1200, as I said earlier is the future of motorcycle manufacturing. Look how many versions of the same bike now. One vehicle platform.
A VFR1200 slips off the production line every 90 secs then it is separated to a different line for final make up, either the tourer, sports of cross tourer.
Quote:
Design critic Stephen Bayley has also been quoted as saying “It may be a shock now, but in future all bikes will become more visually sophisticated. The VFR1200 is the future now.”
It IS sad, but the days of the ST1300 are in their twilight, sales are low, there is a huge amount of competition from other manufacturers including from Honda themselves with the VFR1200. Saying all that, I've heard that the St1300 will die since 2008, and yet it is still here, which is great in my book.
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I read somewhere that the F6B is Honda's response to Goldwings being modified to become more of a bagger tourer. So Honda now sells them one from new.
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I think Honda have seen the popularity of stripped dressers in America and want to get in on the action. I think they'll sell a few to the yanks, those who loved their Valkyries will flock to it as well. I wouldn't mind having a ride on one just for the fun of it. I wonder if Rising Sun Honda will get one in for a demo... might be a good excuse to ride to Townsville.
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note to all visitors to this post
they have HarieG locked in the public STOCK's
over at the topic 2981
come over and throw some rotten tomatoes at him
Feeling a little unloved Harie? And just for the record, I'll bite, just what is topic 2981??
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note to all visitors to this post
they have HarieG locked in the public STOCK's
over at the topic 2981
come over and throw some rotten tomatoes at him
Feeling a little unloved Harie? And just for the record, I'll bite, just what is topic 2981??
you are very LUCKY
all my other invites were removed
but if you go to post topic 2981 here on the OZSTOC forums
ALL will become obvious