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OzSTOC News & Rider Assistance => General Motorcycle News Links => Topic started by: Jdbiker on July 18, 2016, 10:21:38 AM
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Maribyrnong, Melbourne, dashcam footage.
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Have to disagree with post title -
Gap in two lanes of traffic at intersection could mean a vehicle might be coming from there. Bikes would more than likely not have been seen by the car driver until the last moment; riders should have been aware of this possibility and reduce speed as a preventative measure.
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You are probably right there, riders should have been aware of the gap and adjusted accordingly. However, from a legal point car driver is in the wrong I think.
Maybe subject should be " inattentive driver and motorcycle riders"...
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Bad luck all around, I think. There were lots of similar gaps in the oncoming traffic, so that one wasn't obviously a hazard.
I'd still put the onus on the car driver. His coming through the gap is irregular, and it was up to him to pause before crossing into the oncoming lane. He appears to drive through without allowing for the possibility of oncoming vehicles, probably emboldened by the lack of traffic seen while traversing the gap.
The smoke (steam?) coming off the second bike is a worry.
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I just hope the riders didn't suffer too much. Right and wrong are for plod and insurance companies to work out.
It does show how quickly circumstances can change and is about as much warning as I got. So hard to avoid in that situation.
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I just hope the riders didn't suffer too much. Right and wrong are for plod and insurance companies to work out.
It does show how quickly circumstances can change and is about as much warning as I got. So hard to avoid in that situation.
Agree.
I had my say on this matter in the thread on the 3AW Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/3awbreakfast/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/3awbreakfast/?fref=ts)
IMHO, bottom line is driver and riders at fault - riders probably exceeding speed limit (by my rudimentary calcs), and common sense would have prudent riders travelling a bit (perhaps a lot) slower and more vigilant.
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Definatley the car driver at fault.
Why didn't the car stop after hitting the first bike, instead of travelling further to collect the second?
What about the car taking the video, didn't the driver see it?
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THERE ARE PLENTY OF TIMES WHEN THE ONLY FAULT OF THE BIKE RIDERS IS JUST BEING ON THE ROAD AT ALL !
I had one sort of similar back in 2010. Big difference was it was late Saturday morning, traffic along Albany Hwy coming out of Perth city was bumper to bumper, and almost zero traffic heading towards the city.
There was some on-going road works outside the Bentley Plaza. I was cruising along towards the city minding my own business heading into Perth to pick up my passport and visa.
THINK, I down shifted to slow to the posted speed limit of 20 kph. Was just level with a large, black 4 wheel drive thing (Toyota Landcruiser ?) - without any warning a small white four door cage turned and shot out from behind the four wheel drive cutting straight across the highway in front of me, stopping, blocking both lanes towards the city.
Instinctively I started trying to swing to the left trying desperately to brake and miss the front of the cage. Brakes grabbed the front wheel, locking it, (told there was some loose sand on the road) handlebars swung full lock to the left and the bike was down throwing me up and over onto the road. :-[ My first 'High-Side' !
Don't remember very much at all after that - two uniformed police :cop :cop carried me over to the side of the highway.
Next thing I remember was being in an ambulance and heard someone saying "But you've got to feel sorry for the poor girl."
W.T.F. ???? :eek :cuss :cuss :cuss
Then I was straight off to hospital for a few weeks.
End result - Lots of broken plastic of my ST1100, one brand new BMW flip-up helmet written off. (right hand side / top scrapped and crushed)
Self - - concussion, memory loss, four broken ribs, bit of bruising all over.
Unbelievably, not one single witness came forwards !!! :cuss Lots of people heard the crash of my ST and I hitting the black-top but no-one SAW what happened !
No witnesses = no charges laid. I didn't remember what had happened, (concussion) so that was it.
Driver was a young BLOND female :fp with her father in the front passengers seat !
Must be true what they say about blonds ! :OldMan Can't even see a police white, ST1100 with its headlights on, no other traffic around it, on a cloudless, sunny day. :|||| :|||| :||||
That was enough to convince me that the average cage driver has a mind block when it comes to 'seeing' motorbikes on the road !