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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: pault on November 08, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
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got caught here recently 119kmh, coming down the hill. I do not recall any warning signs, local knowledge please ??
legal ????
thanks Paul
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I dont think any state is required to say a radar is in use. I take it, that it was a speed camera. It may be an idea to see if you can get hold of the radar setup instructions, there may be something about hills.
Also, maybe write a letter explaining that you were going down the hill on a trailing throttle ( not under power)and that you didnt use the brakes, as to do so would cause hot brakes and loss of ability to stop if needed.
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If that's the place I'm thinking of, Ben Lomond does have a warning sign. It's a notorious location for accidents, being hilly and windey, hence the speed camera.
The smooth wide open road invites more than 100 kph.
30°00'36.8"S 151°43'01.7"E
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/Pixtor/Ben%20Lomond_zpsbz6kwkbx.jpg)
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It claims a few road users that camera...I drive this section of road with monotonous regularity but cannot say with any certainty whether there are advisory signs.....but a blue with white writing about 150mtrs North of the camera does ring a bell. :think1
The Southbound facing camera is nearly at the bottom of a slight 300 mtr down hill run, this camera has been in place for over 10 years now and is on the site of a known "Black Spot" which hasn't had a fatal accident since it was put in place. Sadly the same cannot be said before its placement. I can recall 4 in a 200 mtr section :||||
:thumbsup
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I dont think any state is required to say a radar is in use. I take it, that it was a speed camera. It may be an idea to see if you can get hold of the radar setup instructions, there may be something about hills.
Also, maybe write a letter explaining that you were going down the hill on a trailing throttle ( not under power)and that you didnt use the brakes, as to do so would cause hot brakes and loss of ability to stop if needed.
It's not that hard to keep below 110 coming down a hill - if I roll off the throttle mine slows down
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Have a talk to JohnnyYTED. He is pretty good with the legal stuff having recently obtained a desired outcome in SA.
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Pussies!
Real men and women, like us that live in Victoria, don't have / need any advice when speed or red light cameras are in use. VicPol and the Department of Justice (they manage the red light cameras, which also have speed detection capabilities), don't have any on-road notification of cameras, it's not needed.
Lists of permanent and mobile camera sites were published from time-to-time, may be they still are. But it's really pretty easy for the alert, astute riders / drivers amongst us to avoid them - they (the cameras) are pretty obvious, and often in predictable locations. Failing that a foolproof way to avoid a speed camera ticket, is not to speed.
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Have a talk to JohnnyYTED. He is pretty good with the legal stuff having recently obtained a desired outcome in SA.
The only advice I can add is to ask for the calibration certificate, and ask if it was checked before use on the day,,
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It's not that hard to keep below 110 coming down a hill - if I roll off the throttle mine slows down
Yes mine does too...........its the other way that creates issues! :wht11
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thanks gentlemen, somthing I think I had better do in the future is a visit here,
get a list of traps before a trip. stick it on the dash, screen somewhere.
my eyes are fine, its my memory that needs glasses
http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/speeding/speedcameras/current-locations.html (http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/speeding/speedcameras/current-locations.html)
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... get a list of traps before a trip. stick it on the dash, screen somewhere.
Just checked the link, I think you're gunna need a bigger screen.
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got caught here recently 119kmh, coming down the hill. I do not recall any warning signs, local knowledge please ??
legal ????
thanks Paul
Sure it was not a mobile speed camera? One has been working this region for the last three months. I often see it south of Armidale just south of a bridge on the NEH. They are required to place warning signs and this guy puts his first one behind the end of the armco. This can only be see once your beside the thing. The second and last warningis placed about 40m from the ute. Its hull down in a depression. Smart move Paul is learn the lay of the land and what these $grabbers look like from many hundreds of yards away...maybe you'll even smell the ink in the printing machines a mile in advance.
Interesting these mobile units are never ever set up in or around the school zones where they could do some good. No they plop them out on the main Hwy to expose them to the greatest traffic flow...not the greatest good.
Gee I sound synical.
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I guess I was enjoying the ride too much to notice the sign.
further to this has anyone had any business with an android gps app that is loaded with sites?
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Paul,
Are you sure that you weren't snapped by this mobile camera?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYxXBMqEOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvYxXBMqEOM)
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I drove through this area late last night and took notice this time >:()
A total of 3 fixed Camera Warning signs in the South bound lane.....300mtrs/200mtrs and 50mtrs from the Camera location.
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Legal advice - Speeding, cop it sweet and pay the fine...
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:dred11
Legal advice - Speeding, cop it sweet and pay the fine...
some legal advice isn't always correct.
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:dred11
Legal advice - Speeding, cop it sweet and pay the fine...
some legal advice isn't always correct.
It's a bit harder to talk your way out of a fixed camera detection, I'd reckon.
The only way I can think of would be to plead inclement weather (e.g. too foggy to see speed limits etc), but the photo would disprove that claim. And 19 kays over in bad weather would lead to a charge of reckless driving just to sweeten the deal.
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They may even have been nice to you with 19kms over. Fairly sure in WA there is a big difference between 19 and 21 and I imagine it is worse in NSW.
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Website for location of speed and red light cameras in Qld
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/fines/speed/location/ (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/fines/speed/location/)
Rgds GB
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after a couple of posts by local gentlemen and learning to use google maps I have seen the warning signs I did not previously.
fine paid.
More importantly why did i miss them? Not seen as a threat? whereas a roo/cattle would have got my attention.
Since found an andriod app which pin points cameras before I get there.
Thanks to all who posted, replies always interesting.
thanks PaulT
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after a couple of posts by local gentlemen and learning to use google maps I have seen the warning signs I did not previously ....... More importantly why did i miss them?
An interesting and very pertinent question.
With caution and (trying) not to cast aspersions on PaulT, why indeed? It's similar question I ask myself on an almost daily basis.
As a traffic engineer with a Municipal Council in VIC I receive calls (complaints) from residents, commuters, etc... (to be politically correct, they are called customers) re. speed limit, stop, give way or roundabout signs, typically, "When was the sign installed?" A typical response is (after checking Council records) is, "XX years." (XX being anything from one to 15.)
A further "customer" comment is often along the lines of, "Are you sure, I've been driving the road for years and never noticed it before." One particular incident a woman (I wonder if she was blond?) explained the she drove along a particular 50km/h street four times per day (driving to and from school when dropping-off/picking-up the kids) and she always drove at 60km/h.
When she further explained that she would appeal the traffic infringement notice and have her day in court, I suggested that she explain her driving behaviour to the magistrate by saying that she drove at 60km/h (in the 50km/h zone) four times every school day since 22 January 2001. I'm not sure if she attended court, used this gem of information in her defence. If she did, she didn't call to thank me.
Back to "why". I don't know, who really knows, but what worries me is the level of inattention some people (not PaulT of course) have when on the road.
Just remember guys and gals, these inattentive people (can't call 'em drivers) are operating (can't call it driving) vehicles much bigger than our ST's.
Rant over ........