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Welcome - Getting started & FAQs - Read Here First... => Introduce Yourself & Your Bike => Topic started by: Uncle_Shrek on February 17, 2017, 08:54:47 AM
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Hi all,
Thanks for having me. I've owned "Piglet" for about nine months now. He's a high mileage 2003 model. I just did my own oil change at 150,000km a month ago. For the past while I have had the dreaded FI light coming on if I sit at over 4,000 rpm for more than a few seconds. It hasn't been a big issue for me as I don't have many demerit points to spare, so I normally stick to speed limits. On Tuesday afternoon, though, I left work as usual and headed north on Pennant Hills Rd towards the M1 (I live on the Central Coast) Piglet started coughing and spluttering and I only just managed to nurse it to a petrol station. I ended up having to be taken home on the back of a breakdown truck.
The question is: Is this breakdown likely to be related to the FI issue? I have read the thread about the five way connector. Could it be this or a bunged up fuel filter?
Thanks guys.
Uncle_Shrek
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Welcome Uncle_Shrek to OzSTOC from Toowoomba in Queensland ++
I'm just a ST pilot not a ST fixer but I'm sure someone will come along and help you out :grin
Enjoy your ST1300 :thumb Engoy the Forum :thumbsup
:beer
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Thanks Leo,
If I get a chance, I'll be trying to fix it this weekend. I've been putting off pulling the thing apart to get at that connector, but now I have no choice.
Here's hoping that is all that is wrong.
Kevin
:slvr13
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It's a bit of a pain getting down to the top of the engine.
Be aware that the screws holding the "funnels" down are JIS, not Phillips. Phillips will damage the screws if they are hard to undo, and they often are, especially on a high kays bike.
If you can't find JIS screw drivers, it says somewhere on the Forum that you can grind the tip off a #2 Phillips driver and it will do the job.
And welcome to the moshpit.
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I'm familiar with Phillips and Pozidrive screws, but I've never heard of JIS screws. I have a good set of SnapOn bits. Hopefully one of these will work.
Thanks heaps
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Just remembered too- there are two multi-way connectors, the second on deeper in the valley under the top one. Clean both- some folks have found gunk in them.
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While you're in there, you might as well install a Cruise Control, because that's the most painful aspect of the installation.
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Before dismantling the bike, do the easy checks first.
Check the fuel filter.
Check to see if the fuel pump is working properly, Pop a hose off and see if fuel shoots out freely (into a catch container of course, we dont want to start a fire)
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Welcome Uncle_Shrek, enjoy your time here on the forum.
good luck with the fix :thumb
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Welcome Uncle_shrek and hopefully piglet will be up and running again soon.
Cheers,
Gary
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G'day Uncle_Shrek, welcome to the forum :hatwave
Good luck on the repairs mate :thumbsup
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Salutations Uncle_Shrek :hatwave
I can strongly recommend doing a fuel filter change.
I had the same symptoms on my old 03 :slvr13 with similar mileage.
After changing the filter the boarish behaviour ceased :grin
Good luck with the little sow...
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/greeneyedmonster1/IMG_1061_zpschdq1pjd.jpg~original)
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Well-equipped workshop with the requisite supplies of "Bud".
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T'was a unrelentingly hot day,now 4 summers gone Biggles - when a easing drinking beer helped to clear one's head of 98RON gasoline :grin
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Welcome along....
In no particular order....Right knock sensor due to heat issues, In tank fuel filter, or a waxed up 5 Ways connector.
Cheers
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Greetings Uncle_Shrek
I've got down to the 5 way connector on my 03 1300 and found no gunk in it (only to have Biggles tell me now there's another one further down..... :||||)
Had all the tupperware off to fit Stebel horn (thanks Shiney!), but didn't fit new wire to knock sensor. All back together and off for test ride and of course the first time I gave the throttle a twist to pass some local agricultural machinery and back off when past, presto! FI light. Local Honda mechanic reckons he's done a few rewiring jobs and that seems to fix most of the problems. Now on my list for next time......
Fuel filter is a new one though, thanks Stimpy......
Happy hunting!
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This has good photos/drawings of JIS and Phillips screwdrivers
http://www.toolking.com.au/screwdriver-japanese-industrial-standard-motorbike-etc/ (http://www.toolking.com.au/screwdriver-japanese-industrial-standard-motorbike-etc/)
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Also have a look at this post..... http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5870.msg112582#msg112582 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5870.msg112582#msg112582) JIS screw heads can be identified by the dot on the screw head.
JIS Screwdrivers are readily available via ebay, but the vast majority of tool suppliers have never heard of them.
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The screwdriver in the tool kit (if its still there) is just what you need for them.
The other flat piece in the kit makes the handle, a nice "tap" with a hammer like object to seat the driver in the screw and they come out easy peasy.
Done quite a few cruise installs so can vouch for it :rofl
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Welcome On In Uncle_Shrek :clap
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I thought the faulty 'knock' sensor problem only caused 'less than ideal' running, not complete failure. Similarly for the blocked 5 way connector.
Am I wrong?
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OH!, another thing.
Shrek, have you 'read out' the fault code for the FI fault indicator?. It would normally be a 25 or 26 code for the knock sensors.
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Hi Cravenhaven,
Is there a thread relating to reading out the fault codes? Sorry for asking the newbie questions that have probably been asked a couple hundred times already.
Cheers
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Cant find a post while quickly searching though I did describe it once before somewhere. Anyway from the manual:
Turn the key switch off
Find the PGM-FI service connector under the rear seat on the LHS (4 wire connector normally taped to the frame)
use a piece of wire to short together the Brown and Green/Pink terminals
Turn on the ignition switch and engine stop switch (but dont start the bike)
The FI light will now start blinking a pattern of long and short flashes
The long flashes are = 10, the short flashes are = 1, so 2 long and 5 short = 25
If there are multiple faults, it will display them in order and then repeat.
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Thanks for that.
If only I could find the time and/or inclination to dive into this.
And to top it off, my alternative mode of transport also carked it at the weekend. I have a Mitsubishi Pajero and it also has a fuel problem. This time it is spraying petrol all over the place from the fuel pump just under the back seats. It is abandoned at a servo, so I need to prioritise getting it running first, so that I can at least limp it home.
That's two. I wonder what the third thing will be. Oh, now I remember - my lawn mower died in the arse last weekend too.
Hopefully that'll be all my bad luck used up for the year. Does bad luck work on financial or calendar years???
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Hopefully that'll be all my bad luck used up for the year. Does bad luck work on financial or calendar years???
Whatever is worse- so that would be Financial years in this case, so you can start again in July.
Ref the socket, it's on the RH side, as conventionally viewed from the rider's position.
i.e. south side if the bike is facing east. :rofl
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Hopefully that'll be all my bad luck used up for the year. Does bad luck work on financial or calendar years???
i.e. south side if the bike is facing east. :rofl
Reminds me of the insult, "He's got a face like the Northern end of a Southbound horse"
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Ref the socket, it's on the RH side, as conventionally viewed from the rider's position.
Oops!!! :fp, IS that the fork hand or the knife hand >:()
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Ref the socket, it's on the RH side, as conventionally viewed from the rider's position.
Oops!!! :fp, IS that the fork hand or the knife hand >:()
We are not that sophisticated here - it's either the food eating hand or the :butt wiping hand :fp
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:rd13 :rd13 :rd13
Uncle Shrek
I had the same problem with my 2003 ST 1300 at 100,000 klms and put in some injector cleaner (which also dissipated water) and changed the fuel filter in the tank.... Problem Solved..
Now at 200,000 klms I have the same problem, just changed the Petrol filter ( which had some water in it) and introduced some more injector cleaner and the jerking missing problem is again solved.
Only CASH and new parts will solve the engine management light coming on my friend.
Hoipe this helps
Rally Norm
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Only cash, new parts and time. It's the last commodity I'm really short of. I still haven't had a chance to make a start on it. I need to order the new fuel filter before I begin. I'll do that as a must, regardless of whether it's faulty.
Thanks for the advice.
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Only cash, new parts and time. It's the last commodity I'm really short of. I still haven't had a chance to make a start on it. I need to order the new fuel filter before I begin. I'll do that as a must, regardless of whether it's faulty.
Thanks for the advice.
At 150,000 kays, it's bound to need replacing. Just annoying that it's so hard to get to, unlike the old inline ones.
EFI isn't wonderful in every way!
You might consider ordering a gasket while you're there- it's a bit of convoluted rubber which can be damaged in the handling.