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Title: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: alans1100 on September 23, 2017, 12:33:43 PM
During our recent border ride I lost my BT unit and decided to replace with two new devices which we can hear easily at legal speed limits.

While looking for the GPS I noticed they had some Sena gear. http://www.motogps.com.au/sena-20s-dual-kit-bluetooth-communication-system/ (http://www.motogps.com.au/sena-20s-dual-kit-bluetooth-communication-system/)

I know some of you use SENA but to me they seem a bit pricey but they also have a lot more functions that might make this one more useful.

Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: LindsayGT on September 23, 2017, 01:07:44 PM
Having had Starcomm stuff and then Goldwing stuff, I highly recommend the Sena 20s gear.

Superb audio quality!
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Brock on September 23, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
The Sena units are very reliable.

I was using a Sena10S to communicate with Wombat on a bike Marshalling event. The bikes were about a K apart in bush and we were still able to talk, all at 100Ks. In fact is was better comms than the UHF.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: ST2UP on September 23, 2017, 01:49:38 PM
+1 for Sena anything  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Sicman on September 23, 2017, 02:35:51 PM
Except you cant get it - All their products have been on back order for over three months now  :well
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: alans1100 on September 23, 2017, 03:15:53 PM
Except you cant get it - All their products have been on back order for over three months now  :well
Not in a rush - nice to have peace and quite from SWMBO while on the move.

The purchase can wait until my hopefully upcoming work with Viterra.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Shillas on September 24, 2017, 12:34:36 AM
Except you cant get it - All their products have been on back order for over three months now  :well
Not in a rush - nice to have peace and quite from SWMBO while on the move.

The purchase can wait until my hopefully upcoming work with Viterra.

Permanent backorder to maintain the peace and quiet?   :rofl
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Bodø Glimt on September 24, 2017, 07:24:48 AM
Mrs Glimt once said to me you can't talk to people when you ride.  My response: I know.  That's why I ride.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Williamson on September 24, 2017, 08:50:55 AM
.... Sena gear. [url]http://www.motogps.com.au/sena-20s-dual-kit-bluetooth-communication-system/[/url] ([url]http://www.motogps.com.au/sena-20s-dual-kit-bluetooth-communication-system/[/url])


I have a Sena 20S pair.  Much better than the Interphone BT (currently with STroppy) set-up I used previously, but at 4 x times the price, I'm not sure if they are 4 x times better.

.... the Sena 20s gear.  Superb audio quality!


Agree.

The Sena units are very reliable.

I was using a Sena10S to communicate with Wombat on a bike Marshalling event. The bikes were about a K apart in bush and we were still able to talk, all at 100Ks. In fact is was better comms than the UHF.


Mrs W and I use them for pillion to rider communications, under these circumstances they are excellent.

Only used them rider to rider on a couple of occasions.  This was with Phil (the mate accompanying me to Wooli) on a ride to Talbotville (Google it).  Phil bought his 20S so as he communicate with me and some of his other mates as the 20S will pair with non-Sena units (this why STroppy is using my old Interphone BT units).  Anyway, communications to and from Talbotville were very good when there was line-of-sight between us and probably up to a km or so.  Not so good in hilly, twisty terrain in the VIC high country - NO see, NO talk.

Mrs Glimt once said to me you can't talk to people when you ride.  My response: I know.  That's why I ride.


My mobile phone is provided by work.  As they paid for it and pay the bills, I'm expected to be available 24/7.  In 17 years in my current job, I've only been contacted after hours three times.  Each time it was a report of a traffic signal fault, and whilst there is a pretty clear procedure for contacting our traffic signal contractor for these events, some people at our call centre get confused and call me instead.  Small penalty, when it could reduce the risk a serious crash.

Mmmm........I might talk to the boss about him paying for the Sena.

 

Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Gadget on September 24, 2017, 02:52:56 PM
Mrs Glimt once said to me you can't talk to people when you ride.  My response: I know.  That's why I ride.
Lol.

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Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Biggles on September 26, 2017, 04:19:43 PM
The S30 is here!!

http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena/motorcycle-communications/30k/ (http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena/motorcycle-communications/30k/)

$769 the pair!     :eek     :crazy
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: STroppy on September 26, 2017, 05:36:06 PM
Save and go halves in a pair with a mate . .
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Biggles on September 27, 2017, 04:08:04 PM
Save and go halves in a pair with a mate . .

I might prefer intercom-ing to my Missus than my mate.    :grin
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: STroppy on September 27, 2017, 06:18:18 PM
Save and go halves in a pair with a mate . .

I might prefer intercom-ing to my Missus than my mate.    :grin

Then you don’t need the S30 . . Use what you use now . .
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Brock on September 27, 2017, 07:38:39 PM
The 20S and 10S would be a cheaper option. Both are excellent, the longer range of the 30S wouldnt be needed to talk to a pillion.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Biggles on September 27, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
Then you don’t need the S30 . . Use what you use now . .

Thanks for the advice.
Part of the logic of my post is the issue of parts for superseded models.  Fr'instance I need a new headset for my new fixed face helmet but the Australian supplier no longer offers a set with a fixed mic, only a boom mic at 50% dearer.  Obviously this is a perennial problem with all technology.  But what one hopes for is as the new technology becomes more widely adopted, prices will go down.  This doesn't appear to have happened with the "10" series.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Brock on September 27, 2017, 08:45:27 PM
The base plate for the SMH 10 fits the 10S, (and vice versa) between the two series, there will be a setup for you. There are so many of them out there, I think they will be around for a long time.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: mr2u on September 28, 2017, 03:55:31 AM
I have the SMH5FM, i believe its ONE of the cheapest at around $200
For years i struggled with cheap modified Bluetooth headsets and fitting them into my helmets, all just so i could hear the GPS telling me directions.
The Sena is 1000% better in EVERY way


Seamless connection to Phone and Bluetooth.
Super long lasting battery, (and i can charge it while its in use if needed)
Crystal clear communication.
Able to link up with 4 other riders if need be ( I dont as im mostly on my own)
FM radio, not that i like to listen to the radio when im riding, but its there if i ever want.       
And once its set in the helmet i can forget about it as the module just unclips for super easy charging (Can leave it on and charge it if i want too)
And i can call customers easily when i pull over and cant find their address.

All round i love it, wish i had done it sooner.

Mr2u     :blk13

Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Williamson on September 28, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
.....The Sena is 1000% better in EVERY way ...... FM radio, not that i like to listen to the radio when im riding, but its there if i ever want.....

Sena for me too!

FM is handy on long trips, but it's not there whenever I want it.  The FM broadcast range is generally limited, in the receiver in the Sena is even more limited.  My point is, it's only good for a 30km to 40km range north east of Melbourne (it's only a bit hilly).
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: alans1100 on September 28, 2017, 09:53:20 AM
I'm not to fussed about the FM as the range is rather poor compared to AM plus my phone doubles as an mp3 player should I want to listen to music.

With the old unit I had I could get phone calls but could never work out hang up or how to make them.

The car's GPS could connect to the phone for traffic updates (never used) but not to a bike intercom so having voice instructions in the helmet would be something new.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Sicman on September 28, 2017, 10:00:10 AM
having voice instructions in the helmet would be something new.
:think1 You don't hear voices?  :o :crazy  :think1 Must be just me  :grin
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Gadget on September 28, 2017, 10:58:57 AM
Now with RadioApp or ABC Listen App I can get better coverage than FM and no static like AM using mobile data.
The only downside is when it starts to break up, it quickly disappears.

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Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Brock on September 28, 2017, 11:09:56 AM
A tip for the Sena units.

Turn off Vox Mic and side tone, a little wind noise willopen the mic and give a wind noise right into the ears..
Boost Mic volume and transmit power.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: mr2u on September 29, 2017, 04:43:41 PM

Sena for me too!

FM is handy on long trips, but it's not there whenever I want it.  The FM broadcast range is generally limited, in the receiver in the Sena is even more limited.  My point is, it's only good for a 30km to 40km range north east of Melbourne (it's only a bit hilly).

I have been told by the Sena Rep/Importer that the aerial is in the LONGEST speaker wire and for best performance, instead of running the wire around the back of the helmet, to run it straight up and over (under the lining of course) and that will increase reception as well as range.

Mr2u    :blk13
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Gadget on September 29, 2017, 05:25:42 PM
Vertically polarised radio signals don't have the same range as horizontally polarised radio signals.

The ground edge of the vertical signal 'drags' and eventually falls over.

That's why most TV antennas are horizontally polarised.
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: ST2UP on September 29, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
From a Sena perspective I have only used the SMH10 since it was bought out....I'm not yet ready to upgrade but would be interested to hear from those who made the journey from 10's to 20's. The 10 seams more gloved rider friendly ......What say you  :popcorn :popcorn


 :beer
Title: Re: Rider to pillion communication.
Post by: Brock on September 29, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
The 10S, and mount comes suitable for speakers and earbuds. Speaker volume is great even when wearing earplugs. The FM radio is soso, but it may ber the station I was listening to, but radio function is rarely used.

Works well with GPS, Phone and SR10 for UHF Comms. no-one has realised that the UHF is being used on a bike.

The 30S has great battery life, and can be charged on the go. You can plug in external audio. The unit will work in an SMH10 mount, SMH10 will work in the 10S mount. 30S speakes are good quality, but may need a bit of persuaion to sit deep enough to not press on the ears. (in the Shark flip front anyway)