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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: West Aussie Glen on May 29, 2020, 09:14:33 PM
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Interested to find out what members have done.
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I have it, but dont go out much.
It seems to eat batteries pretty quickly.
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My thoughts are if somebody is positive they should be in isolation therefore I don't need it
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It seems that there have been a few cases where the person didnt have any symptoms, so didnt know they had been exposed let alone contracted the bug.
Fortunately, we have had very few wild cases in WA, and all traceable to the ship passengers.
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I mainly did so as I figure the more who download it the quicker restrictions will be lifted and I guess if someone tests positive after being near me for 15 minutes I can then be notified.I just don't understand why the time is not a lot shorter the
an 15 minutes. I also fine it drains the battery a little.
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I reckon its a waste of time... :Stirpot
If I happen to be standing in line at the supermarket checkout and there's someone coughing up a lung it's not gonna show up on the app unless I spend 15 minutes there with him/her. Hardly likely that's gonna happen... :||||
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I got it and hope that people around it also has it
I know it is not compulsory but just trying to be a good citizen but just hope the Gov don't use it against us
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Because i consider me working in a shopping centre high risk i have also had the free testing today
Will receive results tomorrow via txt
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Didn't and have no intentions of installing it.
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I have it, and while it's not the total answer, it is one more tool in the battle against covid-19.
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I have downloaded it as have the doctors and staff I work with. If everyone contributes to prevention the sooner we get back our lives
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Didn't and have no intentions of installing it.
Agree, My reason is that the government has for many years, under many differing legislations (and some quite obscure due to their naming processes) attempted to erode our privacy and freedoms. All you have to do is see what Dutton has been trying to pass over the last four weeks. (If he succeeds, imagine being a 14 year old arrested and being denied access to your family or a solicitor, and that is the tip of that iceberg) I would be a slow adopter of anything introduced by this government and only after I have heard, seen and analysed all evidence and views beforehand.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Rubencan! :clap
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I'm with Stinky Pete and West Aussie Glen. Anything that can help the health authorities contain and control this virus, the better and anything that will go towards lifting the restrictions - the better. I prefer to live in a free society which puts the good of the community first.
Oh, I also think any WA Ozstoc member, living in WA, should be permitted to visit Border Village, in pristine SA, on the weekend of 1 and 2 August 2020, PROVIDED, they have downloaded the Covid19 phone app. Can't be fairer than that!
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I'm with Stinky Pete and West Aussie Glen. Anything that can help the health authorities contain and control this virus, the better and anything that will go towards lifting the restrictions - the better. I prefer to live in a free society which puts the good of the community first.
Oh, I also think any WA Ozstoc member, living in WA, should be permitted to visit Border Village, in pristine SA, on the weekend of 1 and 2 August 2020, PROVIDED, they have downloaded the Covid19 phone app. Can't be fairer than that!
I'm with these guys.
And whilst we are on COVID, this is an interesting chart, and puts things into persepective.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/?fbclid=IwAR3OCCF2uZnPpcdoadagzebxuF9vu4u3bXEZTAeMNdojQV1xb5FFvrQBM_Q
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And whilst we are on COVID, this is an interesting chart, and puts things into persepective.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/?fbclid=IwAR3OCCF2uZnPpcdoadagzebxuF9vu4u3bXEZTAeMNdojQV1xb5FFvrQBM_Q
:eek
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I like the stats Michael, but like it says, they are global. They are grossly misrepresented by places such as the USA who has a president providing snake oil cures, Brazil with a President that is probably hoping to wipe out crime through a rising death toll in the "favelas", and a few other few nations. To better compare, we should base our understanding on Australian models/statistics and please do not misunderstand, as I am not playing down the risks, Covid shares many of its markers with the common flu. To date, we have suffered the loss of 103 souls to COVID whilst in 2018 we lost 3102 to influenza. Both are distributed by airborne and on contact. Ask yourself, why do we not have the same level of urgency for, in Australia, an equally transmittable disease year in and year out? Notice that I did not mention the other death rates by other diseases as they are either non transmittable or comparable, although many claim more lives. And here is where I put my Quack hat on, the others do not seem to have as direct an impact on commerce/industry/lobbyist interests. And if that is not enough of a conspiracy theory, have a look at the legislations the government has been working out whilst we've been distracted.
Stats on Australian COVID: https://www.google.com/search?q=australia+covid+19+cases&oq=australia+covid19&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.8532j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=australia+covid+19+cases&oq=australia+covid19&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l4.8532j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Stats on deaths by diseases: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/47E19CA15036B04BCA2577570014668B?Opendocument (https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/47E19CA15036B04BCA2577570014668B?Opendocument) (out of date by 2 years)
To the Moderator (Brocky) delete if not suitable.
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I’m in the ‘just do it’ camp. Anyone with a Google account has most likely already handed over copious amounts of personal data, without giving it much thought, to a company that a ashamedly sells it for commercial gain. I remember the press update where Brendan Murphy demonstrated how well Aussies had responded to the lockdown restrictions by showing a graph of our travel habits over recent months. Info drawn from Google.
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Has the COVIDSafe app been worth it?
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/has-the-covidsafe-app-been-worth-it/12292620 (https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/has-the-covidsafe-app-been-worth-it/12292620)
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Lane I both installed it, over a full charge only uses 3% of battery (android), no no noticeable battery usage.
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Has the COVIDSafe app been worth it?
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/has-the-covidsafe-app-been-worth-it/12292620 (https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/has-the-covidsafe-app-been-worth-it/12292620)
Thanks for that link, I found it interesting and after listening am happy I downloaded it.
From a privacy situation and a battery use if one is concerned about either simply turn bluetooth on when you are out and about and it off when you are 100% sure you are not likely to come in contact with someone with the virus.
Has the CovidSafe app been worth it ? well it worked in finding a person it Victoria who otherwise most probably wouldn't have know they had been in contact with Covid 19 and I guess it is like insurance you only know if it works when you need it.
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https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/some-improvements-required-covidsafe-bill-parliament
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https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/some-improvements-required-covidsafe-bill-parliament
Glanced through and still happy I have it.
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Guys,
I would rather know that they can trace where the source came from, that way they can treat all before it gets away again.
For those who who have doubts about Covid 19 and events leading up too it, this may interest you:
Warning there is disturbing information information in this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs)
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https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/some-improvements-required-covidsafe-bill-parliament
Glanced through and still happy I have it.
No probs, just putting stuff out there for those that may be interested. :thumb
I'm just naturally suspicious of politicians, especially those saying "trust me". :whistle
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How many people have downloaded the COVIDSafe app and how central has it been to Australia's coronavirus response?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/coronavirus-covid19-covidsafe-app-how-many-downloads-greg-hunt/12295130 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-02/coronavirus-covid19-covidsafe-app-how-many-downloads-greg-hunt/12295130)
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I downloaded it early, I'm considered at risk from the virus.
Afterall, if Google can tell me that I'm about to get rained on, give me information on products I have looked at online (even just once), can finish an autofill for me with the correct suggestion when searching on a related topic, then I have no privacy left and my data is being sold by google etc to third parties, then i don't really have a lot to fear from anyone else, including the Government.
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Guys,
I would rather know that they can trace where the source came from, that way they can treat all before it gets away again.
For those who who have doubts about Covid 19 and events leading up too it, this may interest you:
Warning there is disturbing information information in this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs)
Before watching the above video (it is not a documentary, a documentary is a factual report on a particular subject), it would be wise to watch this video first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IawIjqOJBU8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IawIjqOJBU8&feature=youtu.be)
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Yes, took a couple of go's but got there in the end.
Rgds GB
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Guys,
I would rather know that they can trace where the source came from, that way they can treat all before it gets away again.
For those who who have doubts about Covid 19 and events leading up too it, this may interest you:
Warning there is disturbing information information in this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsIi-k04Qik&fbclid=IwAR0D8DUhW_BpP4EzgbHDFBA6Ljraob2H8JRs_DeJNjAbMBd6S5y0OJEVtJs)
Wouldn't this be better located in the Tin Foil Hat thread?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Fall+of+the+Cabal&sxsrf=ALeKk00ujD3W6KrOFLz-vNW85hcJiu5KKw:1591087655738&ei=JxLWXrPNLI2S9QPD4p_YDw&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjz_Jq03-LpAhUNSX0KHUPxB_s4FBDy0wN6BAgLECw&biw=1920&bih=1057 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Fall+of+the+Cabal&sxsrf=ALeKk00ujD3W6KrOFLz-vNW85hcJiu5KKw:1591087655738&ei=JxLWXrPNLI2S9QPD4p_YDw&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjz_Jq03-LpAhUNSX0KHUPxB_s4FBDy0wN6BAgLECw&biw=1920&bih=1057)
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:dred11 :blk13 :Spyder
I bet people can guess if i have the app or not.
hint Ruben ++
its Government and a corrupt one at that,, I wont mention Dutton, I'll go for my corrupt fed mp Water, Grass, Gas gate Angarse taylor..
CONVICT19 is how I feel, forced incarceration.. And yes I have been swabbed and tested Neg, my GP today said I dont need to re test if I continue doing what I'm doing.
RELEASE ME.........
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I have a very old phone, no internet connection or blutooth. Damned if I am going to buy a new phone, just because the Gummint says I have to download an unwanted App.
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I got swabbed in the throat and nostrils the other day by the mobile testing bus
Results came back next day txt Not detected
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I got swabbed in the throat and nostrils the other day by the mobile testing bus
Results came back next day txt Not detected
Excellent
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Some more info.... Wot thuh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138)
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Fairly typical of the ABC - a no news story with a negative slant on the Government. It irritates me my taxes have to pay for this organisation.
It has an important role at times of emergencies, sadly the rest of the time it lacks balance and often attempts to create news rather than report news.
If a person doesn't like media like News or Sky etc they have the opportunity not to subscribe - this is not the case with the ABC.
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Guess it depends on your political leanings... :whistle
This may be of interest: https://www.smh.com.au/national/is-the-abc-really-biased-20180629-p4zoh5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/is-the-abc-really-biased-20180629-p4zoh5.html)
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Fairly typical of the ABC - a no news story with a negative slant on the Government. It irritates me my taxes have to pay for this organisation.
<hard hat on>
The ABC is a bunch of lefties. They can hardly be called impartial. And very often their article headlines are click-bait which bear little resemblance to the article content.
<remove hat and store for next time>
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I guess the Liberal/Coalition would much rather the ABC were a bunch of "Righties" hey??? :grin
At the end of the day I don't really care as long as they continue calling out dodgy stuff from either side of politics... :thumb
Oh, and I do believe the news the ABC spits out is more accurate than what the likes of Murdoch & Kerry Stokes etc feed us... :whistle
<dammit, I can't find my hard hat!> :||||
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:hijacked I suppose we should get back on topic before BIG BRO steps in... |-i
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Oh, and I do believe the news the ABC spits out is more accurate than what the likes of Murdoch & Kerry Stokes etc feed us... :whistle
<dammit, I can't find my hard hat!> :||||
I'm with you on that. Plus, half the stuff I see on the public broadcasters' 'news' looks more like 'infomercial' to me. I try to stay away from it.
Maybe you don't use your hat often enough :grin
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..... Oh, and I do believe the news the ABC spits out is more accurate than what the likes of Murdoch & Kerry Stokes etc feed us...
I don't know what to believe. This one is attibuted to Winston CHurchill ... There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion. https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_156898 (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_156898)
Probably says it all.
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I was going to wind up on the SMH, however, one of the really good things about Ozstoc is that the politics is kept to the barest minimum so I'm not going to get on my soap box, excepting under extreme provocation. Stay safe everyone and so far there have been no knocks at the door after midnight following the downloading of the Covid App.
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COVIDSafe app yet to identify close contacts of COVID-19 cases
It was supposed to be the key to ending lockdown, but two months after it was launched and COVIDSafe is yet to identify any unknown cases.
It was touted by Prime Minister Scott Morrison as the key out of lockdown.
But two months after COVIDSafe was first launched, it is yet to help detect any close contacts of confirmed coronavirus cases that were not found through contact tracing, Channel 9 reports.
Click link to read more: https://tinyurl.com/y9673oye
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There was a story saying it did identify someone in Victoria that the other tracing had missed. Also I think the 15 minute contact is far too long and of cause if people don't download well it won't work.
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There was a story saying it did identify someone in Victoria that the other tracing had missed.
That story was "updated" in one of those links that I'd posted previously... :law
In May, Victoria announced that one potential exposure had been picked up by the app that manual contact tracers did not locate, but further investigation later found the interaction did not meet the close contact criteria.
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An issue also may be that certain groups may not download the app, especially if they come from a background with an even greater distrust of the gubberment than some on here.
As seen on TV, so it must be so, there are some with no intent of complying with the requests to restrict their activities.
A comment made to me the other day was along the lines that many have complied with requests to limit ourselves as "it's the right thing to do for everyone else - it's what Australians do - look after their mates"
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There was a story saying it did identify someone in Victoria that the other tracing had missed.
That story was "updated" in one of those links that I'd posted previously... :law
In May, Victoria announced that one potential exposure had been picked up by the app that manual contact tracers did not locate, but further investigation later found the interaction did not meet the close contact criteria.
Better a false check than missing the real thing.
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I guess...but with this minimum 15 minute thing you do have to wonder how much of "the real thing" it could be missing... :think1
With the recent "spike" in cases in Victoria it will also be interesting to see what results the "App" throws up in future...
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I suspect there may be a "critical mass" component in relation to the success of the Covid App and thankfully Australia has been able to keep the infection rate suppressed which may mean the App didn't perform as well as expected. Good luck? No doubt. Good management? In the case of the health authorities - definitely., In the case of the pollies - that will depend on your personal leanings.
For my "No sh!t Sherlock" statement, the biggest threat to keeping the disease suppressed is complacency. Over the last couple of weeks here in SA I've noticed and commented on people forgetting about social distancing and other activities to protect against spread - we've been lucky here because there has been bugger all disease in the first place and our Chief Medical Officer is very, very good at her job. It won't take much for this to change and I suspect complacency is the reason Victoria is in the situation it is at the moment.
Complying with the recommendations is so important and the comment highlighted by Shillas: many have complied with requests to limit ourselves as "it's the right thing to do for everyone else - it's what Australians do - look after their mates" is just fantastic and I hope it continues.
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Over the last couple of weeks here in SA I've noticed and commented on people forgetting about social distancing and other activities to protect against spread
To be honest I thought our seating at Sevenhill was a lot closer than I had anticipated (no doubt influenced about how far apart our tables are in the various mess rooms at work). I didn't take any photos inside the venue for that reason.
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It won't take much for this to change and I suspect complacency is the reason Victoria is in the situation it is at the moment.
From what I experience every time I've gone shopping I'm actually surprised things aren't worse.
Luckily for us I don't believe there are any active cases in our area but that may very well change with the school holidays and the influx of visitors to the region that brings.
Have a read about these "numpties": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-melbourne-testing-blitz-underway-in-hotspot-suburbs/12393984 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronavirus-melbourne-testing-blitz-underway-in-hotspot-suburbs/12393984) :||||
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Over the last couple of weeks here in SA I've noticed and commented on people forgetting about social distancing and other activities to protect against spread
To be honest I thought our seating at Sevenhill was a lot closer than I had anticipated<
I felt the same with our Fish Creek RTE... >:()
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I went to lunch in Adelaide and by the time we were leaving people were packed in like sardines
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Had to fly Cloncurry-Mount Isa-Brisbane return this week..temp checks at each airport, announcements and signage about physical distancing everywhere and constant.....yet lets all fly together packed in like sardines in a tin tube with recirculated air...I agree we need to practice all we can to prevent the spread but it just is not practicable to retrain 4 generations and the app is after the event not a preventative measure
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Brookster, the air in an aircraft isnt 100% recirculated, its all replaced every 3 to 4 minutes and its all passed through Hepa filters before it gets back into the cabin. You are more likely to get a bug in a supermarket than an aircraft. Of course sitting next to a coughing sneezing monster aint good.
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It’s time to give COVIDSafe the flick
Millions of dollars down the drain for an app that barely works — COVIDSafe is a dud and the government needs to fix it or flick it.
LAURIE PATTON JUL 08, 2020
https://tinyurl.com/ycxs4f4y
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Melbourne man claims COVIDSafe tracking app failed to notify him about close contact with positive case
It was meant to be Australia’s ticket out of coronavirus danger. But a Melbourne man has exposed that the app does nothing to protect us.
https://tinyurl.com/y92y4tdm
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Maybe he was the only one who has it turned on.. o:) o:)
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Maybe he was the only one who has it turned on.. o:) o:)
That is right if the positive case didn't have turned on it certainly wouldn't have worked. As I said before the 15 minute time frame has always been a strange one. May be if everyone in Vic had it on Vic wouldn't be in such a mess :grin.
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Or maybe the system couldnt handle the numbers of positives.
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... or maybe it's just an over-rated dud App anyway..........
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... or maybe it's just an over-rated dud App anyway..........
Maybe but no point in trying to fix it if a large proportion of the population won't sign up.
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Aww, c'mon! Over 6 million downloads, and not a single report yet?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138)
If it worked, ScoMo would be all over the news channels patting himself on the back!
App is as useless, as a condom is to a duck! :grin
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Aww, c'mon! Over 6 million downloads, and not a single report yet?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-06-11/coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-covid-safe-no-close-contacts/12343138)
If it worked, ScoMo would be all over the news channels patting himself on the back!
App is as useless, as a condom is to a duck! :grin
As I said a large proportion of the population haven't downloaded it.
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A large proportion of the population do not HAVE smart phones.
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A large proportion of the population do not HAVE smart phones.
Interesting question. I had vaguely thought about the difference and surprise surprise, from our good friend Mr Google:-
17.9 million smartphones
When most people hear 'mobile', they tend to think of smartphones and feature phones. These devices are common - there are an estimated 17.9 million smartphones in Australia (Statista, 2019).
Mobile Nation 2019 - Deloitte
The next question is what is "large" I would think maybe 20%.
From our survey here 37% have not downloaded the app, and I don't remember any one quoting not have a smart phone.
If we can assume Mr Google is roughly correct, lets say 15 million smart phones in Australia and maybe some people have two we could then conservatively say 12 million people in Australia have a at least one smart phone then only 50% of the smart phone owners downloaded the app.
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I also suspect quite a few of those smart phones are reasonably old with an old operating system that's not capable of running the app...
Then you have to take into account the issues that plagued iPhones with this app...How many would have installed the app, had trouble so then uninstalled it? :fp
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(https://i.ibb.co/ZHqsMYt/cs.jpg)
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Details please. How many of those involved, particularly the carrier had a smart phone, bothered to download the app and had it enabled? Did the minimum 15 minute contact time hinder results?
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Coronavirus: Government's COVIDSafe app could have cost 'tens of millions' for zero tracing results :||||
https://tinyurl.com/y2eqxbut
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The App is only usefull, if a majority have it on their phones and carry them every where. If person 0 doesnt have the app, and neither do persons 1 - 10 then there is no way to find the origin.
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One of the app's big issues has been the 15 minutes people need to be close to each other for COVIDSafe to register a close contact.
That feature is now the subject of discussions by state governments to see if the Coalition can change that aspect of the program.
I figured that was going to be an issue from the start, so why has it taken these clowns so long to work it out??? :||||
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Tonights News on 7 has the figures for the 'success' of the CovidSafe app lemon.
In NSW, 6 instances of detection have been reported so far, and in Vic, none, zero, zilch!
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So, worth all those millions then... :crackup
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So, worth all those millions then... :crackup
And the help of all those people who didn't download it. :Stirpot
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COVIDSafe app detected just 17 contacts not found by manual tracers after $7 million spent on advertising
https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb (https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb)
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COVIDSafe app detected just 17 contacts not found by manual tracers after $7 million spent on advertising
https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb (https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb)
As it appears to be not working very well I am thinking about deleting the App. as is probably one of the reasons my phone is going flat quickly
There is only 20 OzSTOC members that have downloaded it :fp
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COVIDSafe app detected just 17 contacts not found by manual tracers after $7 million spent on advertising
https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb (https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-safe-app-millions-spent-on-advertising/fd3456ce-0954-4f6f-a364-6f1f7d9923cb)
It certainly hasn't appeared to work as expected but with so few signing up there was no point it spending more money to make it work just shutdown Victoria and let them and NSW develop their own system.
I am now for inserting a chip in everybodies arm :||||
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I recent times I have not seen any of our political or medical leaders reminding us to "Download the App" as part of the Covid-19 strategy. It was probably a good concept that has not proved to be as effective as anticipated.
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It certainly hasn't appeared to work as expected but with so few signing up there was no point it spending more money to make it work just shutdown Victoria and let them and NSW develop their own system.
I am now for inserting a chip in everybodies arm :||||
I think the uptake was fairly high even if it wasn't as high as they had hoped...over 7 million, I believe.
Unfortunately the federal government now refuses to release information on the number of Aussies still using the app, on the grounds it could risk public safety and harm commonwealth-state relations. :||||