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Title: corners
Post by: doggy & Nola on February 15, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
do you favour right or left-hand  corners?  and are you left or right handed ? :crazy
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Brock on February 15, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I'm right handed and dont favour either hand on corners. Not that I'm conscious of any way and thats what my chicken strips seem to say as well.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Biggles on February 15, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
Good question, often asked.
I'm a left hander, and have a preference for left hand corners.
Part of that is because an on-coming vehicle that runs wide should miss me, unlike one coming towards me on a right hander.
Also, if I run a little wide on a LH one, at least I'm still on the bitumen.

However, from the riding perspective, pushing down on the left just feels more in-control than if I give the right arm the job.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: doggy & Nola on February 15, 2013, 09:20:09 PM
 when i am going up hill right & left i think are the same .
but when going down   right is a lot more comfortable
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Brian on February 16, 2013, 06:47:26 AM
Left or right I love them both and as many as you like in concession .... My pillion in a million may have a slightly different point of view  >:()
Title: Re: corners
Post by: saaz on February 16, 2013, 08:30:44 AM
Left and right are all good.  I am right handed. As Biggles says, because we ride on the left hand side of the road, left hand corners seem safer to take as the risk of being over the center line is less.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: IanB on February 16, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
I'm right handed but prefer left corners.
think it's a survival thing. More road on the right when buckled over in a left hander and much closer kerb/armco/ stuff that will hurt on the right handers.
Chicken strips look the same on either side. Boots look the same.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Esstee 13 on February 16, 2013, 09:57:57 PM
I am right handed but just adore left hand corners. Much more confident than right hand corners for me.
 :rd13
Title: Re: corners
Post by: alans1100 on February 16, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
On my first CX500 (Turbo) it often seemed to fall into RH corners and yet LH were a little harder. I enquired about this and was told the engine/gearbox config was similar to a single engined plane and a little bit of torque steer might be the cause. Or may be it was just that bike as the CX I had before my 1100 never felt the same as the turbo version.

The 1100 seems a much more balanced bike and my tyre wear seems to show I corner evenly on both sides. I too am right handed and normally find LH turns a little easier. 
Title: Re: corners
Post by: ST.George on February 17, 2013, 07:43:48 AM
I'm right-handed and feel more in control around left-handers. Looked at my rear tyre wear a few weeks ago and saw clearly more wear on left side.

Seems harder to stay in the correct lane around right bends, very cautious with the lean because you are looking straight at oncoming traffic and the more you lean the closer it gets.

It must be very interesting riding for the first time in the US.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Wild Rose on February 17, 2013, 08:27:29 AM
I'm left handed but feel comfortable on either left or right turns.
You should wear out the right side of the tyre first because of the camber of the road

Leo
 :rd13
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Biggles on February 17, 2013, 12:24:22 PM
I'm left handed but feel comfortable on either left or right turns.
You should wear out the right side of the tyre first because of the camber of the road

Leo
 :rd13

Uh-oh.  That old furphy again.  It's been demonstrated the camber is far too small an angle to cause asymmetric wear.  You can search it in this Forum.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Skip on February 17, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
On the road at pace, I have no preference, but thinking back to the days in the dirt, I was much more confident in sliding the rear to the right, i.e. a left hand turn. I prefer a slow manoeuvre to the left rather than to the right on the STeed.  I guess it's like leaning the bike to the left to put it on the side stand. It would feel awkward leaning it to the right, apart from not having a side stand to catch it.  :fp I am right handed for what its worth.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: atoyot on February 17, 2013, 08:47:15 PM
I'm left handed but feel comfortable on either left or right turns.
You should wear out the right side of the tyre first because of the camber of the road

Leo
 :rd13

Uh-oh.  That old furphy again.  It's been demonstrated the camber is far too small an angle to cause asymmetric wear.  You can search it in this Forum.
But I wonder if it's enough of an angle to make left hand corners feel a bit more stable than off-camber right handers? Maybe stable is not the right word, but "better"?
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Biggles on February 17, 2013, 09:15:46 PM
There are a few steeply cambered mountain roads that make the corner feel better (or worse).  And there are even some that are "off-camber" that make corners feel deadly dangerous.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: hobs on February 18, 2013, 08:03:43 AM
I must be well balanced. I've stacked 2 bikes, one on my left side and one on my right side.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Brock on February 18, 2013, 08:29:36 AM
Hmm,

Hobs, I think you should maybe just have to go straight... o:) o:)
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Bluey on February 18, 2013, 11:48:09 AM
I'm left handed but feel comfortable on either left or right turns.
You should wear out the right side of the tyre first because of the camber of the road

Leo
 :rd13

Uh-oh.  That old furphy again.  It's been demonstrated the camber is far too small an angle to cause asymmetric wear.  You can search it in this Forum.

I believe that the right side of a rear tyre can wear out faster because, around town, we tend to take right-hand corners faster and under greater acceleration. Most left turns (say, at a T intersection) are tighter than right turns so we use less power and because we are slower, we tend to lean less. Turning right at the same T intersection would involve more power and a greater lean angle and this will produce more wear on the tyres, particularly the rear. For those whose riding is mostly open road stuff, this wouldn't be a problem.

This same logic can be applied to round-abouts - the larger radius of the r'about itself, compared with the radius of the left turn, encourages us to dial in more power, which results in more wear (and fun!).

I have seen many tyres that have worn more on the right and I am convinced this is a contributing cause. I would suspect that in countries where they drive on the "wrong" side of the road, the left side would wear more.

Just my thoughts.... I'm sure this has been covered many times.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Marcus on February 18, 2013, 12:38:54 PM
I prefer right handers.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Bluey on February 18, 2013, 01:21:56 PM
I like all corners, but do have a slight preference for left-handers. I'm right handed.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: ruSTyEB on February 18, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
I write, Right Handed
I Bat (Cricket etc) Left Handed

And I have no preference for left or right hand corners, like each as much as the other. 

I must be wired different :grin
Title: Re: corners
Post by: WendyL on February 18, 2013, 11:42:14 PM
I'm right handed and have never liked left handers. This dates back to the time my ex ( :cuss) was chasing a firebladevup through the Adelaide hills with me on the back of his fully loaded (for camping) FJ1200. He took a couple of left handers too fast and slid round on front wheel and side stand, sliding into the oncoming traffic, narrowly avoiding an oncoming car. Give me a nice right hand corner any day.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: StinkyPete on February 19, 2013, 08:21:38 AM
I'm right handed and prefer left hand corners.
I suspect there are two reasons.  The first is that the road camber favours left hand corners and gives a slight banking effect, and the second is that I am further from the edge of the road as I take the wide "road riding" line giving an improved margin for error in my line through the corner.

My tyre guy believes that the common increased wear on the right side of bike tyres is due to the road camber which loads the right side of the tyre a little more.
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Biggles on February 19, 2013, 09:05:12 AM
Since the furphy is persisting, I'll point youse to some helpful research.

Firstly, this simple fact puts one argument in a nutshell:
"There is typically more wear on the right side of the tyre because curves to the right are longer than curves to the left.....2x3.1416xradius."

and furthermore:

http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html (http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html)

It's American, so you have to swap right for left and vice versa.

Go grab a beer, because there are 7 scroll pages on that webpage.

Hope that helps!     :think1
Title: Re: corners
Post by: doggy & Nola on February 19, 2013, 06:37:21 PM
ok curves may be longer to the the right . but what if left are sharper ?
Title: Re: corners
Post by: Biggles on February 19, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
ok curves may be longer to the the right . but what if left are sharper ?


It's an average taken over the life of the tyres.  There will be sharper right ones as well, unless you're just riding around Oz clockwise.   :grin
Title: Re: corners
Post by: SToz on February 20, 2013, 07:41:22 AM
Right handed.....always prefer left hand corners.  :rockon

Right side tyre wear.....it's all about the roundabouts.....always to the right....never to the left (usually). :rofl :rofl :rofl