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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: IanB on February 16, 2013, 06:04:28 PM
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Diesel and a few others have the black patches on panniers which become awesome white tailbrights at night.
Somewhere on this world wide webby thingo I saw the same thing but they became yellow instead.
But can't find or remember where they was.
found a few places which had kits which did most of the bike but can't remember the addresses.
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Talk to Peter Blueheeler to see if he can source the black to yellow version. He supplied us with the black - white patches.
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Just on those pannier reflectors...
I know it has been touched on a bit in other threads, but, has anyone here been cautioned about the white reflectors at the back?
I haven't. I have had a cop behind me at night so it must have been right in their faces so to speak, but nothing came of it. I am really glad for the reflectors, but perhaps someone has come across a plod with the rulebook firmly memorised. More likely though the fellow simply saw the benefits of a well-lit bike.
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Well I think I finally came across a Plod with a mind of his own. I was pulled over the other evening by a cop in a tin can for the LED Light bars on the back being red, and when the indicators come on the bars flash red as well. I explained that I'd thought of that (thanks Tack and TJ) and that I had orange ones on their way from the States to fix the problem. He said OK but don't let me see you again until they are fitted, I said that depends on which road you are on, but in actual fact I don't go out at night much so I think the risk of seeing him again any time soon is low.
The reason I mention this is because I have a full set of Peter's reflectors on the back which show up dazzling white when hit by light and he didn't mention them at all. They must have been clearly visible to him as he was behind me for at least 2 or 3 kilometers, but nary a word was mentioned about them. So not only did he understand that I knew the problem and was in the process of fixing it, but he ignored the obvious in favour of having a well lit rear end.
Will wonders never cease??? :cop :cop
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Oh well, that sounds promising anyway! :) I would hate to have to give them up.
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I think (hope) that most police would see the reflector panels and say " Wow, I can see that bike " especially on dark bikes. its very hard to see them, and on a freeway their tail lights can get lost in the crowd, but if the rear explodes in to brilliant white folk will pay attention.
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I will argue that they reflect in a similar way to the number plate from behind, as well as large white highway signs and white reflectors on the side of the road, and I want/need as much visibility as poss at night.
Interesting about the red indicators too Whizz, as many classic Yank Tanks don't even have an amber lens... their brake lights (red) merely flash the red lens.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2gwdqc4.jpg)
See here.... (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?104142-are-red-indicator-lights-illegal-in-the-whole-of-Australia&s=585c13696162568b52a1969578fd5fb0) - but be warned - someone like Tack or DownUnder would be much better to listen too.
Cheers, Diesel
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In Oz it is illegal to have white light shining to rear of vehicle, I am not aware of anything regarding reflectors.
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The thing about yank cars is true, however it is covered by the wording of the Act which says that foreign imports can get away with it if they have exemptions because of their manufacture.
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I will argue that they reflect in a similar way to the number plate from behind, as well as large white highway signs and white reflectors on the side of the road, and I want/need as much visibility as poss at night.
Interesting about the red indicators too Whizz, as many classic Yank Tanks don't even have an amber lens... their brake lights (red) merely flash the red lens.
([url]http://i45.tinypic.com/2gwdqc4.jpg[/url])
See here.... ([url]http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?104142-are-red-indicator-lights-illegal-in-the-whole-of-Australia&s=585c13696162568b52a1969578fd5fb0[/url]) - but be warned - someone like Tack or DownUnder would be much better to listen too.
Cheers, Diesel
Some early Holdens had the same. FE and FC depending on spec . e.g. standard or special models
ADR's still allow pre-July 1973 vehicles to have red indicators as in the Mustang in your picture.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param192 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param192)
Rule 104, 3, B, ii
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In Oz it is illegal to have white light shining to rear of vehicle, I am not aware of anything regarding reflectors.
Reversing lights are an exception http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param186 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param186)
Reflectors generally Rule 108
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param192 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param192)
and for the rear Rule 109
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param201 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param201)
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This from alans1100 rules
Division 14 Reflectors generally
108 General requirements for reflectors
(1) A reflector fitted to a vehicle must show a red, yellow or white reflection of light when light is projected directly onto the reflector at night by a low-beam headlight that:
(a) is 45 metres from the reflector; and
(b) complies with the Vehicle Standards.
(2) The reflection must be clearly visible from the position of the headlight.
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It seems that 108 and 109 both do not prohibit the use of white reflectors once you have a red one, rather they mandate that you need a red one at a minimum. Once you have the red one, you are good.
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Scroll down the section 118, 3,b,ii.
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Scroll down the section 118, 3,b,ii.
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I missed that one......thanks
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Err, has anyone found the link to yellow reflectors yet.
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Err, has anyone found the link to yellow reflectors yet.
Just below rear reflectors.......depending on usage..........rules 110 to 113
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param202 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2006L00264/Html/Text#param202)
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It's illegal in NSW to have white rear reflectors or project white light to the rear of a motorcycle.
NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Reg 2007 124 (2)(b)(ii). Amended 2013 version.
Saying that, I have white reflectors on the panniers of my ST. I can't speak for all my colleagues but I don't think too many would bother enforcing this vehicle standard unless the amount of reflective tape was distracting or dazzling other motorists.
You've probably got a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being fined anyway.......famous last words! :grin
Cheers,
Tony
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It's illegal in NSW to have white rear reflectors or project white light to the rear of a motorcycle.
NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Reg 2007 124 (2)(b)(ii). Amended 2013 version.
Saying that, I have white reflectors on the panniers of my ST. I can't speak for all my colleagues but I don't think too many would bother enforcing this vehicle standard unless the amount of reflective tape was distracting or dazzling other motorists.
You've probably got a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being fined anyway.......famous last words! :grin
Cheers,
Tony
Funny isn't it. That flies in the face of what the Vic TAC is trying to do by bring in reflective safety gear.....
Speaking of bieng dazzled, there's a certain ute with illegal HID's that I'd like to see struck by lightning. See him every morning on the way to work as he's knocking off his shift at the mine. I wonder how I could reflect all that misdirected light back at him? :grin
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It's illegal in NSW to have white rear reflectors or project white light to the rear of a motorcycle.
Tony - do you think that this might have something to do with the fact that this can confuse motorists as to the direction of travel of said vehicle?
We are trained to think that red means it's travelling the same direction as you (i.e. tail lights) and white indicates something travelling towards you?
PS thanks for the clarification too.
Cheers, Diesel
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It's illegal in NSW to have white rear reflectors or project white light to the rear of a motorcycle.
Tony - do you think that this might have something to do with the fact that this can confuse motorists as to the direction of travel of said vehicle?
We are trained to think that red means it's travelling the same direction as you (i.e. tail lights) and white indicates something travelling towards you?
PS thanks for the clarification too.
Cheers, Diesel
I'd say that's the original logic behind it Diesel.
As others have mentioned, white reflective material is used so extensively now on safety garments, signs, advertising, even rear facing cross hatching on heavy vehicles etc that I don't think a small amount used on the rear of a motorcycle to increase visibility on the grounds of safety would be a huge drama in the scheme of things.
If you were fined and the matter was challenged in Court the case against you would be proven based clearly on what the regs say, but I don't think there'd be a Court in the land that would convict and fine you based on a "safety" arguement. That's just my opinion anyway mate.
Cheers,
Tony