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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: macdoc on March 31, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
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I seem to come across a single seat option that was perhaps available on the police ST.
My 1993 ST is rego'ed as single seat but has a sheepskin dual seat with a BeadRider and I'm pretty happy with it but wondered about the single seat if it had something different thanks.
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It sounds like it had a dodgy conversion. When I had my ex-Police ST1100 converted to a dual seat bike, they put a compliance plate on it and doubled the rego costs.
I wonder if there would be any repercussions regarding insurance if you had a bingle with a pillion on board? The main reason for the increase in rego cost is the extra premium for the CTP component.
Structurally there is no difference apart from the seat attachment whereby the release mechanism is moved off a flat steel plate and onto the bike's frame.
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Well I was surprised ( so was my mechanic )it was registered solo but still had the foam in the pillion and the rear pegs on.
But I'm not quite clear...
What I would actually like is the solo police seat ( I have no use for the sheepskin as I use the BeadRider ).
Is there some sort of storage under the cowl as well?
Anyone got a pic source/
I find the dual seat a bit awkward to remove as the top box tends to restrict it tho might just be me.
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Solo seat is what is used in SA for all bikes and I'm sure that's the same Aust. wide.......I think it's only Queensland that uses the term "Solo" to mean one rider and one seat.
Where was the bike first registered?
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Firstly check the frame under the seat to see if there is a modification plate (usual spot for the ST) if not have a good look on the rest of frame. This plate should read LK7.
From there I recommend either get the rego put back to dual seat, this will require the bike to be inspected and plated, you will need to take the paperwork to the transport department and fill in some forms, or.. spend the bucks and buy the single seat and cowl and change it to single seat (saves approx $170p/a in CTP in Qld) you'll also need to remove the rear pegs.
If you are pulled up and they see it is single seat registered you will get a ticket and may have to front court. If you have a pillion and have an accident you will be wiped and probably charged with being unregistered as you have no CTP (compulsory third party insurance) to cover a pillion.
I've single seated a few bikes and if you don't intend to take a pillion the saving in CTP is well worth it.
From what I can recall..to be single seated the total seat length must not exceed 500mm, it must have no rear passenger pegs, if the mounts for the rear pegs are htreaded the thread must be removed, this doesn't apply to the ST as they are pins not threaded.
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That's what I thought but the mechanic who does the conversions didn't seem to think it was an issue. :think1
On my KLR it was just a matter of removing some foam and the rear pegs.
I can likely take the pegs off myself - have to look tomorrow....I hate to cut the seat as someone may want the seat with the lambswool cover.
I'd prefer the single seat ( this was never a police bike so this all should be a stock 1993 ST ).
Also I have no interest in putting a passenger on nor is the likely passenger interested ( she wants her own off road small bike something like a TW200 )
I'd just like to see a picture of the single seat with the cowl.
What I'd really like is a backrest set up ala my Russell Daylong on the Burgman at home in a single seat set up.
I really like the high backrest - I put 1" risers on the ST and think a backrest might work - have to play with knapsack and see.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff220/wingnutttt/GEDC0506.jpg)
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My Goldie
http://m93.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/Bikebear/IMGP2417.jpg.html?o=14 (http://m93.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/Bikebear/IMGP2417.jpg.html?o=14)
Your mechanic i s wrong.. it could be an issue that will cost you if you keep it dual seated on single seat rego.
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I had this problem with the K11 beemer. It was first registered as a single seater by the qld police farce.
I bought it from NSW & it arrived with a dual seat.Upon reregistering it i found out it was ex-pleece & had to get a mod plate. Qld is the only state or territory to differentiate between solo & dual - rego costs are charged accordingly. Up here in the dark ages some things don't change.Why ?
In the words of Sir Joh - your so smart , answer your own question !
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Well that's why I'm here....I want to change the seat to a single and would like a photo. Whether the mechanic is wrong or not is immaterial.
I'd like a photo is a single seat or a single seat ST around the same age.
I'll remove the rear set tomorrow - nattering on about the mechanic being wrong and the ticket risks isn't getting me the info I need to correct it.
I assume there are riders out there with exPolice ST1100s with single seat pans that might want to swap for a factory dual seat with a lambskin or sell the single seat with the cowling if they already switched it.
I'd like to visually see the difference and see what the cowling has to offer in looks of storage before I get the razor knife out and cut a chunk of foam out of the existing seat to meet the requirements. I already have one converted bike so I'm quite aware of the situation and I do not intend to switch the rego to dual on the ST1100.
I have no idea what the previous owner did but I'm getting the bike sorted now which is what prompted the request for information about single seats and cowlings.
Okay found the image I needed
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjgyWDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqF,!oEFCutlTIv9BQwkvkj1,!~~48_79.JPG) can I assume this will still work with the factory top case and I guess I need a red one which may not be possible.
Razor blade looking better.
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You might need some of these parts
http://www.st-1100.com/st1100-parts-fiche-seat-st1100pp.html (http://www.st-1100.com/st1100-parts-fiche-seat-st1100pp.html)
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Thanks but not going to do any major conversion - if it's not simple swap I'll just cut the foam out and restretch the lambskin - ( it has shrunk away from the foam anyway so will look better.
Has anyone put a better back rest on the ST or is the seating too far towards the sports end t be practical.?
THe cowling actually looks like it provides a back rest.
Does anyone know if the seat is any different profile, width etc than the dual pan??
(http://www.st-1100.com/images/st1100p.jpg)(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjgyWDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqF,!oEFCutlTIv9BQwkvkj1,!~~48_79.JPG)
I suppose if I could find one cheap I could get a reasonable colour match from a spray paint house.
Hmmm - Corbin has a modular seat out
http://www.corbin.com/honda/st11smug.shtml (http://www.corbin.com/honda/st11smug.shtml)
(http://www.corbin.com/honda/hst11f_6t.jpg)
$289 .....that's not bad for the front solo seat. Wonder how that all works.
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A quick suggestion would be to cut the foam down and bolt a small plastic box to the back of the seat and stretch the cover around it so you have single seat and a storage box. Add backrest pad and all done.
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Macdoc,
This is a very simple conversion to complete for the Police Mod.
I actually have the bracket, cowl and seat sitting in my carport, but my 12 yo won't let me convert to single seat because that means he doesn't get a ride. He has his own FarRider Number so this should indicate his love for the rear seat. All you need to do is using the bracket supplied move your seat lock into the correct position and bolt on the cowling to take up the space of the rear portion of the seat.
The rear cowl on the Police ST1100 (& 1300) was used for radio storage, and other electronics control location. I have seen quite a few successful conversions to a hinged lock box (eg below), which was my plans, but as I won't be using this anymore it sits in the carport gathering dust. I have a Corbin seat, so another seat doesn't really interest me, but if you're interested it saves me putting it on eBay.
http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125996-Rear-cowl-storage-on-ST1100 (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125996-Rear-cowl-storage-on-ST1100)
If you are intending on doing many more miles on your ST, the extra storage would be handy, and the conversion is pretty easy to do.
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Ah brilliant and you are in QLD - I'm leaving for home in Canada in 3 weeks so we'd need to complete it asap.
Email me with your asking price macdoc@macdoc.com and maybe we can come to a quick agreement. I'm in Cairns.
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:wht11 py
here is a pic of my seat (zoom in for better view )
and some of my duct tail conversion pics.. it is done this way as I have a top box
Tipsy
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa333/Semperin/20112012061.jpg)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa333/Semperin/DuckTail3.jpg)
(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa333/Semperin/Ducktail6.jpg)
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Nice...I wondered about it fitting with the stock 25 litre top box.
Does the cowl come off first then the seat pan??
Is that a backrest ?? as that's what I'd love on mine.
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Is there a story behind your screen name?? :D
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:wht11 py
I added the backrest to the seat before it was covered and it only goes as high as the cowl.
to completely remove the cowl the seat and topbox are removed first.
if backrest is to high then I have problem getting on and off the bike,
hang on I have that problem anyway. :grin :grin
Tipsy
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I am looking for a little assistance as I don't have much money to spend on my ST1100, I reside in QLD where cycles can be registered as a single seat after compliance plate approved, does any body know where I might purchase a second hand single seat and rear cowling at a reasonable outlay, slight damage will not be a problem as I may be able to repair and restore with some effort to bring parts back into serice