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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Diesel on September 19, 2013, 04:15:57 PM
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Like our Victorian counterparts, seems like Qld Police have had enough and are becoming stricter on speeders who are 'just over the limit'.
Here is a copy of an email outlining the new directive:
Lower tolerances in speeding crackdown (http://qld.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bc40de864c611dd173a42d2ea&id=fdf7cf25fe&e=f8a8fccffb)
Following the launch of Operation Lima Spring Break the second stage of a speeding enforcement campaign is set to begin and recent statistics suggest that a greater number of Queensland motorists have been detected speeding.
Road Policing Command Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said that following the Commissioners announcement in June that tolerances would be lowered, the second stage of the reducing the tolerances is about to commence and police will continue to monitor compliance with speed limits and the impact on road safety.
“Our message today is drive to the posted speed limits; that is the maximum speed permitted to be travelled on the road at that time,” Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said.
“As at midnight last night, the Queensland road toll was 201. This is six more road deaths than at the same date in 2012 and 27 more than at the same date in 2010. This is not acceptable.”
“At the end of July 2013, the number of speed camera detections increased by 2% when compared with the corresponding period 2012. At the end of August 2013, the number of speed camera detections increased by 23% when compared with the corresponding period in 2012.”
“This increase is attributed to the increase in speed camera operations and the reduction in the enforcement tolerance level. In addition, since July 2013, police commenced operating an additional five combined red light with speed cameras across Queensland and the number of mobile speed camera hours increased by 28% for the month of August 2013 when compared to 2012,” Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said.
Commissioner Ian Stewart said that it was disappointing to see an increase in detections and he urged all motorists to drive at a speed no greater than the posted speed limit.
“Speeding kills and we will continue to enforce the speed limit in an effort to make our roads safer for all. We need to take a stand as the road toll is unacceptably high and we want everyone to take personal responsibility everyday, to reduce the road toll” Commissioner Stewart said.
Speed Camera Statistics demonstrating an improved compliance:
Speed Cameras (not including red light cameras or portable devices)
In the 2010/2011 financial year – 208 vehicles monitored per speed offence
In the 2012/13 financial year – 315 vehicles monitored per speed offence
Mobile speed cameras only (not including portable or fixed)Offences per 1,000 vehicles:
• 2011/2012 – 9.16
• 2012/13 – 8.69
Fixed Speed Cameras (Analogue Fixed Speed, All Digital Fixed Speed, Combined Digital Speed/Red Light Cameras & the Digital Average Speed Camera System)
Offences per 1,000 vehicles:
• 2011/12 – 1.78
• 2012/13 – 1.17
... might pay to set the cruise control a couple of clicks lower fellow STeed pilots! :law
Cheers, Diesel
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Where all the 'stick to the speed limit' and 'speed kills' crap falls down is that people are just driving to the posted limit and not using their eyes or brain to drive to the conditions, believing that because the sign says 100Kph that they can do 100Kph in any conditions and if they have a prang its 'not their fault because the sign said so'.
:bl11
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How can they justify lowering the speed limit tolerance when their own statistics show people are being MORE COMPLIANT!!??
And will dropping the 5 clicks we used to do over the limit make a scrap of difference in the road toll?? No!
More speed cameras to try and make up for the decrease per thousand that are being caught. Simple as that!
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The stupidity of this is Standards Australia for motor vehicle speedo error is + or - 10%, non of these idiots want to take that into account, only use it for revenue.
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I stopped at the speed trap at the lakes last weekend on way home asked if I could test my speedo. Was spot on 80 at the point he said he would test. He said maybe doing 81. My boulevard reads 7km higher and so does wife's CBR with digital speedo. She thought I was speeding as when I was doing 90 she was doing 97 by her bike.. Interesting for long weekend coming up with double demerits.
Sent from somewhere using something on my phone :-)
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no comment :cuss :cuss revenue :spank :spank :fp +- 10% BS
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Hi All, I don't know if anyone knows but apparently the speed limit for Brisbane CBD is a maximum of 40KPH.
Don't ask how I know, but I do!!!!
Can't have my :EatCake o:)
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Keeping in mind that a number of our club work for the police force in various states, just be mindful they are doing their job...
from someone who has had speeding tickets in various states over the years, i have never been cranky getting a ticket, if you are speeding and breaking the law, well then it is your own fault...i have taken it on the chin and paid the fine.
yes technology is getting better and the tolerance is coming down, so we need to keep that and mine and do the same and we might just have to bring the speed down.
We would all love a higher speed limit, but what we have is what we have......
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And the good part is, for speeds up to 13 kph over the limit, you only lose one point in Qld, so you can pay the fine 12 times in 3 years without losing your licence and they can milk quite a tidy sum out of you. While the tolerance was 4 or 5 kays, the Gummint was missing out on all that revenue. The Pollies are driven around in tax-payer's cars most of the time, so don't have to worry about fines.
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What is the tolerance that one is allowed now?
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It's 3km tolerance in Vic so heads up for the rally in Vic
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It boggles me how we have a tolerance in manufacturers for speedos of +/- 10% and yet only a 3 kph tolerance on tickets.
In my experience most vehicles over indicate speed so you are actually going slower but still the tolerance is there both ways .... :well
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It just means more time taken up continually checking our speedo's to ensure that we're not a couple of clicks over the limit, than watching the road ahead, and where we should be going! I don't knock the police who have to enforce the road rules, but I certainly knock the rule makers. I wonder just how many drivers/riders travelling just a couple of clicks over the limit have been responsible for fatal accidents, I'm more inclined to believe it's the dipsticks that we often see on the roads who just shouldn't be driving/riding! Of course there are exceptions to every rule!! :grin
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It boggles me how we have a tolerance in manufacturers for speedos of +/- 10% and yet only a 3 kph tolerance on tickets.
In my experience most vehicles over indicate speed so you are actually going slower but still the tolerance is there both ways .... :well
That tolerance only applies to older vehicles. Since July 2006 no vehicle should be going faster than the speed indicated but owners of older locally built vehicles might or should have some lee way due to ADR requirement of the day.
It seems that the new tolerance the police seem to be enforcing is the +/- speed accuracy of the radar unit etc.
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/speedo_accuracy (http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/speedo_accuracy)
From 1 July 2006 newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule.
This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo.
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I am not someone who thinks that laws were only made for other people, but I think that 'when it comes to speeding fines' that they need to remember that we are adults and we deserve at least some amount of tolerance. There are a hella-va-lot of more things that are dangerous when riding than doing (up to) 10% over the limit and it's more important for safety to be an aware and skilled rider than watching your speedo all the time trying to make sure that you don't do 101k's instead of 100k's. As we are all aware it is different doing 100k's on a wet road compared to a dry road, or a dry back road with gravel on a bend!
I find it hard to keep exact track of my speed on the bike compared to my diesel Land Cruiser. The big brother' control thing just goes too far nowadays.
It's not my intention to ride 110k's in a 100 k limit, but to make sure that I don't go over the 100k's on my bike then I would need to ride in the lower 90k's.. and that causes other safety issues with car and truck drivers that insist on sticking close to the limit (and often close to my tail.. and that's much more tiring for me as well as dangerous).
I would go and fight for the safety of Police that are there to protect us, but enforcing no tolerance when it comes to speed limits won't have my support.
When it comes to safety I believe that doing 105 in a 100 zone on occasion will have very little if any positive (or negative) impact on safety.
Will it have any effect on the road toll.. I highly doubt it EXCEPT for the fact that it may make people keep more of a lookout for Police on the road and effect their driving behaviour that way.
My criticism is for the big wigs and govt that come up with these ideas, not the realistic members of the Police force that are out to do a decent job.
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Very good comments people...
Another possible outcome could be that many motorists would drive at 95 km/h so as to not risk a fleeting downhill moment into the 100's!
This would prove very frustrating to all involved.
This scenario highlights what has been said about looking at your speedo more often, as it would seem we have a 1-2km/h window to operate in and maintain our vehicle's velocity.
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Hi All, I don't know if anyone knows but apparently the speed limit for Brisbane CBD is a maximum of 40KPH.
Don't ask how I know, but I do!!!!
Can't have my :EatCake o:)
Yes ...... Brisbane CBD is 40 kph XCPT Anne Street which is one way ....WEST Bound .... 60 kph ......as stated - the rest is 40 clicks
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The announcement of speed tolerance decrease is already evident ..... as a Professional Driver {READ BUS & COACH) I see it every day since the BBBIIIIIGGGG announcement ... TIN TOPS are travelling 3-8 kph SLOWER -inbound and outbound of the CBD - they are totally scared of big brother ........WTF
I RIDE
:dred11
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:well I'm stuffed then.
Either I ride at a speed which varies between 5 km/hr below the posted limit to 10 km/hr above the posted limit or they do me for riding without due care and attention because I'm looking at my F*#+ing speedo all the time!
And I'd rather be looking out for potential SMIDSYs, broken road surface and kids or animals running out from the side of the road.
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When asked after being stopped, if you know why you were stopped, the answer (politely ) is No.
"Do you know what speed you were doing??".. No, I was on the look at cars trying to kill me, not the speedo..
o:) o:) o:)
All said in a polite friendly way, not in a smart ass tone..
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Unfortunately cameras don't ask these questions.. :-( ... A person normally understands if you say it right and treat then with due respect.. Cameras on the other hand cannot be reasoned with...
Sent from somewhere using something on my phone :-)
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Might be interesting to see how many Accidents are put down to inattention when the inattention is caused by the constant need to take your eye's off the road to concentrate on the speedo.I my opinion speed does not kill ,poor driving/riding skills,road conditions kill not speed (drive to the conditions always),other wise all of us travelling faster than our natural walking pace would all be dead.
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We need to remember that lower speed limits/tolerances are not the brainchild of the Police or road safety experts.
It's proven that drivers that speed are not overly represented in fatal or injury accidents.
It's simply about revenue or otherwise the fines and points loss would be increased to the point that nobody at all would infringe upon the rules. The Police and the cameras simply enforce the rules. It all filters down from above (the government).
Like it or not now it simply comes down to don't speed or be prepared for what happens.
Brad
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I'd be embarrassed to be a Copper handing out fines for 2 to 5 kays over the limit.
Ultimately, as a few of us have said, it's the politicians who decide the laws and penalties. So it's up to all the Voters to tell them to take a cold shower and wake up to the real world. And we citizens of the Real World are not happy. That translates into "You will not get voted back into your comfy cushioned Parliament chair with your car allowance, travel allowance, electoral allowance, stationery allowance, entertainment allowance and allowance allowance".
Simple as that!
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Should not post here ,as iv'e just been pinged by plod.hiding in the bushes this side of a 60km sign guess what i accelerated a little too early.how is this saving the world ?frustrated!
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Should not post here ,as iv'e just been pinged by plod.hiding in the bushes this side of a 60km sign guess what i accelerated a little too early.how is this saving the world ?frustrated!
That's the sort of entrapment that gets the Police a bad name. He might have been told by his superiors he had to man that location, and then it's his superiors' fault for the choice.
But I agree entirely- that kind of legalism does not save lives- it just makes us cynical about the whole concept of speed control.
We have the same situation a block from where I sit. The road opens up from 60 to 70 kph , and the radar/ lidar pointers stand behind a brick wall and ping drivers who speed up to 70 twenty metres before the sign. Sure, it's illegal. But what terrible situation is being prevented by ensuring everyone holds their 60 until abeam the sign?
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Should not post here ,as iv'e just been pinged by plod.hiding in the bushes this side of a 60km sign guess what i accelerated a little too early.how is this saving the world ?frustrated!
That's the sort of entrapment that gets the Police a bad name. He might have been told by his superiors he had to man that location, and then it's his superiors' fault for the choice.
But I agree entirely- that kind of legalism does not save lives- it just makes us cynical about the whole concept of speed control.
We have the same situation a block from where I sit. The road opens up from 60 to 70 kph , and the radar/ lidar pointers stand behind a brick wall and ping drivers who speed up to 70 twenty metres before the sign. Sure, it's illegal. But what terrible situation is being prevented by ensuring everyone holds their 60 until abeam the sign?
Biggles that's it in a nut shell!
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I was caught like that once also while in the cage.........bugger! :||||
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Yep.. saw them out on the weekend on a downhill corner that had an overtaking lane on it.. sitting at the bottom (60k zone) with one of the new hand-held camera's... only overtaking lane for quite some distance as well. I'd guess 99% of people were over the limit as they went past.. I was warned thankfully and was under the limit..
I don't mind getting pulled over if speeding, but this hiding in the bushes on a downhill with a camera should not be allowed... (Not to mention, in the last 10 years of driving the same road, i've never seen an accident in that area...)
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More entrapment, pure and simple!
And, as you indicate, NOT an accident "hotspot". More proof it's about "Catch the punters" than about road safety.
This business of policing overtaking lanes would be a goldmine, and it's often exploited. If you pass cars at the speed limit, you might get one car past the caravan. But he'll have three or more piled up behind him cursing him- and planning their road rage revenge for the first hazardous overtaking opportunity when they will definitely be a danger to everyone.
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Iv'e always thought that twin overtaking lanes should be 90km on the left 110km on the right to clear the back log ,i don't even mind if they hammer someone staying in the fast lane after overtaking.i think everyone has followed that car who travels at 80km to 95km only to find they can make 98km in the overtaking lanes.
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The messages about "Speed Kills" don't have much of an impact, as it usually doesn't!
Stupid riding/driving will kill at almost any speed and it would be interesting to see what percentage of the road deaths occur at/below the posted speed limits. It would also be interesting to know how many low speed multi-vehicle collisions go unreported, due to the reporting guidelines.
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from someone who has had speeding tickets in various states over the years, i have never been cranky getting a ticket, if you are speeding and breaking the law, well then it is your own fault...i have taken it on the chin and paid the fine.
I agree, theres no point giving the :cop a hard time, cop it sweet. or hope ya sweet talk,, :)
I try staying at posted speed round Ctown and Sydney but out on the road somewhere .. giddy up :dred11 havent had many fines/demerits maybe 4 in 20 yrs.
I get breathalized regulary in my car,, just the area Minto in my car but dont drink, so its no bother really just doing thier :law job...
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Couple of weekends ago I rode from Mackay to Rockhampton. the middle third between Clearview and Marlborough is 110 km/hr, either side is 100 km/hr. The Rocky Police target drivers/riders south of Marlborough, and I myself was caught 14 km/hr over the limit (couple of hundred dollars and 3 points, Bugger!!!)
However I found that 110 km/hr portion of the ride was the most comfortable and safest of the whole trip. 115 was about my natural speed and I found I didn't have to keep looking down at my speedo and easing off 5 to 10 km/hr. That meant I was able to concentrate on the road condition, other vehicles on the road and keep an eye out for wildlife with a suicidal tendency.
I believe that the 110 km/hr section was the safest section of the ride and wonder why the sections either side of it are restricted to 100 km/hr. I spoke to a professional truck driver and he reckons it's fatigue and inattention that are the killers on the Rocky to Mackay stretch.
:wht11
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I've noticed a trend to keep lowering the speed limit as the road deteriorates rather than fix the wear and tear.
What happened to the RACQ poll on drivers voting to raise speed limits in some areas?
Having come from the NT (when it had an open speed limit) I know the joy of not having to constantly look at the speedo.
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It is becoming more and more clear to me that speed limits, and giving drivers (and riders) speeding tickets for doing a hairs-breadth above them is becoming far more a dollar-making process than a driver safety process. I feel extremely sorry for our club members who wear the uniform, and who sometimes appear to be either held responsible for, or are required to justify, the simple dollar-collection methodology created by senior cops/local politicians who seem to think this is what pays their salaries.
Simple question, if a senior cop/politician REALLY wants to stop accidents cause by speed, why not simply arrest every speeding driver, jail him/her and destroy his/her car/bike straight away, no second chances. You could guarantee that NO driver would break the limit if they knew that they had only a single chance and would lose their driving licenses, their car or bike and their freedom if they got caught speeding! But no, this doesn't happen because this would stop the regular income which comes in from all the speeders who get knicked.
What does this tell you about the current "Law"; in my opinion it is simply a cash-making process for the authorities!!! Come on authorities, either make, and enforce, Laws that actually work, or admit that you are far more interested in the money it makes you. I also realise that this makes me sound extremely sarcastic and cynical, but honestly the cops should enforce Laws that prevent crime, not utilize Laws that make money without actually stopping the crime.
Nasty old me, eh!
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I received this from a mate just a week ago,and thought it was a put-up job, but had it verified yesterday:
"The Police should be done for negligent driving here!! it is unsafe and ludicrous to think that these are 'approved' tactics!
The Victorian Police and now changing motor vehicles and moving away from the Commodores and Falcons. There are now undercover BMW X5's, Commodore SS Utes with P'plates and Surf Stickers on the back; they even got caught with a Commodore SS Ute with a "My Family" sticker and an "L" plate on the back of the car!
They was busted by a citizen who took a picture of this and sent it to A Current Affair whereby the Police Chief responded with "This is not an approved method by Victoria Police and we would not do such a thing. This was clearly a practical joke on the car of the two Police officers".
BULLSHIT!! The same car has been seen a couple of times since!
In Victoria, the "tricks" used by the Police to trap motorcyclists, raise revenue in Non "Blackspots" and make this nickname of "Nanny State" stick!
They hide radars in Trees in the Yarra Ranges and have the police wear camouflage and whilst using a radar on the only over-taking lane in the ranges which is downhill. So naturally when you have a slow car for the previous 10kms, you would want to overtake. Bastards!
There are now also place DB meters on their cars and are targeting motorcyclists. If your bike is louder than 5DB over the factory measure, you will get a warning and have 30 days to report to the EPA and have this fixed back to factory and a fee of $1000!! Note the horns on motorcycles are ridiculous and fail to negate any danger, whereby the rev of your exhaust lets cars/trucks/buses know that you are there.
My exhaust has saved my life more than a handful of times! There have even been write up's from "DRIVERS" apologising and stating that if it was not for the exhaust, they could have killed someone.
Anyhow, my rant is over. I just hope that the other states are not as ridiculous as this state is turning out to be!! You can't fart in public without getting a ticket!"
Apparently old utes left parked on the sides of roads (and even wheelie bins) with speed cameras inside, is another ruse they're using.
My source told me that recently 3 abandoned utes mysteriously caught fire in the same area.
I can only assume the states are all strapped for cash.
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guys I am not comfortable where we are heading with this thread, it is all getting a little to pointed towards our local boys in blue who go to work every day.
We have a good number of members who wear the uniform and do as they are told, we are not doing much good by throwing mud in their general direction, regardless of their rank.
Just remember they get out of bed and go to work just the same as the rest of us......
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Yes STreak, and some of them unfortunately don't come home. :'(
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Yes STreak, and some of them unfortunately don't come home. :'(
Yes, and if you have an off, it'll be the Police who are first on the scene and who stabilise you until the ambulance arrives.
And if you don't make it, then it'll be the Police who have to tell your partner, your kids, or your Mum and Dad that you won't be coming home.
They have a prick of a job, and I could never have done it. Even if I'm getting a ticket, I'll always be polite and respectful because they will be there for us when we need them.