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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: PaulH on October 08, 2013, 09:15:15 AM
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This was printed in the paper this morning;
"The Queensland government is considering draft laws that will help put an end to "annual bikie runs" as part of a crackdown on outlaw motorcycle gangs."
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP)
This will legally put an end to every single weekend ride that the QLD part our club does, and completely end things like the charity runs carried out every year!!! Are these people totally insane or do they think they rule the World???
They want to make all bike rides of more than three people illegal, and then assume the power to allow some rides proceed but only with their permission, so all it really does is to give them complete control of everything and anything we do...welcome to the Gestapo!!!
And before anyone asks...Yes I am furious!!!
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I think we'll be fine
“Other law abiding motorbike riders have nothing to worry about," he said.
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“Our tough laws will stop criminal motorcycle gangs from using their numbers to strike fear in the community, while allowing Queensland's innocent riders to enjoy riding freely and safely.”
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Mate, you live in Victoria!!
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So Queensland's off the possible National Rally list then?????? :cuss
It would be interesting to read the finer print of the proposal.
They should just make it for Harley's only, just bike type specific. :rofl
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Mate, you live in Victoria!!
Haha yeah... :nahnah
Being serious though. They are talking about the 1% ers only as stated in the article. Everyone else will be ok
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I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, Whizz.
The problem they have is defining the target. We know who they want off the roads. They know who they want to inhibit. From the Policeman's perspective, the two type of "rides" are easily distinguished.
We passed two very large groups of "outlaw" bikers yesterday in the Gold Coast hinterlands. I reckon they were out in a show of strength just to show everyone they can. What our Government is trying to do is curtail the bikies' power in the community. Inevitably the wrong people will seem to be included in the target group. I applaud the Government's taking on the outlaw bikie groups because they are just that- people who want the freedom to run illegal "businesses" and who use force and intimidation to get what they want. The individuals depend entirely on their membership to give themselves the illusion of strength and authenticity.
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Winston66.
That was good Biggles.
I have one question though.
Is it likely that our Politicians will use and apply these same laws, to ensure 100 percent transparency, and honesty in the conducting of their official and elected status?
You will understand where I am coming from.
Cheers winston66
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Yep, I get your drift, Winston.
I agree the law is a blunt instrument. They will need to define it carefully.
One possible definition might limit numbers. The outlaws seem to love turning out in large numbers. Yesterday each group would have been around thirty to fifty bikes. I suspect they were the same mob, attempting to moderate their profile by running the two groups about 5 km apart.
From my experience, a group larger than 20 is undesirable logistically when it's formed for a recreational ride. So if the outlaws want to run larger groups then they could be policed on that criterion.
I'd be interested to hear other criteria (as, no doubt, would the Government).
:popcorn
There are obvious silly ones- HDs, loud pipes, bandanas, black helmets, ape-hanger bars, rough chicks. :crackup
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The article seams reasonable clear whom they wish to target and not target......not to much for social bike clubs to be concerned about :grin Don't see the Wall to Wall having the axe fall upon its worthy cause :thumbsup
:beer
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problem is were to stop or define the thin line. after us motor cyclist WHO is next. this government is out to control us with no recourse or the need to explain. as for other states YOUR NEXT
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Well said my friend, I concur! :grin
I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, Whizz.
The problem they have is defining the target. We know who they want off the roads. They know who they want to inhibit. From the Policeman's perspective, the two type of "rides" are easily distinguished.
We passed two very large groups of "outlaw" bikers yesterday in the Gold Coast hinterlands. I reckon they were out in a show of strength just to show everyone they can. What our Government is trying to do is curtail the bikies' power in the community. Inevitably the wrong people will seem to be included in the target group. I applaud the Government's taking on the outlaw bikie groups because they are just that- people who want the freedom to run illegal "businesses" and who use force and intimidation to get what they want. The individuals depend entirely on their membership to give themselves the illusion of strength and authenticity.
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My major concern in this is not what is happening now, it is obvious that the Police want to give themselves a big stick to smack anyone they hear about...i.e. the 1%ers riding Harley's and being objectionable heavy's. My major concern is that in 10 years time, when the bikey thugs have become a fading memory, the law will STILL be there, and still under the control of the Police who can then change its use to any other set of excuses they like. Lets face it there are still laws on the books which control how much a convict will be fed every week, how many times a week he may be whipped, and how long he will stay a convict before he can become a citizen. Laws don't expire, they outlast the forgotten reasons for which they were originally created, but they are not removed, and you can almost guarantee that someone in the not too distant future is going to try to come up with a reason for having this Law, simply because the regulation is already there, so lets justify it. Everyone (except the Harley hones) thinks that right now this is a good design for a new Law, but does it really have any justifiable reasoning other than to make the Police and some Politicians 'big stick' far less hassle for them to employ.
Scary scary stuff in my opinion. Please don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no sympathy for 1%ers riding Harley's, and I don't disagree with knicking them and making their lives a misery. I am just very worried and generally p'ssed off about the creation of a new Law which cannot be undone when it has done its design purpose and it is no longer required, but which is general enough to be reshaped and then re-aimed at anything that upsets the people with the power!!
If you don't agree with me then fine, it is highly unlikely that I will be around when this tool is reused as they want it to be, just be warned it won't be pretty!!!
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I find it all weird. Ride in a group of 3 and it's OK. 4 and 'No go". It's the activity of these individuals that either is or isn't illegal and not how many in a group. If there is evidence of criminal activity, isn't that enough to make arrests. I'm sure most criminal activity within outlaw bikie gangs happens privately and not whilst riding in large groups. If they are transferring contraband whilst riding in these large groups, then they will simply continue to carry it in groups of 3. Stupidity personified.
Just my 'sheltered' world view.
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Sort of reminds me of a law the Russ Hinze brought in, " Any more than 3 people meting on a street corner, was to be considered as an illegal assembly". :eek
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what happens if one group randomly stop in the same place as another group. do they have to stand on opposite sides of the carpark?
It's stupid and they will only target the patched groups
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Most of us if not all of us (OzSTOC) dress quite differently to "Criminal Motorbike Gang" who usually display their "Colours" while riding, so there shouldn't be any mix up surely.
However, what puzzles me is that the Qld Police already have the power to pull over any Driver/Rider under the act, so why does this need to be enacted into law? That's my question.
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The only trouble is Marcus, that there's quite a few clubs/groups out there that are patched but not criminal motorbike gangs, groups such as the Southern Cross, the Vietnam Vets (which I think is now for any returned service person) the "patriots" again a current and ex service persons group. I'm sure there are many others as well. They believe they will be targeted due to the way they ride and dress.
what happens if one group randomly stop in the same place as another group. do they have to stand on opposite sides of the carpark?
It's stupid and they will only target the patched groups
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That's it, I'm over it, break out the foil hats. :grin
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat)
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ (http://zapatopi.net/afdb/)
(http://pmpaspeakingofprecision.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/aluminum-foil-hat.jpg)
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Is that you without full beard
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No!!!!!!!
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This was printed in the paper this morning;
"The Queensland government is considering draft laws that will help put an end to "annual bikie runs" as part of a crackdown on outlaw motorcycle gangs."
Read more: [url]http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP[/url] ([url]http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP[/url])
This will legally put an end to every single weekend ride that the QLD part our club does, and completely end things like the charity runs carried out every year!!! Are these people totally insane or do they think they rule the World???
They want to make all bike rides of more than three people illegal, and then assume the power to allow some rides proceed but only with their permission, so all it really does is to give them complete control of everything and anything we do...welcome to the Gestapo!!!
And before anyone asks...Yes I am furious!!!
and i'm fast
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Sorry I could see the resemblance
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Me too.........I think it's the scary eyes. :eek
Sorry I could see the resemblance
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Is it the Queensland police or government or are they worried that they may need these laws to lock people up during the g20 next year ? Just thinking out loud .
Gary
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Smart 1/ could go to ground then raise hell in cairns during g20 would make government look foolish on international stage who knows why any government bring out sus new laws ?
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I believe that we can put our foil hats and fears about gestapo states away. Our various State legislators are striving to find ways to control/disrupt the unlawful activities of a total of just 2,500 - 3,000 OMG members Australia wide, while allowing law abiding citizens and riders to go about their business uneffected.
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I believe that we can put our foil hats and fears about gestapo states away. Our various State legislators are striving to find ways to control/disrupt the unlawful activities of a total of just 2,500 - 3,000 OMG members Australia wide, while allowing law abiding citizens and riders to go about their business uneffected.
Nailed it Pete....... :thumbsup
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It's not going to be illegal to ride in larger groups if the law is gazetted. The aim is to give police the right to stop and question.
to a certain extent it might be a furphy anyway. The UCM the umbrella group for the baddies will have this into the discrimination tribunals quick smart and they'll be claiming to represent all motorcycle riders
They did it to get previous laws quashed in SA and another state. Big winners in this will be the lawyers. If Campbell the cut lunch commando wants to run it the UCM will be shouting for an appearance in the High Court.
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You ciuld sign this Petition it may help
Premier Campbell Newman and Attorney-General and Minister for Justice Jarrod Bleijie: Refrain from enacting any legislation that discriminates against motorcyclists. - Sign the Petition!
Please join this campaign: http://chn.ge/GQVmzz (http://chn.ge/GQVmzz)
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I think the petition, and others like it, are good and necessary.
However, they might have chosen a picture that didn't show riders taking over the road en masse, and riding on the wrong side.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/Pixtor/Bikinggroup-wrongsideofroad_zps63024686.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Pixtor/media/Bikinggroup-wrongsideofroad_zps63024686.jpg.html)
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Hey guys remember a man call Joh. He banned people walking in small groups down the street unless you had permission. you had to have permission to do any sort of walk in groups at all even chrches were affected but was rarely enforced. I think the Qld boys of our group will be fine but you will possibly need police permission to hold an event thats all. Perhaps the symbol we wear could be confused as a motorcycle club patch
:think1
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Perhaps the symbol we wear could be confused as a motorcycle club patch
Maybe but I don't consider our logo to be anywhere close to a patch. And they day it does...will be the day I leave
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i agree but i meant to say confused by others at any rate just the usual throw baby out with bath water approach by the powers that be
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Perhaps the symbol we wear could be confused as a motorcycle club patch
:think1
Impossible. Firstly it has to be worn on the back. Secondly it would have to be much larger.
And pre-eminently, it would have to be accompanied by the appropriate rockers and MC designation.
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Perhaps the symbol we wear could be confused as a motorcycle club patch
Maybe but I don't consider our logo to be anywhere close to a patch. And they day it does...will be the day I leave
Agreed....
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These guys are next on the hit list
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/greeneyedmonster1/postie.jpg) (http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/greeneyedmonster1/media/postie.jpg.html)
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I nearly fell over laughing when I saw this, no infringements in the post.
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:rofl :rofl
These guys are next on the hit list
([url]http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/greeneyedmonster1/postie.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1119.photobucket.com/user/greeneyedmonster1/media/postie.jpg.html[/url])
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hahaha well played
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Hey streak can that wonderful lady who operates that 4headed politicion put our logos large enough to cover the back of the vest and the jacket.
I would proud to where it when ever I ride.
When I am in next we can measure up as I have know idea what size IN am.
Might fit into that old jacket of yours yet.
Tipsy
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I'm hoping someone will post some pictures of outlaw motorcycle gang members so my colleagues and I will know what to look for! :grin
Seriously! :o
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([url]http://www.blueknightsaustralia2.org/uploads/1/6/5/7/16570892/7851890_orig.jpg[/url])
Yes 'patches' are worn...but not compulsory...
and this illustrates well what I meant regarding "patched clubs". There are no rockers and no "MC"
If you're unaware, "rockers" are the titles above and below the patch designating the club name and location, and the "MC" is for motorcycle club, and is at the bottom right of the jacket.
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From what I have read the Qld govt is targeting 'outlawed' motorcycle gangs, aren't they?
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Unless you're involved in some illegal activity, CHILL.
You will not be arrested for simply riding a motorcycle, even if there are 4 of you riding together.
I think the whole 'law' thing is stupid, but I don't EVER expect to be detained on suspicion of being part of an outlaw motorcycle gang. EVER.
I've been stopped before for a rego & licence check. Didn't bother me in the slightest. They are only doing their job.
If you are stopped for a check, thank them for doing a great job.
Cheers.
Skip.
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The legislation has an appendix that lists the organisations that are defined as criminal motorcycle clubs. Groups such as Blue/ Red/Orange Knights, Southern Cross Association, Ulysses Club etc. are not in that list so they are not being targetted.
However, if the police see something that appears to have a bill, waddles and sounds like it's quacking they will be taking a closer look to see if it is a duck. :law I don't pretend to be a duck and don't fly around with ducks so I'm not that worried. 8)
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Winston66,
Wonders,
Is there a recognized definition that can define in some non ambiguous and clear way as to how the authority can discern and clearly decide as to what criteria to use when they are deciding as to what constitutes in their opinion is an Outlaw Motorcycle Gang , or organization?
Or is it all in the name?
If there is such a proper concept, I for one would be interested to see it and then I could rest assured that the Authority is only concerned in following well constructed and justifiable concepts as they go about their unenviable jobs.
I personally feel quite relieved in that I am not involved in either side of the equation.
Cheers,
winston66